Henry/Shelton deal Dead, Clement on Market

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

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Regarding Henry
The Cardinals no longer have interest in Bills halfback Travis Henry. They seriously considered trading tackle L.J. Shelton to Buffalo for Henry, but they have changed their minds for two reasons. First, they see a great crop of running backs available in the draft. Second, they wanted Henry to play out the final year of his contract before giving him a big contract extension. Henry preferred to get his money now, and that's not a sell for the Cardinals.

This is why we may have trouble getting FA's here, I think that strategy is stupid! Sign Henry now to 3 to 5 years, if hel plays here one year and rushed for 1400-1500 yards his price would have gone way up!

This is the kind of stuff that turns potential FA's away from Cardinals...this is bad press for us in that regard!!

I am not happy...Henry is much more of a sure thing than drafting RB in draft...I hope we do not get RB in 1st round...I'll take JJ in 2nd for value pick.

Even though I feel JJ will develop into best back in this draft, it may take a couple years and why not have Henry here in the mean time?

 

[Russ Smith]

I dunno Russ maybe the fumbling was a concern. That may be. But hardly a concern warranting looking for a replacement when that is something can be coached out of you.

I think they saw a value(like everyone on ths board advocates) much like BPA in ther opinions and went for it albeit a risky one. You guys IMO are reading to much into them drafting Mcgahee especially considering that he may have nver played again. It was a risk and one that worked for them.

His two seaons with the BIlls were not just good they were HUGE!

Could be right, hell I wanted McGahee this year when he said he wanted to be traded.

The thing is the reason McGahee wanted out is he said he was outplaying Henry in camp and preseason and they were still starting Henry. Obviously that was his opinion but when that came out I read some buffalo sites and a lot of their fans were agreeing with McGahee, he's outplaying Henry but we're still starting Henry for some reason.

I don't think it was as shocking inside the bills as it was outside when they made the switch, for whatever reason they were convinced McGahee was better. For all we know they may have been showcasing Henry early on by starting him but he played so poorly they gave up on trying to trade him then?

 

[Russ Smith]

This is why we may have trouble getting FA's here, I think that strategy is stupid! Sign Henry now to 3 to 5 years, if hel plays here one year and rushed for 1400-1500 yards his price would have gone way up!

This is the kind of stuff that turns potential FA's away from Cardinals...this is bad press for us in that regard!!

I am not happy...Henry is much more of a sure thing than drafting RB in draft...I hope we do not get RB in 1st round...I'll take JJ in 2nd for value pick.

Even though I feel JJ will develop into best back in this draft, it may take a couple years and why not have Henry here in the mean time?

What if he plays one injury plagued year, and loses his job to Shipp or a rookie we pick, doesn't that make us look just as bad?

 

[Shane]

What if he plays one injury plagued year, and loses his job to Shipp or a rookie we pick, doesn't that make us look just as bad?

So does passing up the closest thing as a surefire pick-up and drafting another RB that turns into another TJ fiasco?

Ill take my chances with the guy that has proven what he can do in the NFL.

 

[Shane]

For all we know they may have been showcasing Henry early on by starting him but he played so poorly they gave up on trying to trade him then?

Come on Russ we all know trades are pretty much non existent in the NFL during the season and off-season for that matter. The trades that have happened are out of the norm.

I dont doubt that McGahee outplayed Henry. But thats not the issue. McGahee has 1600+ yards a year talent. Henry has 1400+ a year talent. Ill take him anyday!

 

[Russ Smith]

Come on Russ we all know trades are pretty much non existent in the NFL during the season and off-season for that matter. The trades that have happened are out of the norm.

I dont doubt that McGahee outplayed Henry. But thats not the issue. McGahee has 1600+ yards a year talent. Henry has 1400+ a year talent. Ill take him anyday!

We have no idea. I'm not saying they were trying to trade him but I was merely suggesting a reason why Buffalo was starting a guy who they felt was their 2nd best RB.

