Have we changed or upgraded our team at all yet?

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Well two division championships, conference title and SB appearance beats the ever loving snot out or anything this team has accomplished in the previous 30 years.

So make your cute 5-11 season comparisons and WL record stat (Which is still a huge upgrade over the previous years in Sun Devil Stadium) but you an I both know this team is better since Michael has come on board.

So what? You need to raise your standards. I swear we have the only fans in the NFL that are content with winning 2-3 times every 30 years. Guys like you are the reason the Cards never win. Because there are less than 100 people in the world that care whether the Cards win or lose. There's no pressure on the organization or the players to win because you guys are so dang codependent. You go 10-6 in Philly they want to run you out of town. You go 10-6 in Arizona you're the greatest coach in franchise history.

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So what? You need to raise your standards. I swear we have the only fans in the NFL that are content with winning 2-3 times every 30 years. Guys like you are the reason the Cards never win. Because there are less than 100 people in the world that care whether the Cards win or lose. There's no pressure on the organization or the players to win because you guys are so dang codependent. You go 10-6 in Philly they want to run you out of town. You go 10-6 in Arizona you're the greatest coach in franchise history.

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Go ahead and :bang: all you want and if it makes you feel better to blame me for the Cards suckiness for that stretch go ahead.

Or you can get over yourself and see that things have changed. No we are not the Steelers or Pats yet but the improvement is beyond argument unless you just enjoy :bang::bang::bang:

And yes Whiz just might be the greatest coach in our franchise history. Let's see some of your famous trivia and stats posts that show what this team has accomplished since Whiz has been the HC. You've done it before so do it now.
 

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Go ahead and :bang: all you want and if it makes you feel better to blame me for the Cards suckiness for that stretch go ahead.

Or you can get over yourself and see that things have changed. No we are not the Steelers or Pats yet but the improvement is beyond argument unless you just enjoy :bang::bang::bang:

And yes Whiz just might be the greatest coach in our franchise history. Let's see some of your famous trivia and stats posts that show what this team has accomplished since Whiz has been the HC. You've done it before so do it now.

OK how about going from scoring 427 points to scoring 289 in only two seasons. How about failing to score 30 points in at least one game for the first time since the abysmal season of 2003. Things have changed? 5-11 isn't anything new. Having a pitiful offensive line isn't anything new.

Greatest coach in our history! Talk to me when CKW has a stretch where he has 31 wins and only 13 losses.
 

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OK how about going from scoring 427 points to scoring 289 in only two seasons. How about failing to score 30 points in at least one game for the first time since the abysmal season of 2003. Things have changed? 5-11 isn't anything new. Having a pitiful offensive line isn't anything new.

Greatest coach in our history! Talk to me when CKW has a stretch where he has 31 wins and only 13 losses.

So yes Don Coryell is why I stated Whiz might be the best HC in franchise history. Coryell revoluzionized the passing game in the NFL and should be in the Hall of Fame IMO. The reason he isn't is because his playoff winning % was not good and he never got to the SB.

While throwing out that 5-11 isn't anything new you don't mention Coryell's
4-9-1 record. His last year he was 7-7.

If forced to pick at this point who was the best Cards HC in the modern era I would pick Coryell but it's almost a coin flip for me.
 

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So what? You need to raise your standards. I swear we have the only fans in the NFL that are content with winning 2-3 times every 30 years. Guys like you are the reason the Cards never win. Because there are less than 100 people in the world that care whether the Cards win or lose. There's no pressure on the organization or the players to win because you guys are so dang codependent. You go 10-6 in Philly they want to run you out of town. You go 10-6 in Arizona you're the greatest coach in franchise history.

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eh, Detroit probably celebrates a mediocre season as much as we do (or did, until they got like 19 1st overall picks in a row). Or we could cross sports and look at the Cubs. Oddly as it may seem being a Cards fan, we're not the most pathetic pro sports team out there...

and on a side note, isn't Whiz the most winning coach in franchise history?
 
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I think we are placing too much emphasis on getting the OL in round 1. Unless Reiff falls to us or we move up to get him, I don't feel it that necessary to address the OL in round 1. There are many starting OTs in the league that are decent enough that were drafted in later rounds. I could see Reiff and DeCastro being at the top of our board, but after that there will be many impact defensive players for us to choose from at 13 that will make the better half of our team even better.

