Having a Real Hard Time Talking Myself into the 2011 Cardinals

[Duckjake]

Good post carrrnuttt. Believe me, there are a lot of people on this board who feel just exactly like you do. We know this team has negatives, just as all 31 other NFL teams have. Rather than dwell on them, we dwell on the positives. Hope springs eternal. This team could catch lightning in a bottle and end up in the SB. Anything is possible and karma only works for those who believe in themselves.

Nonsense.

Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of mathematics knows that a Negative times a Negative is a Positive. So the more TIMES you are Negative the more POSITIVE results you get.

Or does that only work in golf? I don't know for sure.

 

[earthsci]

Nonsense.

Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of mathematics knows that a Negative times a Negative is a Positive. So the more TIMES you are Negative the more POSITIVE results you get.

No. An odd number of negatives multiplied equal a negative. Even numbers of negatives equal positives, so keep it even Duck!!

 

[crisper57]

I am having the same problem, but hey, I felt the same way about the D-Backs in spring training.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Peterson(on returns) is our Randall Cobb...and look what he did last night.

QB play will give us or to me is worth almost 5 more wins. I really believe that the chemistry and happy factor is worth 3 games.

How many times did DA last year suck the life out of us and the players in the first quarter alone!!??!! How many times did Fitz run wide open and watch the ball sail 10 yards in any direction away from him? How many times did he get mad?! I bet more than he caught. How many times did the offense get mad? How many times do you think Darnell Dockett said" This is BULL___ to his defense."

Everyone here has said(in fact everyone in football) that the Colts will win 2-5 games this year without manning. And they have a QB that 2 years ago went like 12-2 when he started for the Titans. Is Kolb as good as Manning...No....but I bet he is 70% within Manning. I think our roster is 30% better than the Colts player to player....So iF Manning is worth 8-9 wins...then Kolb should be atleast worth 5 more wins. And if you factor HOW BAD DA was....maybe even more.

 

[Duckjake]

Peterson(on returns) is our Randall Cobb...and look what he did last night.

QB play will give us or to me is worth almost 5 more wins. I really believe that the chemistry and happy factor is worth 3 games.

How many times did DA last year suck the life out of us and the players in the first quarter alone!!??!! How many times did Fitz run wide open and watch the ball sail 10 yards in any direction away from him? How many times did he get mad?! I bet more than he caught. How many times did the offense get mad? How many times do you think Darnell Dockett said" This is BULL___ to his defense."

Everyone here has said(in fact everyone in football) that the Colts will win 2-5 games this year without manning. And they have a QB that 2 years ago went like 12-2 when he started for the Titans. Is Kolb as good as Manning...No....but I bet he is 70% within Manning. I think our roster is 30% better than the Colts player to player....So iF Manning is worth 8-9 wins...then Kolb should be atleast worth 5 more wins. And if you factor HOW BAD DA was....maybe even more.

Well we are all hanging our hopes for the 2011 season on the Cardinals having had horrendous quartebacking. Let's hope its true.

As for Kerry Collins, he doesn't have Jeff Fischer and the Titans defense and running game in Indy.

 

[Duckjake]

No. An odd number of negatives multiplied equal a negative. Even numbers of negatives equal positives, so keep it even Duck!!

Wow. Earthsci is John Nash. Awesome. Always thought there was more than one person posting under your screen name.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Nucka

 

[Rivercard]

We were 5-11 last year playing the stinktacular AFC West and the improving NFC South. This year we play the improving NFC East and the dominant AFC North

Based on last year's win %'s, the Cardinals will have the easiest schedule in the league this year.

 

[kerouac9]

Based on last year's win %'s, the Cardinals will have the easiest schedule in the league this year.

Because our entire division was sub-.500 and we play a last-place schedule from 2010. If you think that the NFC East is going to be a cakewalk and the AFC North is on a steep decline, more power to you.

But I bet that at least two teams from each division go 4-0 against the NFC West and win more than 10 games.

 

[THESMEL]

Think of it like this

Beanie has 100 yards- Cards win the game
Beanie has 10- 100 yard games amd we win the weak division and go to the playoffs.


