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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
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Another point of debate/discussion:
My take is that Voldemort couldn't have killed Harry no matter what at that point. He was the Master of Death. Owner of the the Invisibility Cloak. Rightful owner of the stone (even if he dropped it, so what, it was still his...he activated it). True master of the Wand...the Deathstick. He had all three Deathly Hallows under his ownership in one form or another.
Voldy could not have touched him (which is part of why crucio did him no harm).
HOWEVER...his sacrifice of his life weakened Voldy far more, giving protection to those friends fighting still. Giving them his Lily-like love and protection, allowing them to survive (neville was burning, but able to kill Nagini?). His sacrifice was huge, and reverberated throughout Hogwarts. He could ONLY die if he CHOSE to die, and he CHOSE to die. Voldemort had no power over him...and when he CHOSE to come back (the Master of Death) Voldemort had even less power over him and Harry knew it....
And I LOVE that Harry gave him a chance to be remorseful...to heal his fractured soul but Riddle could not. Harry, the Master of Death, fully understood it at that point.
And then he relinquished the Master of Death spot by not looking for the ring and by burying the wand with DD. Only keeping the cloak, which in the story in the book was the choice of the wise brother...the one who lived long and had a good life and met death on his own terms.
At least that's the way I see it...your thoughts?
Voldy could not have touched him (which is part of why crucio did him no harm).
HOWEVER...his sacrifice of his life weakened Voldy far more, giving protection to those friends fighting still. Giving them his Lily-like love and protection, allowing them to survive (neville was burning, but able to kill Nagini?). His sacrifice was huge, and reverberated throughout Hogwarts. He could ONLY die if he CHOSE to die, and he CHOSE to die. Voldemort had no power over him...and when he CHOSE to come back (the Master of Death) Voldemort had even less power over him and Harry knew it....
And I LOVE that Harry gave him a chance to be remorseful...to heal his fractured soul but Riddle could not. Harry, the Master of Death, fully understood it at that point.
And then he relinquished the Master of Death spot by not looking for the ring and by burying the wand with DD. Only keeping the cloak, which in the story in the book was the choice of the wise brother...the one who lived long and had a good life and met death on his own terms.
At least that's the way I see it...your thoughts?
What door?
I agree with you that I wanted to know what they did for a living. Harry wan't a teacher obviously, but it would've been interesting to know what they did. I was fine with the epilogue though...it was a good ending. I wasn't disappointed like I was after reading the Everworld series.
You know, I never thought of rape, but it makes sense. I just assumed they were all under 10 so rape didn't come to mind.
I agree with you that I wanted to know what they did for a living. Harry wan't a teacher obviously, but it would've been interesting to know what they did. I was fine with the epilogue though...it was a good ending. I wasn't disappointed like I was after reading the Everworld series.
You know, I never thought of rape, but it makes sense. I just assumed they were all under 10 so rape didn't come to mind.
In OotP, Harry kept dreaming about a locked door that he never could get to in order to open it. When in the Ministry..he saw the locked door. Most people assumed he would open that door in this book, but he didn't.
That's the door to the Department of Mysteries(sp?) because he saw Voldermort go in there and torture Sirius so that's the door him and his friends went through...? Yeah I'm pretty sure it was because as his dreams went on he got closer and closer and near the end it even opened for him and that's what they went through to save Sirius.
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From Wiki on Department of Mysteries and the rooms:
The bolded one is the one I am referring to, but as it says it is confirmed to be love behind it. I just thought we might go behind the veil and the locked door in this book. No biggie though.
The bolded one is the one I am referring to, but as it says it is confirmed to be love behind it. I just thought we might go behind the veil and the locked door in this book. No biggie though.
Gambit
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Anyone else find Snape's obsession with Lily more creepy than anything?I still liked hearing that he really was on Dumbledore's side, but that part did bug me.
Also glad neither Harry, Ginny, Hermione nor Ron died. I was so sure at least two of them would.
Sad to see Lupin go. He was one of my favorite characters, but there needed to be some death in this book.
Oh yeah and, Kingsley is a beast! It was pretty funny in the movie though how they had him dressed up in full Kwanza gear.
A little, but Snape was a creepy guy. But heroic too, in a different way. True platonic love is achieved when one becomes resigned to unrequited love.
Gambit
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Why couldn't Harry see the thestrals until after he witnesses Cedric's death--he had already witnessed Lily's death so shouldn't they always have been visible?
Gambit
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I am a little behind in the series, but I couldnt believe when
All those owls kept bringing letters to Harry's uncle's house!
Blimey...Harry's a WIZARD! Hold the phone.
Gambit
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I don't think Harry became an auror, just because his own declared intention was to retire undefeated so the Elder Wand lost its power. I think he became a Seeker for a pro Quidditch team. The Bournsemouth Cardinals, perhaps?
