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Which brings me to my second point....I have some bad news for you....Since UA's rise to prominence you are behind us in terms of as a program. We have as many final fours since 1988

Since when does 5 (1988, 1991, 1993, 2002, 2003) = 4 (1988, 1994, 1997, 2001)?

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As far as the 90's goes title counts goes:

Arizona: 1
KU: 0

You're a 1-trick pony. All you got in your whole program is 1997, so no wonder you find ways to excuse that. Enjoy it, cause in 2097, you'll still be beating that horse.



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In fact we have the longest tournament streak in the nation.

Which should end despite you probably getting in on name recognition only.

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In fact I think we beat you the last time you played. And this is the worst UA team in 20 years so thats saying something, even if your team is young.....

This is a stupid statement, you know you're not the worst UA team in 20 years and you beat up on some Fr and So in the first game of the season.

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Here is the top programs since 1990-2007 IMO (factoring in final fours, success, rings, players, big games and sustained success)

1. Duke
2. Kentucky
3. UConn
4. UNC
5. Arizona
6. Kansas (the atlanta braves of college basketball:thumbup: )
7. Michigan State
8. Syracuse

Like you're opinion qualifies you to make a list like that.

Tournament record 1988-2005:

UA 38-20
KU 43-16

Like being the Braves of a sport is a bad thing.

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And get off the Wilt Chamberlin bandwagon.....Dude has'nt played in 30 years! Get a new alum to chirp about that someone on this board might have actually seen play.

Not my fault that you have no appreciation for history, that's what college sports is about, but I guess you don't understand this until you actually have one. Until you watch a game in the same field house that these legends played and coached. Walk down the street named after and visit the grave site of the inventor of the sport. Look up at the names and championships on the banners.
 
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Which should end despite you probably getting in on name recognition only.
I'd expect a supposed college basketball fan to know better than this. Arizona is getting in because they will go 18-12 with a schedule among the ten toughest in the country and because their RPI is currently #24.
 

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I'd expect a supposed college basketball fan to know better than this. Arizona is getting in because they will go 18-12 with a schedule among the ten toughest in the country and because their RPI is currently #24.

I don't understand why your RPI is so high, though. I think you should be with us in the 40's. Your SOS is extremely high, but you didn't actually beat anyone.
 
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DWKB said:
Which should end despite you probably getting in on name recognition only.
The UA has a Top 10 SOS, #1 Non-conference SOS, Top 25 RPI, #8 Non-conference RPI, 18 overall wins, 11 league wins, no games vs under 200, etc, etc, etc. This is the resume of a tournament team.
 
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I don't understand why your RPI is so high, though. I think you should be with us in the 40's.
RPI is simple math, favoritism or voter bias do not count as part of the equation even though most ASU fans I've talked to you seem to think it does. The reason we're at #24 and KU is lower is because we have played better teams and have mostly avoided damaging home losses. Not to mention we actually beat you guys this season.
 

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RPI is simple math, favoritism or voter bias do not count as part of the equation even though most ASU fans I've talked to you seem to think it does. The reason we're at #24 and KU is lower is because we have played better teams and have mostly avoided damaging home losses. Not to mention we actually beat you guys this season.

Better teams outside of conference, but our Conference RPI is higher than yours. But like I said, you lost to UConn, UNC, Mich St. and even though you played them, a loss is a loss.

I think it has to do with the impression of how you are playing lately, 5-5 in your last 10 with losses to Cal and USC in there.
 

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I don't understand why your RPI is so high, though. I think you should be with us in the 40's. Your SOS is extremely high, but you didn't actually beat anyone.

Not so - I don't like UofA, but Lute did play a tough schedule.