I feel comfortable using our 3rd round pick selecting the highest rated OLman still on the board....someone like Jeff Allen, Mitchell Schwartz, Keleche Osemele, or anyone who drops that far down. A lot of these guards and tackles rated in the low 80s or high 70s would improve and add depth to our line.

Our whole offense is still in question. And getting a premium guard or tackle is a start to improve it. Anything less than that isn't going to make that much difference overall to our anemic offense. Until we see a productive QB back there, which could take a few years, our defense will be what wins and keeps us in games. So let's make it even better with an Upshaw, Ingram, Kuechly, or even a Barron. I won't mind having a famous D associated with us in the desert, ie. the Steel Curtain, '85 Bears, etc.

One more thing: Why do we keep letting our #2 WR leave our team? Most teams are moving up to grab an impact second receiver, and we let them go like it is easy to replace them. That doesn't help our QB situation.
 
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One more thing: Why do we keep letting our #2 WR leave our team? Most teams are moving up to grab an impact second receiver, and we let them go like it is easy to replace them. That doesn't help our QB situation.
well in all fairness, I'd trade Roberts for a large #13 at Jack in the Box. And I don't even know what a #13 is. But Q and Breaston, completely agreed
 

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eh, Detroit probably celebrates a mediocre season as much as we do (or did, until they got like 19 1st overall picks in a row). Or we could cross sports and look at the Cubs. Oddly as it may seem being a Cards fan, we're not the most pathetic pro sports team out there...

and on a side note, isn't Whiz the most winning coach in franchise history?

Sadly CKW isn't even a winning coach in regular season. 40-40. Charley Winner was 35-30 and Coryell was 42-27. CKW has won more games counting playoffs than any other Cardinal coach with 44. By comparison Tomlin in Pittsburgh has 60 wins in the same time frame
 

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Sadly CKW isn't even a winning coach in regular season. 40-40. Charley Winner was 35-30 and Coryell was 42-27. CKW has won more games counting playoffs than any other Cardinal coach with 44. By comparison Tomlin in Pittsburgh has 60 wins in the same time frame

However you failed to mention that Tomlin inherited a superbowl caliber team when he took over.
 

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I think we are placing too much emphasis on getting the OL in round 1.....
The lack of offseason actions to upgrade both tackle positions has painted us into a corner where, at the very least, there's intense pressure for us to do just that.

Doesn't mean we should. Doesn't mean we will. But that's where it's at.
 

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i am very happy with Levi returning, Snyder is versatile, our problem with the Oline is the worse OC in the NFL, and lack of rush attempts with too many pass attempts.

Kolb was hurt because of it, Kurt retired, Hall- DA- skelton is huge and tough and young, but damn it if we don't balance it up lijke a pro football team, all our QB's will die a withering death- our oline will be blamed and our RB will be dogged after a 1000 yard season like Beanie and Edge!

That is on fans , for cheering and buying into BS!


I don't see how anyone can look at our OL situation and not be pessimistic. It isn't pretty right now, and we have little reason to think that will change.



Problem is, we desperately need at the very least a RT that is a solid pro starter right now. We need that at LT, really, in order to slide Levi over to RT where his poor play will hurt us less, but at the least, we need that RT. Snyder is basically a Keith at RT, so he should be playing RG. What prospects will be available at 13 that you can plug right in at OT and be set from day 1? None.
 

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Sadly CKW isn't even a winning coach in regular season. 40-40. Charley Winner was 35-30 and Coryell was 42-27. CKW has won more games counting playoffs than any other Cardinal coach with 44. By comparison Tomlin in Pittsburgh has 60 wins in the same time frame
ok. So he is technically the most winning coach then? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I just read it somewhere but wasn't sure how true it was. I understand you guys want more from this team, so do I. Just trying to stay optimistic. We're no longer the worst team, our division is no longer the worst division. At least now we watch games hoping to win, not hoping to not lose...
 

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ok. So he is technically the most winning coach then? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I just read it somewhere but wasn't sure how true it was. I understand you guys want more from this team, so do I. Just trying to stay optimistic. We're no longer the worst team, our division is no longer the worst division. At least now we watch games hoping to win, not hoping to not lose...
Yes -- Whisenhunt has most wins in AZ history, but the same cannot be said about his win %.
 