Gambit
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Very nice....I agree with it
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arthurracoon
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here is an awesome article summarizing Rowlings interview on the Today show.
she tells what characters got the reprieve, and some more back story
apperantly she is also going to publish a harry potter encyclopedia (from her notes) with more back story and more of an epilogue.
here is the article:
she tells what characters got the reprieve, and some more back story
apperantly she is also going to publish a harry potter encyclopedia (from her notes) with more back story and more of an epilogue.
here is the article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19935372/
For the millions in the midst of the seven stages of mourning for the end of the Harry Potter era, take heart.
In her first tell-all interview since the release of “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows,” J.K. Rowling told TODAY’s Meredith Vieira she will most likely publish a Potter encyclopedia, promising many more details about her beloved characters and the fate of the wizarding world beyond the few clues provided in the seventh book’s epilogue.
“I suppose I have (started) because the raw material is all in my notes,” Rowling said.
The encyclopedia would include back stories of characters she has already written but had to cut for the sake of narrative arc (“I've said before that Dean Thomas had a much more interesting history than ever appeared in the books”), as well as details about the characters who survive “Deathly Hallows,” characters who continue to live on in Rowling’s mind in a clearly defined magical world.
Hogwarts, for example, would have a new headmaster (“McGonagle was really getting on a bit”), and Rowling said she can see Harry going back to “give lectures on Defense Against the Dark Arts.” That class, by the way, would be led by a permanent professor since Voldemort’s death broke the jinx he placed on the position which didn’t allow a teacher to stay for more than a year.
Rowling offered up these details freely to Vieira and the 14 fans who asked her questions at Edinburgh Castle in Scotland on Tuesday. In fact, now that she is now longer burdened with having to guard the secrets of book seven, Rowling seemed to delight in discussing her plot choices and clearing up the mysteries that have previously surrounded the books.
The character Rowling couldn’t bear to kill
One of the big stories that has been floating among fans for over a year is that one character gets a reprieve from death, while two others Rowling didn’t intend to kill end up dying in “Deathly Hallows.”
“Mr. Weasley, he was the person who got a reprieve,” Rowling said. “When I sketched out the books, Mr. Weasley was due to die in Book Five.”
Instead, another father in the book — Remus Lupin — and his wife, Tonks, die in the Battle of Hogwarts, leaving their newborn child, Teddy, an orphan.
Even though Rowling couldn’t bear to kill off Arthur Weasley, Rowling said every character was extremely difficult for her. Given the blood bath that is “Deathly Hallows,” the writing of it was bound to be an emotional roller coaster.
But nothing in the entire process of the series was more difficult than writing the scene when Harry, accompanied by his deceased lost loved ones – James, Lily, Sirius and Lupin — walks into the forest with the intent of sacrificing his life in the name of defeating Voldemort, Rowling said, adding it is her favorite passage in all seven books.
“I didn't cry as I was writing (that chapter), but when I finished writing, I had enormous explosion of emotion and I cried and cried and cried,” Rowling said.
“That was partly because of the content-- and partly because it had been planned for so long and been roughed out for so long. And to write the definitive version felt like a-- a huge climax.”
“The Deathly Hallows” is a climax to the last 17 years of Rowling’s life, a time when she has gone from a single divorced mother living on public assistance to a married mother of three and one richest women in the world.
It’s now time to sit back for a bit and enjoy the life that Harry has given her, Rowling said. And, when she’s ready, there’s always that encyclopedia waiting in the wings.
“I’m not going to do it tomorrow because I’d really like a break,” Rowling said, laughing. “So you may be waiting.”
For the millions in the midst of the seven stages of mourning for the end of the Harry Potter era, take heart.
In her first tell-all interview since the release of “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows,” J.K. Rowling told TODAY’s Meredith Vieira she will most likely publish a Potter encyclopedia, promising many more details about her beloved characters and the fate of the wizarding world beyond the few clues provided in the seventh book’s epilogue.
“I suppose I have (started) because the raw material is all in my notes,” Rowling said.
The encyclopedia would include back stories of characters she has already written but had to cut for the sake of narrative arc (“I've said before that Dean Thomas had a much more interesting history than ever appeared in the books”), as well as details about the characters who survive “Deathly Hallows,” characters who continue to live on in Rowling’s mind in a clearly defined magical world.
Hogwarts, for example, would have a new headmaster (“McGonagle was really getting on a bit”), and Rowling said she can see Harry going back to “give lectures on Defense Against the Dark Arts.” That class, by the way, would be led by a permanent professor since Voldemort’s death broke the jinx he placed on the position which didn’t allow a teacher to stay for more than a year.
Rowling offered up these details freely to Vieira and the 14 fans who asked her questions at Edinburgh Castle in Scotland on Tuesday. In fact, now that she is now longer burdened with having to guard the secrets of book seven, Rowling seemed to delight in discussing her plot choices and clearing up the mysteries that have previously surrounded the books.
The character Rowling couldn’t bear to kill
One of the big stories that has been floating among fans for over a year is that one character gets a reprieve from death, while two others Rowling didn’t intend to kill end up dying in “Deathly Hallows.”
“Mr. Weasley, he was the person who got a reprieve,” Rowling said. “When I sketched out the books, Mr. Weasley was due to die in Book Five.”