Beat:
Kansas (so KU is nobody?) - Big 12 #1
Virginia
NAU - Big Sky #1
St. Mary's - WCC #2
Utah (at 13-14, worst record among UA's non-conf)
Sam Houston - Southland #2
Western Kentucky - Sun Belt #1

Lost to:
UConn - Big East #1
Mich State
Houston
North Carolina - ACC #2


In contrast, Kansas played and beat
New Orleans (10-19)
Northern Colorado (5-24)
Yale (13-14)
Pepperdine (7-20)
Western Illinois (7-21)

Good wins
Kentucky
California

Losses:
Nevada - WAC #1
Arkansas
Arizona
St. Josephs (15-12)
 
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Better teams outside of conference, but our Conference RPI is higher than yours. But like I said, you lost to UConn, UNC, Mich St. and even though you played them, a loss is a loss.

I think it has to do with the impression of how you are playing lately, 5-5 in your last 10 with losses to Cal and USC in there.
Yeah, but as anyone who follows basketball will tell you a loss against UConn or Michigan State is better than a win against Northern Colorado or Western Illinois.

And the Cal and USC losses (not to mention Oregon and Oregon St) aren't that harmful because they took place away from home.
 

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And the Cal and USC losses (not to mention Oregon and Oregon St) aren't that harmful because they took place away from home.

Which seems counter-intuitive to what you'd want for a tournament team. Road wins should be more important that home losses. You don't play at home in the tournament. Also, the difference between you playing Mich St. and UConn and not us was just because you beat us in the first game of the season. Seems odd that such a swing would occur from one game. We beat you and we lose (but play!) Mich St. and UConn.
 
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Which seems counter-intuitive to what you'd want for a tournament team. Road wins should be more important that home losses. You don't play at home in the tournament.
Wins away from home are very important and Arizona has two solid wins away from McKale - Kansas in Maui and Washington in Seattle. The only decent team KU has beaten outside the state of Kansas is Texas A&M and they're nowhere near as good as the Jayhawks or the Huskies.
 

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Good point on Larry Brown, Russ. UCLA has had a less than stellar record in hiring coaches since Wooden left. Best hire since is the current coach, Howland (courtesy of NAU).

Brown was the best coach UCLA has had since Wooden, the problem is he didn't follow the damn rules. Bartow and Cunningham were good but they were NOT Wooden and at that time, that's all UCLA fans saw. Brown was a terrific coach, took a team of freshmen and sophs to the Title game before losing to Darrell Griffith's Louisville team, but he cheated, got caught, and I'm glad as hell he changed his mind about going back to UCLA later, to this day I can't believe they tried to rehire him after he put us on probation and abandoned ship.

I'll have to look it up, I can't recall why that 88 Kansas title counts, I don't recall it being controversial so I think there IS a valid reason, I just can't think of it at the moment.

Brown is an amazing coach but he's much better off in the NBA where there are no NCAA rules to violate. What I always admired about Larry was his resolve to deny any fault. He took so much flack for hiring Danny Manning's dad at Kansas that for years after everytime he got an NBA job, one of his first hires was Ed manning, as a scout. KU fans used to trot that out as proof that Danny wasn't a package deal with his dad, Ed Manning has been working steadily in the NBA as a scout for years now, that was a legit hiring, conveniently forgetting to mention that for most of the time the guy he worked for was ..... Larry Brown.
 
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The Manning situation is stiill common pratcice in Lawrence. See Mario Chalmers' dad getting promoted from Alaskan high school basketball coach to KU's Director of Basketball Operations. You gotta love college basketball.
 

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Ronnie Chalmers is the newest member of the Kansas men's basketball staff joining KU as the director of basketball operations in June 2005. In this Chalmers will oversee the academic progress of the Jayhawks, work closely with the off-season strength and conditioning program, assist with on-campus recruiting and assist with the day-to-day office operations.

Chalmers comes to KU from Bartlett High School in Anchorage, Alaska, where he was the boys' head basketball coach for the past five seasons. Father of Kansas freshman Mario Chalmers, Ronnie Chalmers registered a 109-28 record and two state championships while at Bartlett. His teams won state titles in 2002 and 2003 and were runner-up in 2004. Prior to Bartlett, Chalmers spent more than 22 years in the U.S. Air Force and brings more than 20 years of basketball coaching experience to KU.