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Tomlins team had recent superbowls.

Whiz team was terrible until he came.

The Cardinals were loaded with talent when Whisenhunt arrived. Super Bowl caliber talent. Or was that some other Cardinal team that went to the SB with mostly players who were on the roster in 2006?
 

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The Cardinals were loaded with talent when Whisenhunt arrived. Super Bowl caliber talent. Or was that some other Cardinal team that went to the SB with mostly players who were on the roster in 2006?


loaded with talent and had horrid records the last 2 years under denny. I didnt say they didnt have talent. I said they were a horrible TEAM.
 

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loaded with talent and had horrid records the last 2 years under denny. I didnt say they didnt have talent. I said they were a horrible TEAM.

You disagreed with me when I said they were a Super Bowl caliber team. Which they were. They just had a Pop Warner caliber coaching staff. That 2006 team was every bit as talented as the 2008 team. They just got two horrendous blows that killed their season. The fumbled snap vs the Rams and Rackers miss vs the Bears.
 

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You disagreed with me when I said they were a Super Bowl caliber team. Which they were. They just had a Pop Warner caliber coaching staff. That 2006 team was every bit as talented as the 2008 team. They just got two horrendous blows that killed their season. The fumbled snap vs the Rams and Rackers miss vs the Bears.

Originally Posted by BigRedRage
Tomlins team had recent superbowls.

Whiz team was terrible until he came


is what I said. No, we were not super bowl caliber - because of coaching. My point is - whiz took the great talent to the game. I wasnt disagreeing with much except the comparison of the team tomlin got vs the team whiz got. Tomlins team was super bowl ready in every aspect. We were not.
 

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is what I said. No, we were not super bowl caliber - because of coaching. My point is - whiz took the great talent to the game. I wasnt disagreeing with much except the comparison of the team tomlin got vs the team whiz got. Tomlins team was super bowl ready in every aspect. We were not.

That doesn't make sense. Both teams got new Head Coaches. Both teams had SB caliber rosters. 4 years later the Cards are 5-11 and one of the worst teams in the NFL and the Steelers are 12-4 and back in the Super Bowl with the same head coaches.

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That doesn't make sense. Both teams got new Head Coaches. Both teams had SB caliber rosters. 4 years later the Cards are 5-11 and one of the worst teams in the NFL and the Steelers are 12-4 and back in the Super Bowl with the same coaches.

However, when you look at it what they inherited in 2007 really isn't relevant to how they performed in 2010.


Pittsburgh was a perrenial winner, had won a recent super bowl and was in the playoffs yearly. We were....5-11? 6-10? makes perfect sense to me but no use arguing.

Besides that, was not commenting on anything about 2010.

If you want to talk 2010 I have two words for you.

Rod Graves.

wait wait four more words

Loss of franchise quarterback.
 

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Pittsburgh was a perrenial winner, had won a recent super bowl and was in the playoffs yearly. We were....5-11? 6-10? makes perfect sense to me but no use arguing.

Besides that, was not commenting on anything about 2010.

If you want to talk 2010 I have two words for you.

Rod Graves.

wait wait four more words

Loss of franchise quarterback.

Here's another two words that cover decisions made going into 2010.

Impending lockout.
 

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Pittsburgh was a perrenial winner, had won a recent super bowl and was in the playoffs yearly. We were....5-11? 6-10? makes perfect sense to me but no use arguing.

Besides that, was not commenting on anything about 2010.

If you want to talk 2010 I have two words for you.

Rod Graves.

wait wait four more words

Loss of franchise quarterback.

Sorry, my bringing up 2010 really wasn't relevant to what each coach inherited when he took over in 2007.

Pittsburgh was 8-8 in 2006 not exactly SB contenders. You want to talk about inheriting a crap team look at what Denny Green had to work with. In just two seasons he had stocked the cupboard with the majority of players CKW took to the SB. Whisenhunt wasn't handed a bag full of sheep manure like Denny was. He got Warner, Fitz, Boldin,Rolle, Berry Dansby Dockett et al.

A roster every bit as good as what Tomlin got. Proof? We came within 2 minutes of beating them in the SB. Whisenhunt inherited a Super Bowl caliber roster.
 
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