Hassan Adams - DUI

[MaoTosiFanClub]

It should be interesting to see how Lute handles this. This year can't end soon enough.

 

[green machine]

A horribly unlikeable team. No leadership, no accountability, starts at the top, and tricles down. Hassan had an incident earlier at a party that was reported and then forgotten, nice to see he's learned his lessons.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

A horribly unlikeable team. No leadership, no accountability, starts at the top, and tricles down. Hassan had an incident earlier at a party that was reported and then forgotten, nice to see he's learned his lessons.

I hope Budinger, Bayless, Wise, and the other guys we got coming in turn out to be good kids because I've gotten pretty tired of cheering for headcases these past few years. Rodgers, Hassan, and Fox - great senior leadership.

 

[green machine]

I hope Budinger, Bayless, Wise, and the other guys we got coming in turn out to be good kids because I've gotten pretty tired of cheering for headcases these past few years. Rodgers, Hassan, and Fox - great senior leadership.

Well, I blame Lute for alot of this mess. Hopefully the other guys have good heads on their shoulders yeah, but Lute has lost control of this team.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Well, I blame Lute for alot of this mess. Hopefully the other guys have good heads on their shoulders yeah, but Lute has lost control of this team.

Totally agree, while Lute didn't drink the booze, get in the car, steal the bagel, or whatver nonsense Rodgers did, the blame ultimately falls on him because he recruited these guys and gave them way too many chances. I hope having to deal with headaches like these guys for the past few years will motivate him into recruiting different types of players.

For as much as I bag on guys like Walters and Shakur for their shortcomings, I know they are good kids who work their butts off and want to represent Arizona in a positive fashion. It's too bad the more talented guys on this year's team don't show that kind of attitude.

 

[DWKB]

Sure makes this incident seem much more likely, doesn't it?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Sure makes this incident seem much more likely, doesn't it?

Still bitter about '97 are we?

 

[Renz]

This has been one of those Murphy's Law seasons. This season can't be over fast enough.

 

[Lefty]

Still bitter about '97 are we?

Exactly. As for the Hassan, I hope Lute suspends him for the Pac-10 tournament. Some will say he is innocent until proven guilty and let him have his day in court, but what he did is serious enough to suspend him now and not wait.

Being an alum, I can say I will not shed a tear when these seniors leave. The Cats will be a much better team next year without him. Ivan, Shakur, Walters, McClellan, Marcus, Fendi, Prince, and the amazing recruits coming in will make Cat fans forget this year very fast. By the way, Chase is a stud. He scored over 50 yesterday and some are saying he is the best player to come out of San Diego since Bill Walton.

 

[DWKB]

Still bitter about '97 are we?

Hey, we just ran into your peak team in your cute little 20 year run. Course, beside '97, you aren't even in our league in terms of this sport. I'd apologize for '88 but most of you all don't remember the beginning of your team actually meaning.

 

[AZBALLER]

Hey, we just ran into your peak team in your cute little 20 year run. Course, beside '97, you aren't even in our league in terms of this sport.

Ouch! Yet true...Of course, who am I to talk about basketball?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Hey, we just ran into your peak team in your cute little 20 year run. Course, beside '97, you aren't even in our league in terms of this sport. I'd apologize for '88 but most of you all don't remember the beginning of your team actually meaning.

At least I can remember my team winning it all. And we lost to Oklahoma that year in the Final Four not you guys so I wouldn't be talking about Arizona fans with short memories.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Hey, we just ran into your peak team in your cute little 20 year run. Course, beside '97, you aren't even in our league in terms of this sport. I'd apologize for '88 but most of you all don't remember the beginning of your team actually meaning.

Actually bro that was your PEAK team. With Jacque Vaughn, Paul Pierce and Reaf LaFrentz (not to mention a sniper like Boshee) you guys were the # 1 team all year and kansas best chance at a title since Danny Manning (and yeah you have been unable to finish since that title and that was with about a decade with your diety coach Roy, who ended up leaving you guys for a better program) and we just knocked you off like cold blooded assasins. Still the defining game in a strong UA run these last 15 or so years.