Chalmers earned his bachelor's degree in business administration from Wayland Baptist University and his master's degree in human resource management and development from the University of La Verne (Calif.). His basketball coaching dates back to 1985, including assistant and head coaching stints with Air Force squads as well as high school and summer league teams.

Doesn't sound too controversial to me.
 

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Russ Smith said:
Brown was the best coach UCLA has had since Wooden, the problem is he didn't follow the damn rules. Bartow and Cunningham were good but they were NOT Wooden and at that time, that's all UCLA fans saw. Brown was a terrific coach, took a team of freshmen and sophs to the Title game before losing to Darrell Griffith's Louisville team, but he cheated, got caught, and I'm glad as hell he changed his mind about going back to UCLA later, to this day I can't believe they tried to rehire him after he put us on probation and abandoned ship.

I'll have to look it up, I can't recall why that 88 Kansas title counts, I don't recall it being controversial so I think there IS a valid reason, I just can't think of it at the moment.

Brown is an amazing coach but he's much better off in the NBA where there are no NCAA rules to violate. What I always admired about Larry was his resolve to deny any fault. He took so much flack for hiring Danny Manning's dad at Kansas that for years after everytime he got an NBA job, one of his first hires was Ed manning, as a scout. KU fans used to trot that out as proof that Danny wasn't a package deal with his dad, Ed Manning has been working steadily in the NBA as a scout for years now, that was a legit hiring, conveniently forgetting to mention that for most of the time the guy he worked for was ..... Larry Brown.

Brown might have been the best coach, but you have to factor in his penchant for cheating, which was a long-term detriment to UCLA. That alone, should eliminate him from the best, since he accomplished what he did by cheating.
 

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I wouldn't expect it to.:rolleyes:


Ronnie Chalmers has all the qualifications to be Director of Basketball Relations. The fact that we got him and his son as a package is a bonus, not something that should be considered questionable. Lute would have done the same thing had UA even been a consideration for Chalmers.
 
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So in your opinion the premiere basketball program in the country, one that gave birth to Adolph Rupp and Dean Smith and was the home of James Naismith and Phog Allen, is now in the habit of hiring guys with zero Division I (or II or III or any college for that matter) experience to be the Director of Basketball Operations. Good luck finding anyone outside of Lawrence that believes Ronnie Chalmers' resume wouldn't have been laughed out of the athletic department were it not for his son committing to play for the Jayhawks.

And he did choose Kansas over Arizona and your assertion that Lute would have given such a high profile job to a unqualified recruits' Dad is laughable. Lute ain't perfect, but he's not that shady.
 
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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Looks like Adams will be suspended for the Pac-10 Tournament.
Adams Will Not Play in Pac-10 Tournament
Courtesy: The University of Arizona
Release: 03/06/2006

The University of Arizona athletics department issued the following release at Lute Olson's weekly news conference today (Monday, March 6):

Senior forward Hassan Adams will not accompany the University of Arizona men's basketball team to Los Angeles for its participation in the Pac-10 Tournament, head coach Lute Olson said Monday.

Adams, 21, will not play in any game of UA's appearance in the tournement, due to a violation of a team rules, Olson said.

He will rejoin the team for a potential NCAA Men's Basketball Championships appearance, Olson said. Arizona plays Stanford in the Pac-10 Tournament on Thursday. NCAA competition begins the following week, should UA qualify.

Statement from Hassan Adams:

"I apologize to the team, to the coaches, the university and the fans for my violation of a team rule. I accept the coach's decision to be suspended from the Pac-10 Tournament. I wish the team well and hope for its success. I'm looking forward to participating in the NCAA Tournament if Arizona is invited."
 