Instead, another father in the book — Remus Lupin — and his wife, Tonks, die in the Battle of Hogwarts, leaving their newborn child, Teddy, an orphan.
Even though Rowling couldn’t bear to kill off Arthur Weasley, Rowling said every character was extremely difficult for her. Given the blood bath that is “Deathly Hallows,” the writing of it was bound to be an emotional roller coaster.
But nothing in the entire process of the series was more difficult than writing the scene when Harry, accompanied by his deceased lost loved ones – James, Lily, Sirius and Lupin — walks into the forest with the intent of sacrificing his life in the name of defeating Voldemort, Rowling said, adding it is her favorite passage in all seven books.
“I didn't cry as I was writing (that chapter), but when I finished writing, I had enormous explosion of emotion and I cried and cried and cried,” Rowling said.
“That was partly because of the content-- and partly because it had been planned for so long and been roughed out for so long. And to write the definitive version felt like a-- a huge climax.”
“The Deathly Hallows” is a climax to the last 17 years of Rowling’s life, a time when she has gone from a single divorced mother living on public assistance to a married mother of three and one richest women in the world.
It’s now time to sit back for a bit and enjoy the life that Harry has given her, Rowling said. And, when she’s ready, there’s always that encyclopedia waiting in the wings.
“I’m not going to do it tomorrow because I’d really like a break,” Rowling said, laughing. “So you may be waiting.”
Me too, that's a nice way to look at it.
That was nice...what an amazing experience for her.
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I've never watched nor read any of these. Does potter die?
I am leaning toward him becoming an Unspeakable, personally. He's such a curious cat he'd be a great wizard intelligence officer. But yeah, pro Quidditch seeker seems likely.
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Phlegyas
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Great...might be my favorite of the series.
It was well done and I hope she writes more stuff about the wizarding world than that encyclopedia.
I thought everything was wrapped up nicely. I can't think of any loose ends that weren't tied up.
Best part: The epilogue. The futures of several characters where shown nicely and weren't heavy-handed, but was very natural. It also left a good feeling within me. All was, indeed, well.
Worst part: When Lupin and Tonks died. Fred dying stunk, too, but these two hurt most of all because A) I liked the characters and B) they had a kid that was now orphaned.
Well, at least the four people I didn't want dead most of all--Harry, Hermione, Ron, and Ginny--lived.
Snape ended up not being the great betrayer, but possibly the most loyal of Dumbledore's servants. That was a good ending to Snape's story. And Neville rocks--it was he, the bumbling guy who just didn't seem to do magic very well, who stood up to Voldemort and defied him to his face. Also, he helped in the destruction of Voldemort. You go, Neville.
May there be more adventures about the wizarding world that J. K. Rowling writes, because this adventure, from books 1-7, was fantastic.
I thought everything was wrapped up nicely. I can't think of any loose ends that weren't tied up.
Best part: The epilogue. The futures of several characters where shown nicely and weren't heavy-handed, but was very natural. It also left a good feeling within me. All was, indeed, well.
Worst part: When Lupin and Tonks died. Fred dying stunk, too, but these two hurt most of all because A) I liked the characters and B) they had a kid that was now orphaned.
Well, at least the four people I didn't want dead most of all--Harry, Hermione, Ron, and Ginny--lived.
Snape ended up not being the great betrayer, but possibly the most loyal of Dumbledore's servants. That was a good ending to Snape's story. And Neville rocks--it was he, the bumbling guy who just didn't seem to do magic very well, who stood up to Voldemort and defied him to his face. Also, he helped in the destruction of Voldemort. You go, Neville.
May there be more adventures about the wizarding world that J. K. Rowling writes, because this adventure, from books 1-7, was fantastic.
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arthurracoon
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http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/harry_potter_and_the
Onion AV club did a great article here....had two readers posting their thoughts in real time, as they read through the book, stopping every 100 pages or so to drop a comment. I found it really interesting.
Spoilers A'PLENTY in there... You have been warned.
Onion AV club did a great article here....had two readers posting their thoughts in real time, as they read through the book, stopping every 100 pages or so to drop a comment. I found it really interesting.
Spoilers A'PLENTY in there... You have been warned.
JK is talking....SPOILERS!!!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959323/
Seriously...DO NOT CLICK if you haven't finished. And, what is in that link is more detail on the final, very last chapter of Book 7.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959323/
Seriously...DO NOT CLICK if you haven't finished. And, what is in that link is more detail on the final, very last chapter of Book 7.
Good article.
It was nice to know what the 3 friends went on to do. I didn't think Harry was a pro quidditch player because then his kids wouldn't be wondering why people were starting from the train because as a pro athlete he would get attention there. I always thought he would be an Auror, but I did think your other suggestion made more sense for him, Donald.
Come on...more of you have to have finished this, ffs!
I am getting there.Come on...more of you have to have finished this, ffs!
Heucrazy
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Come on...more of you have to have finished this, ffs!
I finished last night. I'm sad that the series is over.
I thought the way Voldemort died was kind of anti-climatic. I wanted Harry to kill him personally, with the killing curse. Neville cutting off Nagini's head was awesome though.
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