Don't be bitter. I actually like Bill Self as a coach. But its not like you guys are duke and are an obviously superior program to us. As far as the countdown goes:

UA: 10 years (1997) and counting
KU: 19 years (1988) and counting

Clocks ticking.........

 

[burndoggy]

two arrests in 1 season, hes having a bad year off the court. I would think his season is done. Maybe he gets 3 strikes i dont know.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

two arrests in 1 season, hes having a bad year off the court. I would think his season is done. Maybe he gets 3 strikes i dont know.

I'm guessing Lute suspends him for the Pac-10 Tournament, which will probably turn out to be only one game at this rate. Kicking him off the team basically screws over the other 12 guys who didn't get behind the wheel and puts in a nail in the coffin of Hassan's already dwindling NBA prospects.

If he does decide to tell him to clean out his locker I can't say I would mind too much. Personally, I don't think Hassan is even the second or third best player on the team right now.

 

[DWKB]

I know OU beat you all. We beat Duke that year, but you were a #1 dominant team, who didn't win the championship and instead a lowly #6 seed won it instead.

Actually bro that was your PEAK team. With Jacque Vaughn, Paul Pierce and Reaf LaFrentz (not to mention a sniper like Boshee) you guys were the # 1 team all year and kansas best chance at a title since Danny Manning (and yeah you have been unable to finish since that title and that was with about a decade with your diety coach Roy, who ended up leaving you guys for a better program) and we just knocked you off like cold blooded assasins. Still the defining game in a strong UA run these last 15 or so years.

See, just goes to show that you all have no understanding of history. To tell a school that had Wilt Chamberlain, Jo Jo White, Danny Manning, and Clyde Lovellette that the 1997 team was our peak team is someone who doesn't know **** about college basketball (Jeff Boschee wasn't on that team)

KU is the foundation of college basketball, then we branched off into two other schools, UNC and Kentucky. That's the holy trinity there. Since then, you can tack on Duke and UCLA, and maybe IU. Arizona might not even be the top UofA in basketball (Arkansas). Doesn't mean you don't have a decent lil program, though.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm guessing Lute suspends him for the Pac-10 Tournament, which will probably turn out to be only one game at this rate. Kicking him off the team basically screws over the other 12 guys who didn't get behind the wheel and puts in a nail in the coffin of Hassan's already dwindling NBA prospects.

If he does decide to tell him to clean out his locker I can't say I would mind too much. Personally, I don't think Hassan is even the second or third best player on the team right now.

I think he suspends him for at least the first game of the tournament. It's a catch 22 if he suspends him the whole tourney and they lose in the first round, there's an outside chance they don't get an NCAA bid. I think they will but the NCAA committee does consider injuries and suspensions so they'll need to know upfront if Adams will play in the NCAA's.

I figure Lute suspends him one game and re-evaluates it after that game.

Hassan has basically ended any chance he had of going first round, not that he was a lock but he had a chance, not now, 2 arrests in one year ended that.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

I think the best option is for Lute to suspend him for the Pac-10 tournament. Hassan need his shoulder to heal and if he sits out the tournament he might be 100% by the NCAA's.

We will find out today what Lute is doing. Can't say I know what is going to happen, but suspended or not im with Lute all the way.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I know OU beat you all. We beat Duke that year, but you were a #1 dominant team, who didn't win the championship and instead a lowly #6 seed won it instead.

Just like in 1997. Except we were a #5 seed.

The '97 KU team was one of the best teams ever assembled. That's why they called the tournament that year the "KU Invitational." There's still four guys playing in the NBA off that team and there were other solid college guys like Jerod Haase and BJ Williams.

KU is the foundation of college basketball, then we branched off into two other schools, UNC and Kentucky. That's the holy trinity there. Since then, you can tack on Duke and UCLA, and maybe IU. Arizona might not even be the top UofA in basketball (Arkansas)

Bitter, bitter. I can just see you now seething at your computer throwing darts and your Lute Olson dartboard. Anyone who doesn't think Arizona is currently and over the last two decades been among the ten most elite programs in the country is deluding themselves, but you are a bitter Kansas fan so considering the source I'm not too surprised. Second, for all your bluthering about KU basketball being the "foundation" you conveinently forget to mention that the Duke, UCLA, UNC, and Kentuckys of the world all have more championship rings than Kansas. The point though is that the history smack is very weak considering since Lute arrived in Arizona the two programs have been very, very similar.

