Hawks @ Suns game thread 1-2-18

[ColdPickleNachos]

Slin would be proud about chriss.

I always found his evaluations concerning players in the draft to be mostly accurate less some bias.

However, the worry is he is right on Bender. Hope he is wrong on this one.

Well, considering we seemed collectively ready to get rid of Chriss as recently as a week ago, I'll hold out hope for Bender to turn it around. But if he's not an all-star by 22, I'm done with him!

If I remember correctly, Slin was pretty low on Porzingis as recently as last summer, so that bodes well haha

 

[BC867]

The way things are going, the Suns are going to have a hard time competing for a top draft pick, but it's nice to see the young core lead a gutsy victory.

I agree. Building a winning mentality is our top priority to moving up. Discovering which of our young guys show potential is next. And, if we don't luck out in the draft, it's up to the Front Office to use our abundance of young players to pick up some mid-career role players.

I think our immediate priority is finding a rotation that doesn't force us to play catchup every game. That can wear down a team. We had to go on a roll at the end of both halves (as we've done recently in 4th quarters) to win tonight. That is not the way to train young players.

 

[SirStefan32]

They need a point guard who can shoot and defend. That is one gigantic whole in the starting lineup. They may need a Center next year as well, but they really need a competent point guard.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think the big takeaway here is that Slinslin is always right.













(Bracing for backlash from those who don't read here that I'm being facetious)

You know he might not be able to post here but he is still lurking. He is reading this right now.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

You know he might not be able to post here but he is still lurking. He is reading this right now.

I'm cool with that. I like Slin as a poster; I think he has a lot of good insight. But I'm always going to poke (hopefully harmless) fun at those who regard subjective matters with certainty. Not meant to be an attack, and Slin (if you are indeed reading this) please do not take it as such.

I just thought it was funny that the heated argument that caused problems was about him saying Chriss is clearly better than Bender and then all of a sudden Chriss starts to break through as Bender takes a step back.

 

[elindholm]

I'm cool with that. I like Slin as a poster; I think he has a lot of good insight. But I'm always going to poke fun at those who regard subjective matters with certainty. Not meant to be an attack, and Slin (if you are indeed reading this) please do not take it as such.

Slinslin is gone. Only his ghost continues to Haunt us.

To be honest, I understand his frustration. Certain things are subjective and certain things aren't. It's hard to have a discussion when people refuse to agree that some things are objective.

"Two plus two is four."
"I think it's five."
"You're wrong. I can cite many sources saying that it's four."
"It's just an opinion. I'm entitled to mine just as you are entitled to yours."
"The sum of two plus two is not a matter of opinion. It is a mathematical fact. It is foolish to argue for anything other than four."
"Well, I saw a two and a two together and they looked like five to me. I guess we're just seeing different things."
"No we aren't. What you are seeing is contrary to fact."

And so on.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Slinslin is gone. Only his ghost continues to Haunt us.

To be honest, I understand his frustration. Certain things are subjective and certain things aren't. It's hard to have a discussion when people refuse to agree that some things are objective.

"Two plus two is four."
"I think it's five."
"You're wrong. I can cite many sources saying that it's four."
"It's just an opinion. I'm entitled to mine just as you are entitled to yours."
"The sum of two plus two is not a matter of opinion. It is a mathematical fact. It is foolish to argue for anything other than four."
"Well, I saw a two and a two together and they looked like five to me. I guess we're just seeing different things."
"No we aren't. What you are seeing is contrary to fact."

And so on.

Totally agree on that. However, the superior player between Chriss and Bender is certainly not on the list of objective truths.

I'll stipulate that "subjective matters" refers to things that are truly deserving of the subjective title. We're not talking global warming here though; we're parsing stats of two struggling 20-year-olds.

 

[Errntknght]

If I remember correctly, Slin was pretty low on Porzingis as recently as last summer, so that bodes well haha

Slinslin favored athleticism over most anything else a player might have. That kind of explains his takes on Chriss, Bender and even Porzingis. He also had great faith in RPM stats - and faith is what they require as the math is too complex to foster understanding.

 

[Phrazbit]

Totally agree on that. However, the superior player between Chriss and Bender is certainly not on the list of objective truths.

I'll stipulate that "subjective matters" refers to things that are truly deserving of the subjective title. We're not talking global warming here though; we're parsing stats of two struggling 20-year-olds.

Top end potential, that is up for debate, but for the moment Chris's has been the superior player, and it's hard to say that isn't subjective, even if Chriss is taking that title by default.

 

[Superbone]

Looked like crap first quarter. Booker took over the game and looked a lot better


My first in person game this year small crowd

For a small crowd, you guys sure made a lot of noise at the end! I liked the Booker MVP chant.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Top end potential, that is up for debate, but for the moment Chris's has been the superior player, and it's hard to say that isn't subjective, even if Chriss is taking that title by default.

Right...that was the whole point of my stupid joke in the first place.

Slin is always right...because that wasn't remotely as clear a week ago, when the argument was being made and then all of a sudden, after Slin is booted, Chriss starts playing way better than Bender and Slin is seemingly winning the argument from the message board grave.

But really who cares...so let me try this again...

I think the big takeaway here is that Slinslin is always right.

I think the big takeaway here is that Marquese Chriss has really come on of late and has hopefully turned a corner in his development!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Just a quick question. Was that a foul or a clean block of Bazemore on Booker on that three point shot. I never could really tell. It kinda looked to me like a clean block. Is Booker starting to get calls?

 

[Mainstreet]

I wanted @Haunting (Slinslin) to eventually lay out the entire first round before he left.

IMO, he could do a very good first round mock draft or at least tier the players.

Wish he would PM @Chris_Sanders and resolve his issues on the forum.

 

[Superbone]

Just a quick question. Was that a foul or a clean block of Bazemore on Booker on that three point shot. I never could really tell. It kinda looked to me like a clean block. Is Booker starting to get calls?

Seriously? It was obvious that he hit him in the head. Even the Atlanta announcers admitted it.

 

[SirStefan32]

Just a quick question. Was that a foul or a clean block of Bazemore on Booker on that three point shot. I never could really tell. It kinda looked to me like a clean block. Is Booker starting to get calls?

He IS starting to get calls/ star treatment, but that was a foul. Booker got decked in the head before his shot was blocked.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Seriously? It was obvious that he hit him in the head. Even the Atlanta announcers admitted it.

Yes seriously. The rest of your answer was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He IS starting to get calls/ star treatment, but that was a foul. Booker got decked in the head before his shot was blocked.

I supposed getting an actual foul called in that situation is getting a call too. The refs often swallow their whistles on final plays.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I supposed getting an actual foul called in that situation is getting a call too. The refs often swallow their whistles on final plays.

A D League player would've gotten that call...Booker was hammered to the head.

 

[Ronin]

Phoenix Suns‏Verified account@Suns 32s33 seconds ago
Devin Booker and TJ Warren are the first Suns teammates to score 25+ points in three straight games since Charles Barkley and Dan Majerle in 1995! #SunsAt50

 

[Ronin]

scott bordow
@sbordow

Pretty amazing stat line from last night: Booker took 3 shots in the second half and still finished with 34 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds and 3 steals. Also had 8 turnovers.

 

[devilalum]

scott bordow
@sbordow

Pretty amazing stat line from last night: Booker took 3 shots in the second half and still finished with 34 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds and 3 steals. Also had 8 turnovers.

IMO the turnovers are growing pains from him being put in the role of playmaker.


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