Has Fitz hurt his HofF chances by staying in AZ

[joko4]

Personally, I think Fitz will make it, but I also know Fitz has HOF accountants, he will be fine.

 

[Gee!]

That's hilarious coming from a guy who gets his panties in a wad anytime someone says something good about John Skelton and immediately posts an exaggerated statement about how BAD Skelton is.

You don't care if the Cards win or lose that's fine. But I'm not buying your pollyanna baby girl everything is rosy nonsense. And if you don't like it tough s***.

I focused on one player who obviously is not good.. Instead of the world is crashing and the whole thing sucks, waking up ready to bash every aspect of this organization and taking glee in it..

 

[Duckjake]

I focused on one player who obviously is not good.. Instead of the world is crashing and the whole thing sucks, waking up ready to bash every aspect of this organization and taking glee in it..

If you believe that your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. Maybe instead of reading this board you should stick to See spot run or the Pokey Little Puppy.

 

[kerouac9]

I know this isn't going to make many friends on this board, but let's keep Larry Fitzgerald's career in perspective:

6x Pro Bowler (good)
1 First-team All-pro (not HOF-worthy)
35th all time in receptions and receiving yards
24th all time in receiving TDs
6th in receiving yards per game (HOF-worthy)
57th in touchdowns

Keep in mind that Larry's going to have to keep producing at a very high level for some time, because his numbers aren't going to look that great in context as the game continues to evolve around and after him.

No single season in Larry's career has ranked in the top 45 of all-time single receiving seasons. Same with TDs.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I know this isn't going to make many friends on this board, but let's keep Larry Fitzgerald's career in perspective:

6x Pro Bowler (good)
1 First-team All-pro (not HOF-worthy)
35th all time in receptions and receiving yards
24th all time in receiving TDs
6th in receiving yards per game (HOF-worthy)
57th in touchdowns

Keep in mind that Larry's going to have to keep producing at a very high level for some time, because his numbers aren't going to look that great in context as the game continues to evolve around and after him.

No single season in Larry's career has ranked in the top 45 of all-time single receiving seasons. Same with TDs.

You also have to throw in whatever records he broke on the SuperBowl run. Does producing during the big games increase the likelihood of reaching the HOF?

 

[Totally_Red]

no [see Gale Sayers]

 

[Gee!]

If you believe that your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. Maybe instead of reading this board you should stick to See spot run or the Pokey Little Puppy.

Really? Ok then..

 

[1DS]

Sorry on Devin Hester. I meant Percy Harvin. Late at night and typing on an iPhone.

Lets see Fitz "dominate for 5 years."

Your dismissive attitude of the better and more productive WRs in the NFL doesn't change the fact that there are a LOT of good, productive receivers in the NFL. The first thing that voters are going to look at is production and numbers. As good and talented a guy as Fitz is, he hasn't won anything, and he's not been consistently productive in a league where receivers are putting up record-breaking numbers every year.

But, your "are not" comments ARE (not) very persuasive. Whether or not Brandon Marshall or Dez Bryant are headcases is irrelevant to the question of whether or not they're better/more productive than Fitz right now.

The question is would you take any of those players on your team over fitz? I would not take one of those players over fitz, save Calvin Johnson.

 

[kerouac9]

The question is would you take any of those players on your team over fitz? I would not take one of those players over fitz, save Calvin Johnson.

I'd take almost all of them except Calvin Johnson. Thomas, Jones, Harvin, Green, Bryant, Nicks, Nelson, Jason, and Maclin definitely.

 

[PoolBoy]

the list of receivers better than Fitz is really funny. Maclin? Cruz? lol have you watched football?

 

[kerouac9]

the list of receivers better than Fitz is really funny. Maclin? Cruz? lol have you watched football?

Maclin is a stud. Are you sure you've watched football.

Meanwhile, Larry Fitzgerald has 11 more yards and one fewer TD than Andre Roberts. Top 10 WR and future hall of famer, indeed.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd take almost all of them except Calvin Johnson. Thomas, Jones, Harvin, Green, Bryant, Nicks, Nelson, Jason, and Maclin definitely.

what? am I missing something here or are you saying you'd take Maclin, Thomas, Nicks and Nelson over Fitz? I have to be missing something here.

and... you WOULDN'T take Calvin Johnson over Fitz? i'm so freaking confused rght now.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Maclin is a stud. Are you sure you've watched football.

Meanwhile, Larry Fitzgerald has 11 more yards and one fewer TD than Andre Roberts. Top 10 WR and future hall of famer, indeed.

are you just willfully ignoring the fact that he's playing with what could possibly be the worst collection of QBs of all time?

 

[1DS]

are you just willfully ignoring the fact that he's playing with what could possibly be the worst collection of QBs of all time?

Yes, yes he is.

He is being a troll. That's the only thing that makes sense. He said he'd take everyone on that list of 15 players over Fitz, other than Megatron.

I wonder how Jeremy Maclin would look in this offense....

 

[kerouac9]

what? am I missing something here or are you saying you'd take Maclin, Thomas, Nicks and Nelson over Fitz? I have to be missing something here.

and... you WOULDN'T take Calvin Johnson over Fitz? i'm so freaking confused rght now.

are you just willfully ignoring the fact that he's playing with what could possibly be the worst collection of QBs of all time?

Mostly, I'd take them because of their ultra-cheap contract numbers, and that they're younger, big-play guys.

I'm not willfully ignoring the fact that he's playing with terrible quarterbacks. That's the real problem. But he's also not making plays, and he's giving up on routes, and he's not playing very good football right now, even in a vaccuum.

Fitz is a great player, and in a vaccuum he probably is one of the Top 5 WRs in the NFL. But it's not free and clear. FootballOutsiders mentioned Monday that one of their writers believed that Fitz would be the kind of WR who transcends terrible QB play. He was absolutely able to do that last year. This year?

Not so much.

Fitz is a better player than we're seeing right now; that's one reason why it'd be a terrible reason to trade him. He's at the lowest point that he's ever been. But is he a Hall of Famer right now if he retired? No. Fitz has maybe four more seasons in his prime. It's criminal that Whis and Graves completely squandered one of those seasons out of stupidity, arrogance, stubbornness, or a combination of the three.

If I had to strip away age and contract concerns, I'd probably have Megatron one, A.J. Green two, Julio Jones three, Vincent Jackson four, Fitz five, with Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, and Dez Bryant in hot pursuit.

The reason why Fitz needs to be extraordinary in this second half of his prime is because there are going to be more and more exceptional wide receivers coming out in the draft, and they're going to be more and more productive, earlier and earlier in their career.

Five years ago Andre Rison and Tim Brown were considered locks for the Hall of Fame. They've been passed over twice. Is Isaac Bruce going to be a Hall of Famer? What about Cris Carter? Will Torry Holt be enshrined in Canton? How about Marvin Harrison?

At a certain point, it starts to be that there's going to just be a draft class of only WRs. The meaning of "great wide receiver" hasn't completely been changed.

Yet.

Randy Moss has 6 Pro Bowls, but also 4 first-team All Pro selections and