 

[DWKB]

Just like in 1997. Except we were a #5 seed.

The '97 KU team was one of the best teams ever assembled. That's why they called the tournament that year the "KU Invitational." There's still four guys playing in the NBA off that team and there were other solid college guys like Jerod Haase and BJ Williams.

Oh I know how good we were. I'm just saying it wasn't our PEAK team like AZ Finest was. We've had several PEAK teams in the 100+ years we've been playing this game.

Bitter, bitter. I can just see you now seething at your computer throwing darts and your Lute Olson dartboard.

Oh there are plenty of other teams that earn dartboards over AZ (while I'm at it, should I say sorry for 2003 as well?)

Anyone who doesn't think Arizona is currently and over the last two decades been among the ten most elite programs in the country is deluding themselves, but you are a bitter Kansas fan so considering the source I'm not too surprised.

I believe I've said over and over again you've had a nice 20 years, haven't I? So where does this comment come from? I just happen to be of the opinion that once Lute leaves you all will go back to pre-1986 times. KU has proven to be a program much bigger than it's individual coaches.

Second, for all your bluthering about KU basketball being the "foundation" you conveinently forget to mention that the Duke, UCLA, UNC, and Kentuckys of the world all have more championship rings than Kansas. The point though is that the history smack is very weak considering since Lute arrived in Arizona the two programs have been very, very similar.

Kansas has 4 national championships, Two were before the tournament, though (1922 and 1923). Duke has 3 and UNC has 4. My point is, even if we are similar for the last 20 years, we've got another 80+ of elite history on top of that. We've got 12 Final Fours, we're 3rd all time in wins, we're 4th all time in win%. We've produced 3 of the greatest college coaches in the history of the game. I guess all that is pretty weak, huh?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Oh I know how good we were. I'm just saying it wasn't our PEAK team like AZ Finest was. We've had several PEAK teams in the 100+ years we've been playing this game.?

I'm obviously not a KU fan nor am I that old so I'm not too sure of the history, but that was the best KU team I have seen and easily the best team in the country that year. But as us college basketball fans know, the best team in the country more often than not doesn't come home with the hardware. The 1998 and 2001 teams were far superior Arizona teams than the 1997 squad but they ended up with the champoinship.

Oh there are plenty of other teams that earn dartboards over AZ (while I'm at it, should I say sorry for 2003 as well?)?

I'm not bitter over 2003 (I'm still pissed off about 2005 Illinois and 2001 Duke though not to mention many past UCLA and Stanford contests). I never thought that team had the athletic ability among its upper classmen to win the whole thing.

I believe I've said over and over again you've had a nice 20 years, haven't I? So where does this comment come from? I just happen to be of the opinion that once Lute leaves you all will go back to pre-1986 times. KU has proven to be a program much bigger than it's individual coaches.

Obviously there will be a letdown after Lute retires as he has become the face of the program. However, I feel like as long as Arizona hires the right coaches and there continues to be a demand for success among both boosters and the athletic department the program is there we'll be fine. Going back to pre-1986 is a bit of a stretch as Arizona was in the WAC up until 1979(?) and had to deal with all the issues that come along with being in a smaller conference which they obviusly won't have now that they're in the Pac-10.

Kansas has 4 national championships, Two were before the tournament, though (1922 and 1923). Duke has 3 and UNC has 4. My point is, even if we are similar for the last 20 years, we've got another 80+ of elite history on top of that. We've got 12 Final Fours, we're 3rd all time in wins, we're 4th all time in win%. We've produced 3 of the greatest college coaches in the history of the game. I guess all that is pretty weak, huh?

I never badmouthed Kansas history, I only pointed out that since we got Lute and joined a major conference we're very similar. Your stance is similar to that of Carolina fans who once brushed off Duke as a newcomer who would not have the lasting power to stay among the elite. Well now we realize that Duke is here to stay. Whether Arizona will be remains to be seen but I do know that they have the talent to contend throughout the rest of this decade and are putting things in action to try and remain that way after Lute leaves but again nothing is guaranteed.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I may have to retract my opinion that Arizona basketball is here to stay in a few hours...