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So in your opinion the premiere basketball program in the country, one that gave birth to Adolph Rupp and Dean Smith and was the home of James Naismith and Phog Allen, is now in the habit of hiring guys with zero Division I (or II or III or any college for that matter) experience to be the Director of Basketball Operations. Good luck finding anyone outside of Lawrence that believes Ronnie Chalmers' resume wouldn't have been laughed out of the athletic department were it not for his son committing to play for the Jayhawks.

You'll believe what you want to believe because it makes you feel better about your program.

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And he did choose Kansas over Arizona and your assertion that Lute would have given such a high profile job to a unqualified recruits' Dad is laughable. Lute ain't perfect, but he's not that shady.

Miles Simon, Charles Rodgers, Hassan Adams, yeah, real clean program you've got there. But of course, I'm sure you can write it all of as conspiracy theories or excuse the coach. What's your graduation rate again?
 

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Ronnie Chalmers has all the qualifications to be Director of Basketball Relations. The fact that we got him and his son as a package is a bonus, not something that should be considered questionable. Lute would have done the same thing had UA even been a consideration for Chalmers.

I guess the question is would he even have been considered for that position if his son wasn't a McDonald's AA? If not, then he wasn't qualified for the job he was hired to get his son. It's impossible to answer but there are a lot of HS coaches with similar resumes that Kansas didn't consider for that position.

I knew one of the Kansas kids on the current team had that happen, I couldn't remember which, and that's why I didn't mention that earlier when bringing up the Ed manning deal.

Technically it's against the rules to provide a family member of a prospective recruit employment to enhance a schools chances with recruiting said recruit, that's why schools who do that go to such great lengths to argue the hiring was not related to who the son is.

personally I have a lot more trouble with kansas taking Brandon Rush than I did with them hiring Chalmers' dad. When you consider that Roy dropped JaRon Rush because he questioned his sub patterns on radio when he was still in HS, and then JaRon went off to UCLA, got involved in a huge scandal when it was revealed a KU booster had been paying him and younger brother Kareem money for years, and then JaRon flunked out of UCLA. To this day it amazes me Kansas had the guts to sign Brandon, he was too young to be getting money from Tom Grant, or Myron Piggie, but it still seemed a bit too close to home for me to believe.

Rush tried to go NBA, found out he wouldn't go first round, and then miraculously got his test scores up so the NCAA declared him eligible, of course they investigated the whole mess because it was a pretty big surprise to a lot of schools that Rush passed. Even Tim "I'll recruit anybody" Floyd and USC stopped recruiting Rush when it became apparent to him he'd never qualify at USC, but somehow he was cleared to play at Kansas.

And yes I do know he had a 3.6 GPA first semester at Kansas, and I also know that even he himself admits that was "mainly because of the classes I took", and that he readily admits if he doesn't go pro this year he's going to need a ton of tutoring help to survive at KU next year academically.

Self is everything Roy Williams wasn't, I really liked Roy he was a great coach and he seemed to do things the right way, Self is win at all costs kind of guy I really don't like. Just look at the way he handled the Luther Head crime when he was at Illinois, Bruce Weber took a lot of flack over that but it was Self who didn't kick Head off the team but kicked off a teammate involved in the same crime, who didn't happen to be as good as Luther.

Really surprises me that KU hired a guy like Self, if I had to guess I'd say they'll regret it.
 
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You'll believe what you want to believe because it makes you feel better about your program.
There are fans of a lot of other teams on this board who feel the same way I do about the Chalmers situation. See Russ who's a UCLA guy and his program is better than yours historically. I guess that kind of elimintates that theory.

Miles Simon, Charles Rodgers, Hassan Adams, yeah, real clean program you've got there. But of course, I'm sure you can write it all of as conspiracy theories or excuse the coach. What's your graduation rate again?
When did I say Arizona was spotless? They like nearly every program in the country have had their share of questionable kids but the program has never finds itself on the wrong end of NCAA violations like Kansas (I'm excusing the Roy thing last year as I think the NCAA overreacted). Nor has he ever employed a recruit's father at a position he's not qualified for.