It is no different than any traditional game/season I have seen in the last 40+ years.
What was not traditional was what we seen with KW 70% passing in 08 and 09. It was great, don't get stuck on it , it is over.

Don't hold Kolb to tthat standard or you will be even more didappointed than with Matt Leinart.
The holiday from fundemental football is over. PGC-RGC gone, the fat lady sang last year. Now feed the Bean and count your blessings.

Based on last year's win %'s, the Cardinals will have the easiest schedule in the league this year.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't think we wanted Cody instead of Big Dan at all, we just wanted a real NT and Cody was the guy most people knew about. So Cody got the most attention on ASFN.

I remember seeing quite a few posters still bitch about drafting D. Williams instead of taking Cody in round 2 (and not taking Washington).

Either way, my point remains. A NT still has to be in shape to be effective.

 

[kerouac9]

Sigh.

The other thing for me is that I think that turnover fatigue is really starting to fit in. For a long time, you could argue that the departures of guys like Ray Thompson, L.J. Shelton, Ronald McKinnon, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Marcel Shipp, etc., were good for the team because whomever replaces them couldn't possibly be worse than the guys who left. Even David Boston probably wore out his welcome here, and Thomas Jones was never going to get used the right way here or been motivated to be the player he became after he left.

I was even willing to give the new coaching staff the benefit of the doubt on Leonard Davis, because Russ Grimm came in with such a great rep. Five years later, it seems pretty clear that Davis was exactly what this team looks for in a LT (big, doesn't have to run much), and we wasted five years trying to get Levi Brown as good as Leonard Davis at either tackle position (and he's still not there).

But in the last two years we've seen good players leave for nothing and they were replaced with players who were inferior. My favorite players on the Super Bowl team were Dansby, Fitz, Dockett, Wilson, and Deuce. I bought a Matt Leinart jersey the day that we drafted him, and a Rolle jersey was my first "new" jersey. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie was my wife's favorite player and electrifying to watch his first two seasons.

Now two of my favorite players are gone, Wilson is clearly on the downside of his career, and Deuce is riding pine for a guy who was at best non-descript in the preseason and wasn't good enough to start last year. This coaching staff has no credibility with me on the issue of player acquisition and development. I can't get excited for Kevin Kolb until he actually does something against someone good (completing 62% of his passes and moving the offense Sunday would be a good start) and I'm skeptical of Daryl Washington in this system right now (BTW--there would probably no bigger beneficiary of a Tampa-2 conversion than Washington; this coaching staff continues to try and fit square pegs into round holes). Calais Campbell is poised to leave in free agency next year.

Oh, and Dan Williams is fat and getting pushed for playing time by a 7th round pick from UCLA who wasn't even listed in a ton of draft guides. Every unknown draft pick can't be a steal, and it's frequently a bad sign when all of your draft picks make the roster.

I don't think that an 8-8 record wins the division this year, and I think that people are criminally underrating the 49ers. Alex Smith is an average quarterback right now by all statistical measures, and he does have weapons in the passing game in Crabtree, Edwards, and Vernon Davis. They play their toughest AFC North games (Baltimore and Pittsburgh) at home this year.

The "All In" Arizona Cardinals could end up in 3rd place in the NFC West, and I'm not looking forward to the litany of excuses that will come mid-season (lockout, Kolb's still becoming familiar with the offense, injuries in the secondary, new Defensive Coordinator, Joey Porter is at least trying hard, etc., etc.).

 

[kerouac9]

I remember seeing quite a few posters still bitch about drafting D. Williams instead of taking Cody in round 2 (and not taking Washington).

Either way, my point remains. A NT still has to be in shape to be effective.

Who did people want in Round 1? Jerry Hughes?

I'm not sure where you're getting your info on Terrance Cody. I'm looking at the Ravens website and I'm seeing things like this:

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2011/09/05/2011-ravens-roster-breakdown/

Terrence Cody: In his second season, Cody will step in for Kelly Gregg as the starter at nose tackle. He’s a massive run stuffer who is also athletic enough to push the pocket.

It's not like Kelly Gregg was some stiff. He was an anchor for that line for a long time.

 

[Duckjake]

I don't remember anyone bitching about Williams.

We love Big Dan. Except for Shane who hates Dan and Duece because they get more doughnuts than he does.

