Harold Goodwin Named OC

[Proteus]

Does having an oc with the name Goodwin mean our offense will be winning games now?

 

[52brandon]

It could signal that, instead of filling his staff with a bunch of strategic wizards, Coach Arians plans to load up on hands-on "trench guys" who can teach.

good. He's the strategic guy on offense anyways. A good teacher, especially for the line is crucial IMO. Great hire

 

[JeffGollin]

Does having an oc with the name Goodwin mean our offense will be winning games now?

Actually, when I first heard the name, Harold Goodwin, I thought Arians had just hired his accountant.

 

[GuernseyCard]

It could signal that, instead of filling his staff with a bunch of strategic wizards, Coach Arians plans to load up on hands-on "trench guys" who can teach.

He mentioned this in his opening remarks.

 

[crisper57]

Yes, because the guy who replaced Arians in Pittsburgh didn't want the job!

Arians >>>>>>Haley. End of story.

 

[vinnymac]

I pretty excIted about the hire. He had success with the colts whom had a lot of young guys. They also had 13 players on IR. They still went the playoffs. I really am looking toward to this offseason.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

What a joke, this is clearly better than Horton+Turner+ Tice! :SNARK

LMAO some of the fans falling off the deep end this week has been EPIC.

You do realize your little Turner/Tice combo fantasy is not based in reality correct? You realize that as soon as Chudzinski was given the HC job in Cleveland that Turner was there no matter what because his son coached under Chud and was going to be there? You know that right? Because why not just go for the whole enchilada if you are going to talk about potential staffs we whiffed on.

Horton would have gotten us a Gruden/Holmgren combo at OC and LeBeau at DC!! What were we thinking?????

I wish the rest of Cardinal land paid as much attention to the rest of the league as they did ranting about this team.

 

[D-Dogg]

Fired Ken Whisenhunt so they could hire Ken Whisenhunt II. Makes perfect Cardinal sense.

He at least wouldn't have let Ken call the plays.

 

[D-Dogg]

All of this is exhausting. Hope it works out but this is hardly an OC to get excited about. One of our biggest complaints we had about Whiz was he basically became the OC after Haley left. Too much for the HC to do. We just hired a coach that will be doing the same thing.

Only in Cardinal land. Michael should start wearing a bow tie.

Hardly the only HC who is the de facto O-coordinator.

As Arians said, and I paraphrase: "I'll turn over the reins when there's someone better to do it."

(and one didn't get the impression that he thought that would ever happen)

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/hc-calling-his-own-plays-190464.html

Agreed - why in the world would he hire some OC guru when he's going to be calling the plays? And no, he isn't going to pseudo call the plays like Whis did with Miller, he is going to call them exclusively. His OC is going to be a position guy, and I assumed it would be either an OL or QB specialist.

I prefer an OL specialist, because it has a broader impact on the entire offense, IMO.

I also expect him to find two guys for the OL, one to coach guards and one to coach tackles in technique.

And I still don't like HC calling plays, but I'll bite my tongue on it until it affects game management.

 

[JeffGollin]

... I still don't like HC calling plays, but I'll bite my tongue on it until it affects game management.

Raises an interesting thought:

If one of the drawbacks of having a HC call plays down on the sideline (without full view of the field from on high) is it then incumbent upon him to hire an OC who - from the press box - can clearly convey to Coach Arians what he's seeing from up there?

 

[GuernseyCard]

Raises an interesting thought:

If one of the drawbacks of having a HC call plays down on the sideline (without full view of the field from on high) is it then incumbent upon him to hire an OC who - from the press box - can clearly convey to Coach Arians what he's seeing from up there?

Given Goodwin's strengths it may be someone else in the booth.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

It could signal that, instead of filling his staff with a bunch of strategic wizards, Coach Arians plans to load up on hands-on "trench guys" who can teach.

I think this is the better way to go with our team. We need coaches who can teach up our players.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

LMAO some of the fans falling off the deep end this week has been EPIC.

You do realize your little Turner/Tice combo fantasy is not based in reality correct? You realize that as soon as Chudzinski was given the HC job in Cleveland that Turner was there no matter what because his son coached under Chud and was going to be there? You know that right? Because why not just go for the whole enchilada if you are going to talk about potential staffs we whiffed on.

Horton would have gotten us a Gruden/Holmgren combo at OC and LeBeau at DC!! What were we thinking?????

I wish the rest of Cardinal land paid as much attention to the rest of the league as they did ranting about this team.