And our graduation rate in basketball is fine. All three players you mentioned will/have earned degrees. Football is a whole other story. And Charles Rogers went to Michigan State.
 
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If a UCLA alum is gonna talk about shady business then it needs to start with Sam Gilbert and finish with Harrick. Not much investigation done back then, but lots of coaches speculate a basketball version of SMU going on there.

As for UCLA being a better program, they've got an incredible decade of unmatched dominance, but didn't really do anything before or after. Is that "better"?
(and what's with a UA fan using a UCLA fan's team to boost his POV? Is this Pac-10 vs. Kansas?)

As far as I know the only controversy regarding Rush is him accepting help from his rich NBA brother who happened to play for our hated rival. This was dismissed as any infractions.

Again, read the description of Chalmer's duties and tell me how he's not qualified. Yes a million ex-HS coaches, former players and military men are out there for this job, so why not hire someone you know and who has an investment in the program already?
 

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If a UCLA alum is gonna talk about shady business then it needs to start with Sam Gilbert and finish with Harrick. Not much investigation done back then, but lots of coaches speculate a basketball version of SMU going on there.

As for UCLA being a better program, they've got an incredible decade of unmatched dominance, but didn't really do anything before or after. Is that "better"?
(and what's with a UA fan using a UCLA fan's team to boost his POV? Is this Pac-10 vs. Kansas?)

As far as I know the only controversy regarding Rush is him accepting help from his rich NBA brother who happened to play for our hated rival. This was dismissed as any infractions.

Again, read the description of Chalmer's duties and tell me how he's not qualified. Yes a million ex-HS coaches, former players and military men are out there for this job, so why not hire someone you know and who has an investment in the program already?

Not at all proud of Gilbert's involvement at UCLA, I will say this, UCLA was far from the only school who had boosters involved with players, they won because they had great talent, and great coaching. They'd already won several titles before Gilbert even got involved, in fact when the NCAA did put UCLA on probation after Brown left they specifically said that while some of violations dated back to Wooden's time as coach, that there was no evidence linking Wooden to the violations. That it was well documented that Wooden and UCLA had repeatedly warned Gilbert to stay away from the kids, but he kept doing it on his own. Doesn't make it right, but it wasn't a case of UCLA asking Gilbert to buy it recruits, Gilbert was just an extremely rich booster who had a distorted perception of what "friend of the program" was supposed to mean. I guess the best defense I can offer for him is that was over 25 years ago.

Believe me I hated Harrick, always did, always will. The very first recruit he ever contacted on behalf of UCLA, Don MacLean, resulted in an NCAA infraction for recruiting during a dead period. There was the whole mess with his son selling Baron Davis' sister a car, not a violation, in fact she paid more than bluebook for the used car, but the son of a coach should be smart enough to know he should avoid such a situation. Luckily Harrick finally got caught up with the Collins twins dinner scandal when assistant Michael holton refused to lie and say his wife attended the dinner. Not only did Harrick break rules, he's also the guy that left us Steve lavin.


the real controversy with Brandon Rush is that he attended 4 highschools including Mt Zion in NC which is kind of notorious for taking kids with bad grades and giving them good grades. They're one of the schools the NCAA is currently cracking down on, there's a bunch of those basketball factories that the NCAA is essentially "decertifying" so they will no longer count towards meeting NCAA requirements because the NCAA has determined they're not legitimately educating kids. I think IMG academy is on the same list, it's a prep school and ironically if Rush didn't get into Kansas, he was going to prep at IMG. Rush was already 20 when he signed with Kansas so if he'd wound up at IMG he was going straight from there to the NBA. rush made it perfectly clear in recruiting he was at most a 2 year player, probably 1. Illinois and Indiana were also involved with him as was USC until they decided he was never going to qualify. Apparently older brother Kareem is telling him to stay his soph year but Brandon himself recently admitted if he does, it'll take a lot of tutors and assistance because he realizes he can't take the same kind of classes next year as he has this year.