I think its just you being your usual antagonistic self trying to stir things up.

 

[187]

I agree with everything you've said except the shape stuff. Nose Tackles have to be big boys. The bigger the better in my opinion. They have 600+ pounds of offensive linemen leaning on them most plays. The reason he isn't getting moved backwards like Robinson is that he does eat a lot.

I was referring to his ability to stay on the field for more than two snaps and not needing oxygen. I heard last night that Raji played some ridiculous amount of snaps last season. If he can do it so can Dan (as the season progresses). We at least need him out there on running downs. Carter appears to good at shooting a gap and disrupting the pocket so I won't have issues with him spelling dan out in passing situations.

 

[Shane]

I don't remember anyone bitching about Williams.

We love Big Dan. Except for Shane who hates Dan and Duece because they get more doughnuts than he does.

I think its just you being your usual antagonistic self trying to stir things up.

I love Big Dan!

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Sigh.

The other thing for me is that I think that turnover fatigue is really starting to fit in. For a long time, you could argue that the departures of guys like Ray Thompson, L.J. Shelton, Ronald McKinnon, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Marcel Shipp, etc., were good for the team because whomever replaces them couldn't possibly be worse than the guys who left. Even David Boston probably wore out his welcome here, and Thomas Jones was never going to get used the right way here or been motivated to be the player he became after he left.

I was even willing to give the new coaching staff the benefit of the doubt on Leonard Davis, because Russ Grimm came in with such a great rep. Five years later, it seems pretty clear that Davis was exactly what this team looks for in a LT (big, doesn't have to run much), and we wasted five years trying to get Levi Brown as good as Leonard Davis at either tackle position (and he's still not there).

But in the last two years we've seen good players leave for nothing and they were replaced with players who were inferior. My favorite players on the Super Bowl team were Dansby, Fitz, Dockett, Wilson, and Deuce. I bought a Matt Leinart jersey the day that we drafted him, and a Rolle jersey was my first "new" jersey. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie was my wife's favorite player and electrifying to watch his first two seasons.

Now two of my favorite players are gone, Wilson is clearly on the downside of his career, and Deuce is riding pine for a guy who was at best non-descript in the preseason and wasn't good enough to start last year. This coaching staff has no credibility with me on the issue of player acquisition and development. I can't get excited for Kevin Kolb until he actually does something against someone good (completing 62% of his passes and moving the offense Sunday would be a good start) and I'm skeptical of Daryl Washington in this system right now (BTW--there would probably no bigger beneficiary of a Tampa-2 conversion than Washington; this coaching staff continues to try and fit square pegs into round holes). Calais Campbell is poised to leave in free agency next year.

Oh, and Dan Williams is fat and getting pushed for playing time by a 7th round pick from UCLA who wasn't even listed in a ton of draft guides. Every unknown draft pick can't be a steal, and it's frequently a bad sign when all of your draft picks make the roster.

I don't think that an 8-8 record wins the division this year, and I think that people are criminally underrating the 49ers. Alex Smith is an average quarterback right now by all statistical measures, and he does have weapons in the passing game in Crabtree, Edwards, and Vernon Davis. They play their toughest AFC North games (Baltimore and Pittsburgh) at home this year.

The "All In" Arizona Cardinals could end up in 3rd place in the NFC West, and I'm not looking forward to the litany of excuses that will come mid-season (lockout, Kolb's still becoming familiar with the offense, injuries in the secondary, new Defensive Coordinator, Joey Porter is at least trying hard, etc., etc.).

Eh, all this makes sense, and logically, I agree with most of what you're saying. I'm terrified by our OLB's and tackles, and think they are gaping holes.

That being said, too late to do anything about it now. Time to strap in, take advantage of our weak schedule and win the weakest division in football!!! Who's with me?

 

[40yearfan]

Nonsense.

Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of mathematics knows that a Negative times a Negative is a Positive. So the more TIMES you are Negative the more POSITIVE results you get.

Or does that only work in golf? I don't know for sure.

You must be a politician.

 

[Duckjake]

You must be a politician.

40 you are 97 years old and still don't know the difference between a Mathematician and a Politician.