I think in the end the Cards probably feel Henry is trying to break the bank without having to prove himself here and they don't want to invest a ton of money in a guy who's been hurt 3 of his 4 years in the NFL.

 

[kerouac9]

I'm fairly surprised to hear we're shopping Clement and Shelton. That means we HAVE to sign a RT in free agency or take one at #8. Getting a cheaper back than Henry in the draft would almost rule out taking one at #8.

I don't see how it would mean that we HAD to draft an RT at #8. I mean, none of the OT prospects rate in the top half of the draft, and Denny takes the best player. It might mean that it'd be more tempting to take one on the first day of the draft, but it might be so anyway. It's not like the Cards are without options should both of them depart. Reggie Wells has experience at the position, and Nick Leckey got snaps at RT. Otherwise, there would be plenty of hungry street players that could provide adequate stopgaps at the position.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I think in the end the Cards probably feel Henry is trying to break the bank without having to prove himself here and they don't want to invest a ton of money in a guy who's been hurt 3 of his 4 years in the NFL.

That is what is gonna hurt us in FA market, quality FA's have already proved themselves and go to teams that show they trust in their abilities.

If we cannont put faith in these guys, they will not want to be here. In the NFL players have to prove themselves week in and week out, but you have to give some of them benefit of the doubt.

This was a bad move by Cards and I am not happy and neither should you...To me this is more about perception of the franchise than anything else and does not go along with the supposed new fanchise philosophy of not your fathers Cardinals.

If Henry has a great year somewhere else and we wind up with another 800-900 yard RB performance I will go through the roof

 

[ajcardfan]

I don't see how it would mean that we HAD to draft an RT at #8.

or (Come on English major!)

I think it'd mean there's a 90% chance we'd sign a free agent to put at RT. Starting Wells or Leckey at RT, after a whole year or settling them in at G, and letting 2 more viable T's go, would be ********. I'm pretty sure Green wouldn't do something that stupid.

 

[Pariah]

but they have changed their minds for two reasons. First, they see a great crop of running backs available in the draft.

I for one, am happy to see this listed as a reason. I thought it was strange we'd give up an OL in a year when good ones are hard to come by for a RB when it seems that there are plenty to be had.

Henry is a good back, but Shelton is also a good tackle, and the market has a more favorable value on tackles this year, IMO.

 

[Pariah]

I am not happy and neither should you...

I'll tell you what, LIAC, I won't tell you how to feel and you don't tell me how to feel and we'll pretend we live in America where people have a right to their own ideas.

 

[Russ Smith]

That is what is gonna hurt us in FA market, quality FA's have already proved themselves and go to teams that show they trust in their abilities.

If we cannont put faith in these guys, they will not want to be here. In the NFL players have to prove themselves week in and week out, but you have to give some of them benefit of the doubt.

This was a bad move by Cards and I am not happy and neither should you...To me this is more about perception of the franchise than anything else and does not go along with the supposed new fanchise philosophy of not your fathers Cardinals.

If Henry has a great year somewhere else and we wind up with another 800-900 yard RB performance I will go through the roof

But you have to realize with few exceptions great players don't get traded like they're trying to do with Henry. ANd you also have to realize there's a reason the Henry to Cards rumor has been so rampant, because there's no Henry to anybody else rumors. As far as we know we're the only team that had serious discussions with Buffalo, which shows how desperate we are for a RB, and how few NFL teams consider him an upgrade to what they already have.

Even Miami, who he WANTS to play for, hasn't been rumored to be interested although that may be Buffalo not wanting him there.

If we pass on henry and it turns out to be the smart move, that will help our image among NFL players, if it turns out to be the wrong move, hurt our image. Unless we have a crystal ball we don't know now what the right move is.

Personally i'm VERY impressed with Green and Graves the way they've handled this, they aren't panicking, they aren't overpaying in trade and contract, they've got some leverage with Buffalo because we have other teams who want LJ and they don't have other teams who want Henry.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'll tell you what, LIAC, I won't tell you how to feel and you don't tell me how to feel and we'll pretend we live in America where people have a right to their own ideas.

man - I miss and hate this board!

