Grimm news for the Cards

[ASUCHRIS]

. Maybe, Whiz who knows a few things about coaching believes he's the best man for the job.

Or maybe, just possibly, he can be wrong about Grimm's ability as a coordinator. He's certainly proven to be wrong on coordinators before, and isn't infallible. Your deference to Whiz on this one is puzzling.

Disappointing for you, I'm sure, but maybe that's the answer.

What's disappointing for me is that by any measure, we've had one of the worst offensive lines since he's been here, and there has been little to no improvement from any of the players.

In fact his hand groomed LT, who we wasted a top 10 pick on, has consistently graded out as one of the worst at his position year in and out. Along the rest of the line, it ain't much better.

I'm glad you're so comfortable with Grimm being extended, perhaps you can enlighten me as to why you're happy that he's been retained?

 

[40yearfan]

Funny? He should have been fired on the spot. Here he is, in the most important game of his coaching career, his team is losing at halftime, and instead of focusing on in game adjustments and prepping the line for the 2nd half, he's out there listening to an over the hill band? It's literally the most outrageous coaching move I've ever heard.

Grimm must have naked pics of Whiz and Michael Bidwill, because he's been an abject failure since he's been here.

Good Lord. I hope they weren't naked together.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Good Lord. I hope they weren't naked together.

Dressed up as Nazis. Terrible I tells ya.

 

[Renz]

whiz ass is on the line not grimm so it is what it is.

Beyond that, we havent drafted OL in like 3 years. I dont put it ALL on Grimm.

The gameplan is built all week, im not sure the OL coach gets to say much @ halftime.

I agree. We need better players more than a new coach, IMO.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Or maybe, just possibly, he can be wrong about Grimm's ability as a coordinator. He's certainly proven to be wrong on coordinators before, and isn't infallible. Your deference to Whiz on this one is puzzling.




What's disappointing for me is that by any measure, we've had one of the worst offensive lines since he's been here, and there has been little to no improvement from any of the players.

In fact his hand groomed LT, who we wasted a top 10 pick on, has consistently graded out as one of the worst at his position year in and out. Along the rest of the line, it ain't much better.

I'm glad you're so comfortable with Grimm being extended, perhaps you can enlighten me as to why you're happy that he's been retained?

It's not about being happy or unhappy. I defer to Whiz simply because he's in a better position to make the call. I don't think any sense of loyalty extends to a 2-year contract for $3M to a guy he doesn't believe can do the job.

 

[BigRedRage]

Or maybe, just possibly, he can be wrong about Grimm's ability as a coordinator. He's certainly proven to be wrong on coordinators before, and isn't infallible. Your deference to Whiz on this one is puzzling.




What's disappointing for me is that by any measure, we've had one of the worst offensive lines since he's been here, and there has been little to no improvement from any of the players.

In fact his hand groomed LT, who we wasted a top 10 pick on, has consistently graded out as one of the worst at his position year in and out. Along the rest of the line, it ain't much better.

I'm glad you're so comfortable with Grimm being extended, perhaps you can enlighten me as to why you're happy that he's been retained?

Maybe he realizes complaining doesnt get anywhere so doesnt get worked up about it.

 

[Mulli]

Maybe he realizes complaining doesnt get anywhere so doesnt get worked up about it.

Yep.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

It's not about being happy or unhappy. I defer to Whiz simply because he's in a better position to make the call.

Interesting logic, then I suppose there is no point in discussing anything regarding anyone in a position of power. They are in a better position to make decisions, and really make a message board discussion totally worthless.

I don't think any sense of loyalty extends to a 2-year contract for $3M to a guy he doesn't believe can do the job.

It's not a matter of what he "believes" people can do, rather what they actually end up doing. I'm sure before Grimm came on board, he "believed" he would be a good coach. By any measure, he hasn't been.

Just like he "believed" Joey Porter could do the job, among countless other failures.

 

[Capital Card]

I think we're going to see an OL heavy draft and free agency period this year. While I think it's fair to say we've waited too long to address our OL shortcomings, I think there are somewhat justifyable reasons for the delay.....

1. Levi didn't pan out. We knew he was a second tier OL when we took him, but I think he's underperformed everyones expectations.

2. As our offense developed with Warner, Kurt was very good about reading the blitz and getting the ball out early. As a result, less than average players, such as Levi, Gandy and Wells, proved to be adequate.

3. Once Warner retired, we no longer had a QB who could get the ball out quickly. I'd actually say that all of our QB's since Kurt have held onto the ball too long, inviting more sacks than we should have allowed.

4. It wasn't until midway though this season that we actually started to change our blocking schemes, leaving TE's and RB's back to help block. Without checking, I think our sacks allowed over our last 8 games have dropped vs. the previous 24.

Where the fault lies... probably with several coaches/evaluators. As top dogs, both Whiz and Grimm should take a lot of the criticism; but, I think we'll see a much more concerned effort into upgrading the players on the OL than we've seen in the past.

