Here we go again..."cards didnt win, the refs gave it to em"

[Doc Cardinal]

The phantom "horse collar" call was worse.....we got over it and won today.

 

[conraddobler]

Eh, they certainly miss calls.

We have saved up more than our share of calls going against us to balance out the equation.

You can't claim we get all the calls, that's laughable.

If we get one more than the other team for the next 50 years we'd still have some in the bank.

 

[WisconsinCard]

If anyone is to blame, its Aaron "The Chosen One's" foot. Dummy looked like he tried to kick it. Karlos Dansby in the place to be, game set, go back to Wisconsin losers.

Not all of us are going back to wisconsin losers.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Cheeseheads are out of their fricking mind if they think the Cards got helped by refs.

Can they honestly think for a second that the NFL wasn't jizzing themselves for a Favre/Vikes vs Packers matchup?

If there was a conspiracy (which I don't believe) all evidence would point towards the NFL wanting to ensure a Favre/Rodgers matchup.

 

[vince56]

well it doesn't help dansby thanked the refs in his post game interview

 

[CardLogic]

You want to be a good team?? You've got to beat the other team and the bad calls that go against your team. It's that simple.

 

[187]

Yeah, I bet the refs caused them to give up 51 points too.

 

[DanThePackerFan]

Yeah, I bet the refs caused them to give up 51 points too.

No team that gives up 51 deserves to win. I've got no beef with the fumble/non-facemask at the end. It really didn't affect the play. Should it have been called? Maybe. But do the Cards retain possession or is it a Packers first down? Too many questions. It was one finger hooked around the facemask long after the ball was out.

The thing that DID bother me occurred on the play just before. I'd like to think that Rodgers earned a bit of respect tonight, so when is he going to get the protection of Brady, Manning or Favre?

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That's not a complaint in regards to the result of the game. More as a plea for something I feel my QB has earned.

 

[nastynas]

Bah - there were no calls on both teams. Of course, a certain breed of Packer fan will complain that they were screwed over by the refs, but in reality, I think that the refs just failed to call penalties on both teams.

As for the face mask on Rodgers, I believe that since he had already fumbled the ball, AZ would have maintained possession, just that it would have been moved back 15 yards from the spot of the foul. In reality, what I think happened is that the second that ball popped loose, all of the ref's eyes watched the ball and no longer watched Rodgers.

The refs seemed to only watch the ball. On Fitz's one hander there was THREE penalties on one play. Offensive pass interference by Fitz just pushing Woodson down and that was the most obvious of the three. Another was illegal use of hands to the face and I can see how that was missed because there was no ref who was in the line of sight. However, holding was a clear penalty as well on Cullen Jenkins.

Ryan Pickett had clearly pushed the ball out of a forced fumble blown dead. When replays are shown the ball was already out and in the hands on Picket before the carrier reached the ground. The call should have been a fumble and not a dead ball. Not because it was the right call (If indeed it was the right call) but then it could have been challenged and correctly called without any doubt.

On the final few plays of the game the Cardinals got away with a lot. On the hold every ref went and threw the flag noticing the hold but completely missed a cheap helemt to helmet on Rodgers which would have cancelled the holding and been a 15 yard, automatic first down. Expect a league fine for that hit coming in the next few days. Then on the final play of the game the facemask of course. It will be argued that the ball was already out but by rule it was part of the Packers play before possession changed and would have been a 15 yard penalty. When Rodgers face mask was pulled Rodgers legs came out from under him kicking the ball upward into Dansby's hands.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

If you really plan on running into a bunch of threads and crying about a correct no call nastynas, then your stay here will be brief.

 

[PoolBoy]

go whine on the packers board.

“Everybody picked us to lose, and now Aaron Rodgers can go home and practice putting his little belt on and go and shovel some snow out of his driveway.” Darnell Dockett


like Dockett, I have a hard time feeling sorry for a arrogant team and fans. bye

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

First off all Nas, please do not disgrace the name of one of the greatest hiphop artists off all time with your bitching and moaning.

Secondly, Berrys hit was far from cheap and looked more like helmet to clavicle contact to me.

Thirdly, There were two occasions where fitz and woodson ran into eachother due to incidental contact BEFORE the ball was thrown so you have no basis for pass interference.

Fourthly: waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

 

[nastynas]

First off all Nas, please do not disgrace the name of one of the greatest hiphop artists off all time with your bitching and moaning.

Secondly, Berrys hit was far from cheap and looked more like helmet to clavicle contact to me.

Thirdly, There were two occasions where fitz and woodson ran into eachother due to incidental contact BEFORE the ball was thrown so you have no basis for pass interference.

Fourthly: waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

The Berry hit was unnecessary roughness. Look at the first pic above. If it wasn't I dont understand how the Cullen Jenkins penalty was. The first occasion when Woodson and Fitz tangled was legit. Their feet just tangled on Woodson's back pedal. However watch the second closely. Fitz extends the hands and shoves Woodson backwards. Clear pass interference. The ball doesnt have to be out to be called interference. Even if you want to argue that the ball has to be out then the flag should have been thrown for illegal contact against the offense for Fitz extending his arms and shoving the defender.