 

[Pariah]

man - I miss and hate this board!

It's a terribly painful addiction that brings me great joy.

 

[kerouac9]

or (Come on English major!)

I think it'd mean there's a 90% chance we'd sign a free agent to put at RT. Starting Wells or Leckey at RT, after a whole year or settling them in at G, and letting 2 more viable T's go, would be ********. I'm pretty sure Green wouldn't do something that stupid.

I don't even think it's a necessity to sign a FA ROT, even if we let both of them go. If we don't it's still not a priority to draft a second-tier RT at #8 overall.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I'll tell you what, LIAC, I won't tell you how to feel and you don't tell me how to feel and we'll pretend we live in America where people have a right to their own ideas.

You act as if Bush is not our president...You will think how you are told!

Plus I wasn't telling you how to feel I was telling Russ how to feel so get it right

 

[Pariah]

Plus I wasn't telling you how to feel I was telling Russ how to feel so get it right

Oh, okay. So long as no one is oppressing me, I'm cool with that.

Get back in your hole, Russ!

 

[john h]

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March 1, 2005
Tackle market
L.J. Shelton isn't the only Cardinals tackle on the market. While the Cardinals want a second-round choice for Shelton, a left tackle, they would like a third- or fourth-rounder for Anthony Clement. The Cardinals realize Clement's trade market won't heat up until after the free agent tackles are signed. Once that happens, though, Clement could become an attractive commodity because he is a physical run-blocking right tackle. March 1, 2005
Regarding Henry
The Cardinals no longer have interest in Bills halfback Travis Henry. They seriously considered trading tackle L.J. Shelton to Buffalo for Henry, but they have changed their minds for two reasons. First, they see a great crop of running backs available in the draft. Second, they wanted Henry to play out the final year of his contract before giving him a big contract extension. Henry preferred to get his money now, and that's not a sell for the Cardinals.

No big deal in my mind. Keeping Shelton may be the best deal we do all year if we keep him.

 

[john h]

THe reality is we had no idea what Henry we were getting so giving him a long term deal with guaranteed money might have backfired. Afterall there has to be SOME reason Buffalo drafted a guy coming off a catastrophic knee injury and is now trading Henry? Maybe they think he wants too much or is too injury prone?

I would guess it came down to money Russ. I do not think the Cards were willing to give Henry the kind of money and contract he wanted. They can say it was something else but that is where my money would be. It nearly is always about money.

 

[Russ Smith]

Oh, okay. So long as no one is oppressing me, I'm cool with that.

Get back in your hole, Russ!

you know if he and I worked at the same place I could file a "hostile workplace environment" charge and get money out of it.

I just find it ironic that people say don't pay Jordan he hasn't proven anything but want to pay henry. Henry started 5 games last year, Jordan 0, Jordan had nearly 200 more yards rushing and averaged nearly 2 yards more per carry. They're the same age, were in the same draft, Jordan went first and was universally considered the better prospect.

Jordan had the misfortune of going to a team who had Curtis Martin.

Jordan hasn't proven he can be an everydown RB, but really neither has Henry he's been hurt 3 of his 4 seasons and is coming off 2 consecutive years with fairly serious injuries.

The Green philosophy is get FA's or players in their 4th or 5th year who are about to blow up, I think Jordan clearly fits that more than henry so if we're going to overpay, overpay for Jordan.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Green philosophy is get FA's or players in their 4th or 5th year who are about to blow up, I think Jordan clearly fits that more than henry so if we're going to overpay, overpay for Jordan.

i don't wanna pay someone big bucks if they're just gonna up and blow up on us. that's a waste of caproom and roster spot.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i don't wanna pay someone big bucks if they're just gonna up and blow up on us. that's a waste of caproom and roster spot.

you are a ******. FOUR HOURS AWAY!!!!!!!!!!

I feel like it's the Satty night before the season right now.

 

[CardinalChris]

Also makes you wonder if they are getting better offers for Shelton

 

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