I don't think the Grimm/Springsteen issue is a big deal. Half-time at the SB is significantly longer than any other game of the season. The coaches are trying to keep their routines as close to a normal game as possible. It's not like he skipped half-time with the team. I'm pretty sure they went though their normal half-time tasks.

Go Cards!!!

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Maybe he realizes complaining doesnt get anywhere so doesnt get worked up about it.

Thank you for telling me how I feel, you'd get a great gauge of that on a message board. I really don't care, I'd prefer the Cardinals to improve, and I don't think they improve by retaining Grimm. Pure and simple.

By your logic, why care about anything that you don't have direct control over?

 

[MadCardDisease]

I actually think that our Run Blocking hasn't looked better in years. It's the pass blocking that is the problem. I give Grimm some credit for finally getting a running game up and running. When was the last time we had a starting RB average over 4 yards per carry and break the 1000 yard rushing mark?

 

[BigRedRage]

Thank you for telling me how I feel, you'd get a great gauge of that on a message board. I really don't care, I'd prefer the Cardinals to improve, and I don't think they improve by retaining Grimm. Pure and simple.

By your logic, why care about anything that you don't have direct control over?

I was actually talking about how he feels not you.

The Grimm horse has been beaten for years. im bored of it. Whiz thinks we are dead wrong, it is what it is. Talking about this further is like speculating on manning. You can care all you want for Grimm, I was just stating my opinion on not caring about the grimm issue.

PS: for the most part I try not to care too much about what I cant fix myself as it is wasted emotion. Along with that, its not like we can go protest it like SOPA.

 

[Mulli]

Thank you for telling me how I feel, you'd get a great gauge of that on a message board. I really don't care, I'd prefer the Cardinals to improve, and I don't think they improve by retaining Grimm. Pure and simple.

By your logic, why care about anything that you don't have direct control over?

Good question. Do you have an answer?

 

[NJCardFan]

Wow I think we gave up the most sacks in the league this last year (or damn close) and probably the year before that as well. I know the O-line looked a little better when Haley was here, I think he accounted for what the O-line could and couldn't accomplish on certain plays and was probably in Grimm's ear a lot.

Once again Grimm fails miserably at his job, yet the job offers rumors floated around again with no real interest, not with recent Cardinal game film being so easily obtainable. Haley coming in would be the only reason I could see Whiz being cool with this...but I'm just a self proclaimed sexpert so my thoughts probably aren't worth reading anyway.

We weren't sacked as often with Haley due to Warner's ability to get rid of the ball.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Interesting logic, then I suppose there is no point in discussing anything regarding anyone in a position of power. They are in a better position to make decisions, and really make a message board discussion totally worthless.

Not totally worthless. It has it's entertainment value like most uniformed opinion.

It's not a matter of what he "believes" people can do, rather what they actually end up doing. I'm sure before Grimm came on board, he "believed" he would be a good coach. By any measure, he hasn't been.

[B]Good that you know "all of the measures", I don't, but suspect that Whiz does and evidently you and he are not using the same measuring stick.

Just like he "believed" Joey Porter could do the job, among countless other failures.

Oh, I'm sure that they aren't countless. Maybe in the trillions, but still a number can reached.

Bump******

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Good question. Do you have an answer?

Yes. When the Cardinals are good, and win games, it makes Sundays more enjoyable, and makes it more likely that I'll have a fun game to look forward to every week. Further, it's more fun for the community and family and friends I know that support the team, so there is a point to having an opinion on something I don't have control over. Just like having an opinion on political matters or really anything else that may affect me without me having any control over them.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Bump******

I get it, Whiz is the authority on everything, and anyone questioning any of his decisions is wrong. You could have just saved us both time and said that in the beginning. Anyone who disagrees with anything he does is clearly uninformed.

 

[Duckjake]

I get it, Whiz is the authority on everything, and anyone questioning any of his decisions is wrong. You could have just saved us both time and said that in the beginning. Anyone who disagrees with anything he does is clearly uninformed.

I'm with you Chris. I don't understand why someone who has no interest in anything but making disparaging remarks about other people's posts bothers with a board like this. If you think only the coaches and front office personnel have the correct opinions why bother responding to any posts here at all? Just come and read the board for any news. The ignore function is great. Unfortunately there is no ignore function for other posters quoting the people on ignore.

And of course the coaches are all rocket scientists and know more about football than any other humans. That's why so many of them are getting fired this week and no former Arizona Cardinal Head Coach has ever gone on to success elsewhere in the NFL.

People need to realize that most coaches get their jobs because of who they know not what they know.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I get it, Whiz is the authority on everything, and anyone questioning any of his decisions is wrong. You could have just saved us both time and said that in the beginning. Anyone who disagrees with anything he does is clearly uninformed.

You miss my point.