Believe me Brandon Rush is far from the only kid pretending to be a student in college basketball, I fully realize that. I'm just saying given the family history with Kansas, and the NCAA in general, I was amazed they actually signed the kid. I'd say if Kansas isn't in trouble with the NCAA in 5 years under Self it'll be a big shock to me. Self has in short time hired the dad of a recruit, signed Rush, and signed Micah downs who along with his dad was such a notorious jerk that a lot of schools just flat out stopped recruiting him. it came as no surprise to anybody when Downs transferred out midseason citing personal reasons at home. It just seems to me that Self is taking a lot of risks in who he's recruiting to KU, although I do really like Julian Wright I've read a lot about him and he seems to be one of those kids that truly understands what student athlete is supposed to mean. I just wish Self was recruiting more kids like Wright.
 

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Not at all proud of Gilbert's involvement at UCLA, I will say this, UCLA was far from the only school who had boosters involved with players, they won because they had great talent, and great coaching. They'd already won several titles before Gilbert even got involved, in fact when the NCAA did put UCLA on probation after Brown left they specifically said that while some of violations dated back to Wooden's time as coach, that there was no evidence linking Wooden to the violations. That it was well documented that Wooden and UCLA had repeatedly warned Gilbert to stay away from the kids, but he kept doing it on his own. Doesn't make it right, but it wasn't a case of UCLA asking Gilbert to buy it recruits, Gilbert was just an extremely rich booster who had a distorted perception of what "friend of the program" was supposed to mean. I guess the best defense I can offer for him is that was over 25 years ago.

Believe me I hated Harrick, always did, always will. The very first recruit he ever contacted on behalf of UCLA, Don MacLean, resulted in an NCAA infraction for recruiting during a dead period. There was the whole mess with his son selling Baron Davis' sister a car, not a violation, in fact she paid more than bluebook for the used car, but the son of a coach should be smart enough to know he should avoid such a situation. Luckily Harrick finally got caught up with the Collins twins dinner scandal when assistant Michael holton refused to lie and say his wife attended the dinner. Not only did Harrick break rules, he's also the guy that left us Steve lavin.


the real controversy with Brandon Rush is that he attended 4 highschools including Mt Zion in NC which is kind of notorious for taking kids with bad grades and giving them good grades. They're one of the schools the NCAA is currently cracking down on, there's a bunch of those basketball factories that the NCAA is essentially "decertifying" so they will no longer count towards meeting NCAA requirements because the NCAA has determined they're not legitimately educating kids. I think IMG academy is on the same list, it's a prep school and ironically if Rush didn't get into Kansas, he was going to prep at IMG. Rush was already 20 when he signed with Kansas so if he'd wound up at IMG he was going straight from there to the NBA. rush made it perfectly clear in recruiting he was at most a 2 year player, probably 1. Illinois and Indiana were also involved with him as was USC until they decided he was never going to qualify. Apparently older brother Kareem is telling him to stay his soph year but Brandon himself recently admitted if he does, it'll take a lot of tutors and assistance because he realizes he can't take the same kind of classes next year as he has this year.

Believe me Brandon Rush is far from the only kid pretending to be a student in college basketball, I fully realize that. I'm just saying given the family history with Kansas, and the NCAA in general, I was amazed they actually signed the kid. I'd say if Kansas isn't in trouble with the NCAA in 5 years under Self it'll be a big shock to me. Self has in short time hired the dad of a recruit, signed Rush, and signed Micah downs who along with his dad was such a notorious jerk that a lot of schools just flat out stopped recruiting him. it came as no surprise to anybody when Downs transferred out midseason citing personal reasons at home. It just seems to me that Self is taking a lot of risks in who he's recruiting to KU, although I do really like Julian Wright I've read a lot about him and he seems to be one of those kids that truly understands what student athlete is supposed to mean. I just wish Self was recruiting more kids like Wright.

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That was well written Russ....
 
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