Haren traded to Angels

[Gee!]

We went from 2 aces to 1 ace to no aces.. Ha Ha.. Uggghhhhh.. I feel sick.. Im figuring Webb never is his old self if he stays here..

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Reportedly, the PTBNL is either Tyler Skaggs or Trevor Reckling.

Upon seeing this, the deal looks a little better, and more easy to stomach. As is, it looked like pure **** in a hat.

 

[BC867]

I wonder if Dan is going to DH for the Angels once in awhile. It gives them an extra bat as well as quality starter.

I wonder if that was discussed during the trade negotiations.

 

[Lefty]

Dan Haren is a good pitcher but I don't think he is a #1 pitcher. His numbers have not been outstanding and he is a better first-half pitcher. I hope it is Skaggs as the player to be named player.

The Diamondbacks not only got four players, they saved a lot of money that I hope they use in the offseason to get help in the bullpen.

 

[az jam]

Angels package Saunders for Haren

By Mark Saxon
ESPNLosAngeles.com
The Los Angeles Angels acquired Dan Haren from the Arizona Diamondbacks for pitcher Joe Saunders on Sunday.

The Diamondbacks also received two minor league pitchers, left hander Patrick Corbin and right hander Rafael Rodriguez, and a player to be named.

A three-time All-Star, Haren has averaged 15 wins over the past five seasons and is 7-8 with a 4.60 ERA in 21 starts this year. He was tied for the NL lead with 141 strikeouts through Saturday's games.

Saunders was 6-10 with a 4.62 ERA in 20 starts for the Angels. Rodriguez appeared in one game this season, allowing a run and a hit in two innings.

Corbin, a 21-year-old left-hander, has spent the season in the lower levels of Los Angeles' system.

The Angels are six games back of the AL West-leading Texas Rangers.

 

[az jam]

Terrible trade for the DBacks, they gave away their ace for crap.

 

[Lefty]

For me I would think the Angels need hitting more than pitching.

 

[green machine]

For everyone complaining that the Dbacks moved their ace, Haren was anything but this year. He may have been their best pitcher, but that doesn't mean he was good.

Fact is this year he was mediocre, at best.

 

[binkar]

I hope it is Skaggs and not Reckling. They compared Reckling to Doug Davis and I immediately vomited.

 

[Lefty]

Looks like it is Skaggs. Good deal by the Diamondbacks.
http://twitter.com/nickpiecoro

 

[overseascardfan]

I hope it is Skaggs and not Reckling. They compared Reckling to Doug Davis and I immediately vomited.

As of right now on everyone's list of Angels top prospects Reckling is ranked higher than Skaggs.

For everyone that thinks this trade was crap, you are part right. I personally think we should have kept Haren but management was at the point of no return. Everyone including Haren knew he was gone, it wasn't like ARZ wasn't going to trade him and only privately gauged teams interest, these rumors were very public.

Two reasons I am happy with this trade:

1. We finally get some lefties in our current rotation (Saunders) and farm system (all three prospects coming are LHP's).

2. Haren isn't going to the Yankees. They got arrogant and thought the would sucker us into taking a couple of scrubby minor leaguers for Haren, well suck on that.

This season is lost anyway, nice to see Haren get a shot with a contender, the guy was classy throughout this whole process, genuine nice guy. Next year's rotation could actually be quite nice:

1. Jarrod Parker
2. Edwin Jackson
3. Ian Kennedy
4. Joe Saunders
5. Barry Enright or Reckling

 

[Tyler]

As of right now on everyone's list of Angels top prospects Reckling is ranked higher than Skaggs.

For everyone that thinks this trade was crap, you are part right. I personally think we should have kept Haren but management was at the point of no return. Everyone including Haren knew he was gone, it wasn't like ARZ wasn't going to trade him and only privately gauged teams interest, these rumors were very public.

Two reasons I am happy with this trade:

1. We finally get some lefties in our current rotation (Saunders) and farm system (all three prospects coming are LHP's).

2. Haren isn't going to the Yankees. They got arrogant and thought the would sucker us into taking a couple of scrubby minor leaguers for Haren, well suck on that.

This season is lost anyway, nice to see Haren get a shot with a contender, the guy was classy throughout this whole process, genuine nice guy. Next year's rotation could actually be quite nice:

1. Jarrod Parker
2. Edwin Jackson
3. Ian Kennedy
4. Joe Saunders
5. Barry Enright or Reckling

Rodriguez is a righty.

 

[binkar]

As of right now on everyone's list of Angels top prospects Reckling is ranked higher than Skaggs.

Understandable, but that is in large part because Reckling is a lot closer. Consider when the reports were written, the limited innings of evaluation they had on Skaggs, and the fact that he is straight out of high school with less than a year of pro ball. I guess it all depends on your risk appetite. I would rather have Skaggs with a higher ceiling.

