Grimm news for the Cards

[Duckjake]

A Grimm post...

Just because a guy got a wad of cash (even from our relatively frugal ownership) does not mean it is deserving.

You'd have a point if this team had a track record of proving their fans doubts wrong, but sadly they do a large amount of the opposite.

More linear logic? Based on a more intimate, informed knowledge that he could do the job the Cardinals drafted Matt Leinart with the 10th pick in the 2006 draft. The cheap, according to many, Bidwills paid Leinart $14 million in guaranteed money.

Last season Leinart led the Cardinals to....oh wait never mind.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

More linear logic? Based on a more intimate, informed knowledge that he could do the job the Cardinals drafted Matt Leinart with the 10th pick in the 2006 draft. The cheap, according to many, Bidwills paid Leinart $14 million in guaranteed money.

Last season Leinart led the Cardinals to....oh wait never mind.

Yeah, I'm sure you were the first to pan the selection of Heisman Trophy winner and national champion.

 

[Duckjake]

Wait there's more.

Based on a more intimate knowledge that he could do the job the notoriously cheap, as claimed by many, Bidwills hired Buddy Ryan to replace Joe Bugel as head coach of the Cardinals.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Wait there's more.

Based on a more intimate knowledge that he could do the job the notoriously cheap, as claimed by many, Bidwills hired Buddy Ryan to replace Joe Bugel as head coach of the Cardinals.

.... and the day Buddy arrived you said: "We have a loser in town".

 

[Cheesebeef]

The proof of a pudding is in the eating. We'll know over the next few years whether Whiz's confidence and the Bidwill money was well invested.

haven't we already been been eating the Grimm pudding for 5 years already?

 

[Cheesebeef]

.... or that it isn't. Time will tell.

again... hasn't time told already? it's been five years.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

again... hasn't time told already? it's been five years.

ADJUSTED SACK RATE:

2007: 4.7 (ranked 9th)
2008: 4.4 (ranked 8th)
2009: 5.2 (ranked 7th)
2010: 8.4 (ranked 27th)
2011: 9.1 (ranked 27th)

I can think, as you, of a few reasons for the dramatic jump in the last two years and don't think Grimm's coaching tops the list.

1. QB play
2. Levi at LT, rather than right
3. Keith and his nagging injuries at RT.

The line needs to be adjusted and we need an influx of talent.

 

[Cheesebeef]

ADJUSTED SACK RATE:

2007: 4.7 (ranked 9th)
2008: 4.4 (ranked 8th)
2009: 5.2 (ranked 7th)
2010: 8.4 (ranked 27th)
2011: 9.1 (ranked 27th)

I can think, as you, of a few reasons for the dramatic jump in the last two years and don't think Grimm's coaching tops the list.

1. QB play
2. Levi at LT, rather than right
3. Keith and his nagging injuries at RT.

The line needs to be adjusted and we need an influx of talent.

yeah, but... don't you think problems 2 and 3 were issues that Grimm had a lot of impact on as far as moving Levi to LT and him being horrendous and making Wiz believe that Keith was the answer at RT?

and as to numero uno, sure QB play makes a big difference, but Warner had a lightning fast release which I'm sure you would agree probably made the line look a little better than the stats above indicate.

 

[Stout]

I've personally seen enough of Grimm, as I've said. He's had plenty of say in which O-linemen we've brought in, as has been well documented. Keith was supposedly a first round talent, and he clearly is not. Levi Brown was supposedly better than Joe Thomas, and Grimm is to be completely ridiculed for that hideous opinion. Our blocking schemes often make no sense, and the coaching staff routinely insists that it isn't the players' faults, as their grossly missed assignments are said to be assigned by the scheme. And if it was only one player, or two, maybe I could buy that it is just on the player, but it is missed assignments all across the board. Simply put, I have seen ample evidence that Grimm has not been doing a good job. The proof of the pudding IS in the eating, and the pudding tastes AWFUL.

 

[Phrazbit]

haven't we already been been eating the Grimm pudding for 5 years already?

You think we could have RUSSelled up something better than this Grimm fare...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

You think we could have RUSSelled up something better than this Grimm fare...