 

[DanThePackerFan]

The Berry hit was unnecessary roughness. Look at the first pic above. If it wasn't I dont understand how the Cullen Jenkins penalty was. The first occasion when Woodson and Fitz tangled was legit. Their feet just tangled on Woodson's back pedal. However watch the second closely. Fitz extends the hands and shoves Woodson backwards. Clear pass interference. The ball doesnt have to be out to be called interference. Even if you want to argue that the ball has to be out then the flag should have been thrown for illegal contact against the offense for Fitz extending his arms and shoving the defender.

I'm not sure if you're a Packer fan or not, but it's not good natured of us to complain and won't change anything one way or another at this point. There's still eight months before I get to see Packer football again, so quabbling about this penalty or that penalty is useless.

The one I AM adamant about is my QB getting protected. A lesser shot than that drew a penalty earlier in the game. If the league is serious about keeping their stars in the game and upright, there's gotta be a flag in that situation.

The rest? Go back and forth all you want. It's all a matter of opinion anyway.

Since the earlier roughing the passer and potential offensive PI seem to be the points of interest, my contribution to the thread will be photographs for discussion. I won't lend any point of view, because I don't really feel it's warranted. But here, have at 'em.

Woodson and Fitz get tangled up on Fitz TD:

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Cullen Jenkins roughing call:

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[DanThePackerFan]

^Also working on a better pic of the Jenkins penalty. His left arm in the air in that pic rakes across the top of Warner's helmet. That drew the flag.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

The reason the Jenkins one was called is because the umpire was right there to see it in plain view...

 

[Evil Ash]

The reason the Jenkins one was called is because the umpire was right there to see it in plain view...

Yup. They are human beings and they miss calls. Unless its in plain view, there's a good chance it will be missed

There have been a number of calls that were missed that would have helped the Cards. Good teams don't rely on the refs. They win in spite of them

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Just like I predicted the Packers got hit in the mouth right at the beginning of the game cause they couldn't handle Arizona Cardinal playoff football.

17-0

Thats what cost them the game. Hats off to Rodgers for coming back but thats what this team does playoff game after playoff game.

Damn it feels nice to say that. God bless the Cardinals for making one man (me) so happy.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Seriously ?

I mean SERIOUSLY ?

The Packers were getting call after call after call after call.

How many times were one of our D-Linemen going to get f'n tackled before they FINALLY called a hold in overtime ? Where if they didn't call the hold on Calias I think the fans would have killed the refs.

Green Bay's first 10 points were given to them. There first TD drive was 85% penality yards.

If anyone wants deserves to say "The refs screwed us" it is the Cardinals.

The two horse collar tackles were very ticky tack, yet Warner got helmetted to helmetted at least 3 times with no call. (cough even though Berry got away with one cough)

Some teams overcome bad calls and some teams don't. I guess all the practice the Cardinals have had overcoming one sided refs came in handy.

There are advantages to NOT being media darlings. Builds character.

Tell the any Packers that are complaining to cram a cheese log up there poop shoots.

Edit: I stress the ones complaining. Shocked, and embarrassed a little for running my mouth how civil the rest of this thread (which I should have read first) is civil.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

^Also working on a better pic of the Jenkins penalty. His left arm in the air in that pic rakes across the top of Warner's helmet. That drew the flag.

Dan, I am with you that was a tough call. I might be wrong but a personal foul ends up negating any other fouls like holding, etc., etc. Ticky tack as it may be.

In a game like this, everything is looked at. Every P.I., every hold/non-hold, every face mask, etc., etc.

The play you showed above with Fitz and Woodson I thought was one of those (tangled feet) issues, but the other where Fitz walked in untouched was...... well, I am happy that we scored there.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The thing that DID bother me occurred on the play just before. I'd like to think that Rodgers earned a bit of respect tonight, so when is he going to get the protection of Brady, Manning or Favre?

That's not a complaint in regards to the result of the game. More as a plea for something I feel my QB has earned.

Add Warner on that list and I am sure we can get both fanbases to co-sign the complaint.

Very close to what Brandon Chillar did earlier in the game.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Found some photos...

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Agreed.

That is NOT a 15 yard face mask. Since there is no longer a 5 yard facemask, it is either 15 yards or nothing.

That is nothing.

 

[Brighteyes]

Packer fans, hold your head up high. That was an incredible game. You played very tough, fought back to take it into overtime.

It's just -- as a few of your guys learned -- that the Cardinals are a pretty good team too.

 

[TJ]

Cardinals must have pissed in ESPN's cheerios

Because now they are bitching about a possible helmet-to-helmet call from Bertrand to Rodgers on the holding call.

 

[DeAnna]

yet Warner got helmetted to helmetted at least 3 times with no call. (cough even though Berry got away with one cough)

I'm not one to ever whine about calls/no calls because it's lame, but Kurt did take several shots to the head that went uncalled. He complained to the ref several times.