 

[asuhoopsnut]

Skaggs to be PTBNL

Keith Law of ESPN is reporting that Tyler Skaggs is the "player to be named later" in the Haren deal. Now, this deal does not seem so bad. Skaggs is a very good prospect who has big time potential. The Diamondbacks have liked him for some time.
Here's a link to his scouting video:

http://baseballbeginnings.com/?s=tyler+skaggs

 

[TJ]

If the PTBNL is Mike Trout, Ill feel a little better about this move

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=trout-001mik

 

[ajcardfan]

The D-Backs are the most depressing team in the Valley right now. And, I can't see them being very good the next season or two after this one.

 

[Yuma]

FWIW, listened to an analyst on ESPN BEFORE this trade, and he said we had ZERO triple A pitchers ready to help on the big league level right now. He said whoever we traded with the Dbacks were looking for at least 3 pitchers in return. The guy was right on with what this trade is. We got a couple stop gap guys for pitching near term. One guy as a prospect, and possibly they may even take a fourth pitcher.

 

[Lefty]

Found these stats from an Angels site:

Haren's post-ASB ERA (4.40) and WHIP (1.40) since 2008.
Saunders' post-ASB ERA (4.50) and WHIP (1.45).
And those type of numbers for Haren go back to 2006.

 

[SunsTzu]

Keith Law of ESPN is reporting that Tyler Skaggs is the "player to be named later" in the Haren deal. Now, this deal does not seem so bad. Skaggs is a very good prospect who has big time potential. The Diamondbacks have liked him for some time.
Here's a link to his scouting video:

http://baseballbeginnings.com/?s=tyler+skaggs

I like that they went for the guy with the most upside. If Skaggs reaches his potential this could be a really good move down the line.

 

[binkar]

The trade also leaves us with a lot of flexibility for next years draft. It's pretty clear that we have one of the worst farm systems in all of major league baseball. Next years draft is supposed to be incredibly strong. With 2 top 7 picks and some extra money, in addition to todays deal, we could be back in good shape in the farm system.

I know that does help the Dbacks anytime soon, but we had a terrible team and a terrible farm system. At least now we could have vastly improved one of them.

 

[overseascardfan]

Rodriguez is a righty.

Ooops, your right.

 

[overseascardfan]

Understandable, but that is in large part because Reckling is a lot closer. Consider when the reports were written, the limited innings of evaluation they had on Skaggs, and the fact that he is straight out of high school with less than a year of pro ball. I guess it all depends on your risk appetite. I would rather have Skaggs with a higher ceiling.

I agree Skaggs ceiling is much higher than Reckling but I thought ARZ was looking for guys that were close to the majors, we may have to wait 2 or 3 years before Skaggs is ready, but this team is about 2 or 3 years away from contending so moot point.

 

[binkar]

I agree Skaggs ceiling is much higher than Reckling but I thought ARZ was looking for guys that were close to the majors, we may have to wait 2 or 3 years before Skaggs is ready, but this team is about 2 or 3 years away from contending so moot point.

True. They did say they wanted guys who were closer, I was just saying I would prefer Skaggs over Reckling. Not like I have seen either of them pitch though, so who knows?

 

[devilalum]

Haren and Saunder's eras for the season are identical!?!?

This looks like one of those deals that you won't be able to fairly evaluate for a couple of years.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

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Says it all really.

"For the Diamondbacks, the news is grim. Saunders is a back-rotation starter with no upside and enough service time that he's in line to make about $6 million in 2011. Haren makes $12.75 million next year, so they're not even saving much money in the deal in the short term. Rafael Rodriguez is a 25-year-old right-handed reliever who has been moderately effective in the minors since moving to the bullpen in 2007. He's a groundball pitcher, not a strikeout guy, with the limited upside that implies. Patrick Corbin was unranked on the Angels' Top 11 Prospects list published by Baseball Prospectus. More polish than projection, Corbin is also a low-upside prospect. The 21-year-old lefty has pitched very well in a difficult environment this season, striking out 64 men and walking 18 in 11 starts for Rancho Cucamonga.

There's a player to be named coming back to the Diamondbacks as well, though it will not be Futures Game stud outfielder Mike Trout. Speculation has centered on Tyler Skaggs, a supplemental first-round pick a year ago. Skaggs was ranked No. 9 by Prospectus, and as a prospect is something of an embryo, a 19-year-old with a projectable body and raw skills, pitching well in the Midwest League this season.

Whether Skaggs or another player, though, the fourth man in the deal won't change the evaluation of it. The Diamondbacks traded Haren and got back no top-50 prospects, maybe no top-100 prospects. If the goal was to save money, they failed as well; the difference between what they'll pay Saunders and what they would have paid Haren is likely to be washed away by the damage done by what has now been made clear: the Diamondbacks are focused on the long term, and unlikely to be contenders in the NL West for a few years. If there's a model for how not to handle the trade of a high-priced, high-value player, this is it."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...7/25/haren.dbacks.angels/index.html?eref=sihp