Yes, I guess its just a coincendence that Norv signed with Cleveland at the day Horton was informed he wasn't going to be HC.

 

[PJ1]

Agreed - why in the world would he hire some OC guru when he's going to be calling the plays? And no, he isn't going to pseudo call the plays like Whis did with Miller, he is going to call them exclusively. His OC is going to be a position guy, and I assumed it would be either an OL or QB specialist.

I prefer an OL specialist, because it has a broader impact on the entire offense, IMO.

I also expect him to find two guys for the OL, one to coach guards and one to coach tackles in technique.

And I still don't like HC calling plays, but I'll bite my tongue on it until it affects game management.

Other than filling in last year and doing a good job Arians is really a first time HC. Not sure how effective he can be when also taking on calling the plays. I mean how long was Bowles a DC? Half a season? No proven track record as a DC. We shall see but I have my doubts.

 

[Gee!]

Is Andrew Luck coming with Arians? Is any projected QB in the next three years projected to be the next Luck?

Ok, ya were done.. Arians will be fired in two years..

 

[vinnymac]

All this negativity on this board. It is a shame. I am really looking foward to this up coming season. Do not expect a whole lot of new faces this season. The cardinals are going to do what the 49ers did when they fired singletary. Basically come back with the same roster and win. I believe Arian can do it.

 

[Gee!]

All this negativity on this board. It is a shame. I am really looking foward to this up coming season. Do not expect a whole lot of new faces this season. The cardinals are going to do what the 49ers did when they fired singletary. Basically come back with the same roster and win. I believe Arian can do it.

Your F'ing out your mind.. Go seek help..

 

[Doc Cardinal]

All this negativity on this board. It is a shame. I am really looking foward to this up coming season. Do not expect a whole lot of new faces this season. The cardinals are going to do what the 49ers did when they fired singletary. Basically come back with the same roster and win. I believe Arian can do it.

Not a whole lot of negativity from the entire board....just some people saying the same frikkin things over and over again....hey we get it....you think we suck and will suck to all suckiness next year...have a fun time over the spring and summer dreaming about how sucky we are.....remember negative thoughts attract more negativity....have a nice day.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Your F'ing out your mind.. Go seek help..

Well, someone's grip is certainly in question.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Raises an interesting thought:

If one of the drawbacks of having a HC call plays down on the sideline (without full view of the field from on high) is it then incumbent upon him to hire an OC who - from the press box - can clearly convey to Coach Arians what he's seeing from up there?

I don't really understand this comment. Don't most offensive play callers (HC or OC) call plays from the sidelines?

 

[vinnymac]

A lot people on this board wanted Whis fired. They got there demand. Now a some of y 'all are complaining about who the Cardinals hire. You have to give people a chance to prove themselves. At least they hired someone with experience and success at developing young players. That is what you want. The WR cach again has experience. He was part of the success that the bears had. Brandon Marshall caught over a hundred balls again. He hasn't done that since the Broncos. The bears also started a rookie WR next to him. Which explains the drop off in production. All in all you have to keep positive until they prove that they can't do the job.

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't really understand this comment. Don't most offensive play callers (HC or OC) call plays from the sidelines?

I don't think so. In many instances, plays are called by the OC in the press box and relayed to the HC who, in turn, relays them to the QB. The logic is that you can see the field much better from on-high.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I don't think so. In many instances, plays are called by the OC in the press box and relayed to the HC who, in turn, relays them to the QB. The logic is that you can see the field much better from on-high.

I don't know. Pretty sure Miller, McCoy, Bevell and even Arians just to name a few all called plays from the sidelines as OCs. They may have had someone up high to relay what they saw or they had pictures taken of each play and sent down to them afterwards.

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't know. Pretty sure Miller, McCoy, Bevell and even Arians just to name a few all called plays from the sidelines as OCs. They may have had someone up high to relay what they saw or they had pictures taken of each play and sent down to them afterwards.

That's the point. HC calls the plays but gets audio or photo input from the press box. What the guy up there sees, and how well he communicates this to the HC is an important part of the typical process.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

That's the point. HC calls the plays but gets audio or photo input from the press box. What the guy up there sees, and how well he communicates this to the HC is an important part of the typical process.

Now I'm confused..

My point is that a HC calling plays from the sideline isn't any different from a OC doing it because most OCs call plays from the sidelines. If most or all OCs have someone relaying info or pictures from the press box than I don't see why that would be different than if the HC is the one calling the plays as apposed to the OC.