Unreal.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The "All In" Arizona Cardinals could end up in 3rd place in the NFC West, and I'm not looking forward to the litany of excuses that will come mid-season (lockout, Kolb's still becoming familiar with the offense, injuries in the secondary, new Defensive Coordinator, Joey Porter is at least trying hard, etc., etc.).

Perhaps instead of dreading the litany of excuses that will come mid-season you could acknowledge that concerns over the lockout, Kolb's unfamiliarity with both the offense AND his role as starter in addition to a brand new coordinator have already made the rounds here over the past few weeks.

I think they are all very legitimate concerns and I would find it very convenient (and not a little bit disingenuous if someone were to attack "our reasons" at midseason as if we were just digging up excuses to cover a poor start. If you must go that route you should at least give us credit for making our excuses in advance. As for the "Joey Porter is at least trying hard" excuse, feel free to rage at whomever offers that one come midseason. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it though, as excuses go it's pretty laughable.

Steve

 

[MrYeahBut]

Eh, all this makes sense, and logically, I agree with most of what you're saying. I'm terrified by our OLB's and tackles, and think they are gaping holes.

That being said, too late to do anything about it now. Time to strap in, take advantage of our weak schedule and win the weakest division in football!!! Who's with me?

I'm on board...this is what I am hoping for too.


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[Catfish]

Eh, all this makes sense, and logically, I agree with most of what you're saying. I'm terrified by our OLB's and tackles, and think they are gaping holes.

That being said, too late to do anything about it now. Time to strap in, take advantage of our weak schedule and win the weakest division in football!!! Who's with me?

I'm with you Chris. It's time to put the mouthpiece in and strap on the helmet. Go Cards !!!!!

 

[40yearfan]

40 you are 97 years old and still don't know the difference between a Mathematician and a Politician.

Unreal.

Sure I do. One uses numbers that only he can understand and the other is a mathematician.

BTW, I refuse to divulge my real age on here, but if you go by miles, 97 wouldn't even scratch the surface.

 

[ArizonaGrl]

Panthers GOING DOWN

The panthers have not chance with us this season (not that they ever did). Looks whats going around on their sites! LOL. //bit.ly/mQBpvL
What a joke! They have no fans, no talent and even their own are bashing them. Sorry Cam, you're not going to be able to save them!! Holla!

 

[kerouac9]

Perhaps instead of dreading the litany of excuses that will come mid-season you could acknowledge that concerns over the lockout, Kolb's unfamiliarity with both the offense AND his role as starter in addition to a brand new coordinator have already made the rounds here over the past few weeks.

I think they are all very legitimate concerns and I would find it very convenient (and not a little bit disingenuous if someone were to attack "our reasons" at midseason as if we were just digging up excuses to cover a poor start. If you must go that route you should at least give us credit for making our excuses in advance. As for the "Joey Porter is at least trying hard" excuse, feel free to rage at whomever offers that one come midseason. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it though, as excuses go it's pretty laughable.

Steve

How many teams in the NFL were affected by the lockout? 32.

How many teams in the NFL are starting different quarterbacks in 2011 than they did in 2010? 9 (and that's not counting guys like Matt Stafford, Colt McCoy, Jason Campbell, Mike Vick, and Alex Smith who either missed large portions of the season or were benched/not starting at points throughout the year).

How did Aaron Rodgers do when he came off the bench into a starting role? How about Phillip Rivers? Did they play below-average when they had only played in or started a handful of games? How about Tony Romo? He was an undrafted free agent and only sat for three years before being named the starter.

How many teams in the NFC West have new coordinators on one side of the ball or another? All four of them.

How many teams in the NFL have all new coaching staffs? Five, and that doesn't count teams where they promoted coordinators like the Vikings, Raiders, and Cowboys.

They are excuses, not reasons. Every team in the NFL has issues heading into the season. Every team has turnover (although 28 teams in the NFL had less turnover than the Arizona Cardinals over the last two years). Every team had to prepare a roster on short notice.

The Cards play four (FOUR!) tune-up games to begin the season against squads that should be no worse than even against them. If the Cards don't come out of the first month of the season at least 3-1, then there are going to be problems this year. And there aren't any excuses for that.