Clever...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

yeah, but... don't you think problems 2 and 3 were issues that Grimm had a lot of impact on as far as moving Levi to LT and him being horrendous and making Wiz believe that Keith was the answer at RT?

and as to numero uno, sure QB play makes a big difference, but Warner had a lightning fast release which I'm sure you would agree probably made the line look a little better than the stats above indicate.

Of course Russ was key to the decision to move Levi to LT, etc. But, frankly, what did he have to work with? Levi, Keith, a career backup and a UDFA.

It's been some time since we've drafted O-lineman in the first three rounds and we've paid a price.

Grimm's contract had expired. Whiz didn't have to fire him, he could simply let him go and find a new job. That he re-hired him for not one but two years and convinced management to pay Russ $3M over that period speaks to a level of understanding of all circumstances and confidence that Grimm is part of the solution, not the problem.

Left to be seen....

 

[JeffGollin]

Be Careful What We Wish For

Count me in as a fan who believes in overpaying to saturate the offensive line to build a deep, dominant fail-safe powerhouse. (Everything else good can flow from there).

But remember that a 53-man roster is nothing more than a humongous "cats cradle" (i.e. you pull one thread and another thread is shortened).

LT's and other offensive line talent doesn't grow on trees. Each time you use a high pick to draft a promising lineman, it means one less draft pick to draft a Fitz, Beanie, D Wash PP21 or Calais.

Nevertheless, I'd be willing for us to make a couple of sacrifices if it meant guaranteeing our offensive line play would be rock-solid. But I'd be willing to bet that there would be a similar number of howls from fans complaining about "anemic running", "thin receiving corps" or "lack of impact on defense."

There is, of course, a way around that conundrum; namely a lot of skill (and considerable good luck) on the part of the personnel dept. to identify, attract and develop enough so-called "diamonds in the rough."

But when it comes down to crunch time (i.e. the period between the beginning of free agency and draft day), I get the feeling that sometimes our personnel dept. is inclined to "blink" and fall back on safer strategies and other priorities .

 

[Stout]

Of course Russ was key to the decision to move Levi to LT, etc. But, frankly, what did he have to work with? Levi, Keith, a career backup and a UDFA.

It's been some time since we've drafted O-lineman in the first three rounds and we've paid a price.

Grimm's contract had expired. Whiz didn't have to fire him, he could simply let him go and find a new job. That he re-hired him for not one but two years and convinced management to pay Russ $3M over that period speaks to a level of understanding of all circumstances and confidence that Grimm is part of the solution, not the problem.

Left to be seen....

Guys that Grimm was instrumental in acquiring, and who he talked up a great deal. That's on his head.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Guys that Grimm was instrumental in acquiring, and who he talked up a great deal. That's on his head.

.... and he didn't lose his head over it...

 

[Cheesebeef]

.... and he didn't lose his head over it...

no, but our QBs did.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I've personally seen enough of Grimm, as I've said. He's had plenty of say in which O-linemen we've brought in, as has been well documented. Keith was supposedly a first round talent, and he clearly is not. Levi Brown was supposedly better than Joe Thomas, and Grimm is to be completely ridiculed for that hideous opinion. Our blocking schemes often make no sense, and the coaching staff routinely insists that it isn't the players' faults, as their grossly missed assignments are said to be assigned by the scheme. And if it was only one player, or two, maybe I could buy that it is just on the player, but it is missed assignments all across the board. Simply put, I have seen ample evidence that Grimm has not been doing a good job. The proof of the pudding IS in the eating, and the pudding tastes AWFUL.

Well said.

 

[CardLogic]

Grimm and CKW. How many remember Denny Green's loyalty to Richard Soloman? I've read several items about how Denny's relationship with Soloman hurt Denny's position as HC in Minnesota. Yet Green brought Soloman with him to Arizona. Soloman, called by one writer the worst assistant coach in NFL history, is now a coach at Mesa Community College.

Coaches at every level make mistakes when it comes to assistants. To think that never happens is incredibly naive.

There is one significant difference in the two situations. I've heard several pundits, and former coaches themselves, label Russ Grimm as a very good to excellent coach. Whereas, that was never said by anyone, other than maybe DG about Soloman.

So who really knows?

What we all know and can agree upon is that it is imperative that the Cardinals OL improve!