You're entitled to your opinion, and the right to disagree with decisions made, but I suggest the humility of at least accepting that you are not in possession of all the facts.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I'm with you Chris. I don't understand why someone who has no interest in anything but making disparaging remarks about other people's posts bothers with a board like this. If you think only the coaches and front office personnel have the correct opinions why bother responding to any posts here at all? Just come and read the board for any news. The ignore function is great. Unfortunately there is no ignore function for other posters quoting the people on ignore.

And of course the coaches are all rocket scientists and know more about football than any other humans. That's why so many of them are getting fired this week and no former Arizona Cardinal Head Coach has ever gone on to success elsewhere in the NFL.

People need to realize that most coaches get their jobs because of who they know not what they know.

You "disagree" - I 'disparage' - Got it!

Feel free to use that "ignore" button

 

[ASUCHRIS]

As usual you miss the point.

Not at all, I just think your point is ridiculous. Correct my if I'm wrong, but your point is that Whiz has more knowledge than anyone else on the subject, and everyone else is "uninformed". I don't know what else could be gleaned from your comments in the thread, pray tell?

You're entitled to your opinion, and the right to disagree with decisions made, but I suggest the humility of at least accepting that you are not in possession of all the facts.

Now you're a mind reader, amaze me every day CC! This may blow your mind, but I realize I'm not privy to behind the scenes conversations with Grimm, nor am I at every practice watching them execute the x's and o's. So I'm well aware that I don't have an intimate look at the work of Russ Grimm.

That being said, I don't think you'll find anyone that would argue that the Cards o-line has been one of the worst under Grimm, and that they've rarely shown any improvement. I can argue this both from a first hand perspective, (watching every game) and based on the film study done by many others including prominent football writers. He may be doing a hell of a job in the locker room, he may be a wizard at training camp, but the results on the field from his unit have been sub standard at best, and arguably one of the worst.

While you may view my opinion as "uninformed", at least I have the guts to back it up with reasons and logic. Your only position is an appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. Hard to have a discussion with someone who says nothing other than "the coaches are right and shouldn't be questioned". Feel free to add to your point if you'd like.

 

[Duckjake]

While you may view my opinion as "uninformed", at least I have the guts to back it up with reasons and logic. Your only position is an appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. Hard to have a discussion with someone who says nothing other than "the coaches are right and shouldn't be questioned". Feel free to add to your point if you'd like.

Again I'm on your side on this. That is the lamest response you can have on a message board like this. It's something you see all the time though.

Let's look at something more worthwhile than worrying about the self righteous.

Grimm and CKW. How many remember Denny Green's loyalty to Richard Soloman? I've read several items about how Denny's relationship with Soloman hurt Denny's position as HC in Minnesota. Yet Green brought Soloman with him to Arizona. Soloman, called by one writer the worst assistant coach in NFL history, is now a coach at Mesa Community College.

Coaches at every level make mistakes when it comes to assistants. To think that never happens is incredibly naive.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Not at all, I just think your point is ridiculous. Correct my if I'm wrong, but your point is that Whiz has more knowledge than anyone else on the subject, and everyone else is "uninformed". I don't know what else could be gleaned from your comments in the thread, pray tell?



Now you're a mind reader, amaze me every day CC! This may blow your mind, but I realize I'm not privy to behind the scenes conversations with Grimm, nor am I at every practice watching them execute the x's and o's. So I'm well aware that I don't have an intimate look at the work of Russ Grimm.

That being said, I don't think you'll find anyone that would argue that the Cards o-line has been one of the worst under Grimm, and that they've rarely shown any improvement. I can argue this both from a first hand perspective, (watching every game) and based on the film study done by many others including prominent football writers. He may be doing a hell of a job in the locker room, he may be a wizard at training camp, but the results on the field from his unit have been sub standard at best, and arguably one of the worst.

While you may view my opinion as "uninformed", at least I have the guts to back it up with reasons and logic. Your only position is an appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. Hard to have a discussion with someone who says nothing other than "the coaches are right and shouldn't be questioned". Feel free to add to your point if you'd like.

Don't see much need to froth at the mouth over this.

Whiz believes based on a more intimate knowledge of the subject that Grimm can do the job, and the notoriously cheap (according to many) Bidwill's have agreed to pay $3M to keep him over the next two years. Linear logic and end of story.

The proof of a pudding is in the eating. We'll know over the next few years whether Whiz's confidence and the Bidwill money was well invested.

 

[Phrazbit]

Don't see much need to froth at the mouth over this.

Whiz believes based on a more intimate knowledge of the subject that Grimm can do the job, and the notoriously cheap (according to many) Bidwill's have agreed to pay $3M to keep him over the next two years. Linear logic and end of story.

A Grimm post...

Just because a guy got a wad of cash (even from our relatively frugal ownership) does not mean it is deserving.

You'd have a point if this team had a track record of proving their fans doubts wrong, but sadly they do a large amount of the opposite.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

A Grimm post...

Just because a guy got a wad of cash (even from our relatively frugal ownership) does not mean it is deserving.

You'd have a point if this team had a track record of proving their fans doubts wrong, but sadly they do a large amount of the opposite.

.... or that it isn't. Time will tell.