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Oh I know how good we were. I'm just saying it wasn't our PEAK team like AZ Finest was. We've had several PEAK teams in the 100+ years we've been playing this game.



Oh there are plenty of other teams that earn dartboards over AZ (while I'm at it, should I say sorry for 2003 as well?)



I believe I've said over and over again you've had a nice 20 years, haven't I? So where does this comment come from? I just happen to be of the opinion that once Lute leaves you all will go back to pre-1986 times. KU has proven to be a program much bigger than it's individual coaches.




Kansas has 4 national championships, Two were before the tournament, though (1922 and 1923). Duke has 3 and UNC has 4. My point is, even if we are similar for the last 20 years, we've got another 80+ of elite history on top of that. We've got 12 Final Fours, we're 3rd all time in wins, we're 4th all time in win%. We've produced 3 of the greatest college coaches in the history of the game. I guess all that is pretty weak, huh?

Ya know what you sound like bud....? A guy living off a programs 50 years ago....How many Phog Allen KU coached teams did you actually attend? And yes i confused Haas and Boschee (are they not exactly the same player even looks wise?) but if you really want to get into it, i doubt you can get every detail of UA basketball over the last couple decades either...

Which brings me to my second point....I have some bad news for you....Since UA's rise to prominence you are behind us in terms of as a program. We have as many final fours since 1988, more and better NBA players, and a ring to boot. You guys def. have it on us in terms 100 year history, but i sure as hell wasn't around to see that so i could care less. Since i have been watching, we have been kicking your a$$ as a program.

And you guys are no Kentucky. Try combining some recent history (see Pitino, Tubby) and past history (Rupp) and then you might be able to start squawking about your ELITE program....but i could really care less about you championship in 1954 or whenever you guys were the "founding" program. If that was the case i would be pimping the 1948 NFL championship won by the Arizona Cardinals franchise way back when. But i dont. Because that's stupid.

As far as the 90's goes title counts goes:

Arizona: 1
KU: 0

And dont even get me started on players cause we own you guys there. The "truth" and Hinrich are great players but you dont have it on us in terms of salary earned and ppg. In fact no one does. In fact we have the longest tournament streak in the nation.

In fact I think we beat you the last time you played. And this is the worst UA team in 20 years so thats saying something, even if your team is young.....

Here is the top programs since 1990-2007 IMO (factoring in final fours, success, rings, players, big games and sustained success)

1. Duke
2. Kentucky
3. UConn
4. UNC
5. Arizona
6. Kansas (the atlanta braves of college basketball )
7. Michigan State
8. Syracuse

And get off the Wilt Chamberlin bandwagon.....Dude has'nt played in 30 years! Get a new alum to chirp about that someone on this board might have actually seen play.

As for Hassan....

Hassan Adams - DUI
05/06 Zona Basketball season - DOA

 

[Russ Smith]

this will sound like a slam on Kansas but it really isn't, I just don't remember the reasons anymore. how come the NCAA voided UCLA's 1979-80 season because of violations committed by Larry Brown, but didn't void Kansas' national title in 1988 for violations committed by Larry Brown?

In UCLA's case officially there is no runnerup, that tournament record was expunged from the records, Brown cheated, got caught, it was wiped out. Kansas won the title in 1988, their last NC, and the next season became the first champion in NCAA history to be denied the right to defend their title, because they were on probation, again because Larry Brown didn't follow NCAA rules.

Just too long ago for me to recall why kansas' win wasn't voided the way UCLA's 2nd place was?

I know the hiring Danny Manning's dad, a truck driver, as an assistant coach isn't what got them on probation, it's just how they got danny manning away from UNC at the time. but did the NCAA rule that none of the players on the NC team were obtained while Brown was breaking rules?

Given what Brown left at Kansas, a team on probation, I thought Roy Williams did a remarkable job rebuilding that program, and doing it the right way, hell he had them in the NC game again 3 years after taking the job, that was remarkable. Look at how long it took UCLA to recover when Brown left them took 14 years before Harrick got them back to contender.

 

[Dback Jon]

Good point on Larry Brown, Russ. UCLA has had a less than stellar record in hiring coaches since Wooden left. Best hire since is the current coach, Howland (courtesy of NAU).