Here's a potential WR2: Lee Evans

[AsUpRoDiGy]

if the stats don't like and you posted that Heap was in the top 15 for TE, how do you figure he's a top 10 TE? Especially since he's older than he was when he was putting up those stats?

Purely stated, im biased He played for ASU and now he's with the cards, so of course I'm going to hold him to a higher standard lol. He's also a very decent blocker, much better than a lot of pure receiving TE's, so that also makes him more valuable overall. Would GM's rate him as a top 10 TE? Definitely not. But when you've watched a player your entire life, you tend to over value them

 

[Cheesebeef]

Purely stated, im biased He played for ASU and now he's with the cards, so of course I'm going to hold him to a higher standard lol. He's also a very decent blocker, much better than a lot of pure receiving TE's, so that also makes him more valuable overall. Would GM's rate him as a top 10 TE? Definitely not. But when you've watched a player your entire life, you tend to over value them

fair enough.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Theres also a rumor going around that johnny knox from the bears may be on the trading block. He wouldnt demand a high draft pick, and hes been fairly productive. May be worth a shot for the cards FO to see what type of compensation they're lookin for.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Theres also a rumor going around that johnny knox from the bears may be on the trading block. He wouldnt demand a high draft pick, and hes been fairly productive. May be worth a shot for the cards FO to see what type of compensation they're lookin for.

he'd be a solid, dependable guy.

 

[crisper57]

he'd be a solid, dependable guy.

Plus he's great in those 'Jackass' movies.

Oh wait...

 

[PACardsFan]

I am thinking not getting Evans was about not givining up a 4th rounder. I have no problem with that.

I agree. We've already given up our 2nd, so giving up a 4th was too much. We have bigger holes than at the WR position!

 

[Duckjake]

I would not recommend that you report those who insult you, because, if you report too many people, you might get banned yourself.

Your posts make me have to take Emetrol.

 

[Duckjake]

As the IMO would state lol. I'm an ASU fan, so I'm very keen on Heap and Miller. Heap had multiple offers from several teams, but decided to come back home. Through 2008-2010 Heap is 15th in the league for receiving yards for a TE (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/42584/49ers-davis-i-have-to-outwork-those-guys) and he wasnt 100% healthy during that time either. Is he in his prime anymore? No. Can he be productive still? yes, the stats dont lie.

I'll take 50 catches for 600 yards and 5 TDs from one TE and I think that would be a real help to the Cardinals offense.

In addition no DC in the NFL has any film on the Cards using a TE as an integral part of the offense so we'll be able to sneak up on 'em, at least for awhile.

 

[Pariah]

[Knox would be] a be a solid, dependable guy.

If we could get Johnny Knox for a 4th we should jump on it. I'd rather get that guy in his prime knowning he's a fairly solid and dependable #2 then roll the dice on a middle-round rookie. In fact, I would even be okay giving up a conditional third for him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If we could get Johnny Knox for a 4th we should jump on it. I'd rather get that guy in his prime knowning he's a fairly solid and dependable #2 then roll the dice on a middle-round rookie. In fact, I would even be okay giving up a conditional third for him.

agreed. don't think that will happen though. not sure why the Bears would trade him. 3rd year guy who basically doubled his rookie year yards up to 900. Seems like the kind of guy you want to extend, not get rid of.

 

[Cardiac]

Considered by who? You? Do you think that the Ravens released a Top 10 TE in the NFL without even offering to renegotiate his contract because they're stupid? Todd Heap isn't even the best former Sun Devil tight end playing in the NFL.

1. Vernon Davis
2. Antonio Gates
3. Jermichael Finley
4. Jason Witten
5. Marcedes Lewis
6. Dustin Keller
7. Zach Miller
8. Tony Gonazales
9. Heath Miller
10. Owen Daniels
11. Dallas Clark
12. Jacob Tamme (that's right--Heap probably wouldn't start for the Colts even in 2 TE sets)
13. Brent Celek
14. Greg Olsen
15. Jeremy Shockey (no, he wouldn't start for the Panthers, either)


And that's before going into guys who aren't proven but have way more upside than Heap like Hernandez, Gronkowski, Moeaki, Pettigrew,, Graham and Gresham.

The Baltimore Ravens decided that they were going to totally remake their passing offense, and they didn't want Todd Heap along for the ride. Shouldn't that tell you something about his value around the league?

I don't expect Heap to make the probowl but he is an upgrade as a blocker and a huge upgrade as a receiver over our group last year.

The Ravens did draft 2 TE's last year and so one could surmise that the cutting of Heap was more about cap space then his talent. I think all of us
respect Ozzie Newsome as a top notch GM. The thing is not every player cut in the NFL is due to talent, often it has to do with managing the cap which is at least part of the reason for Heap, Gregg, Mason and McGahee getting cut.

Are you stating that all of these players are washed up and won't contribute this year? My thought is that the Ravens do such a good job that they already have their replacements in place on the roster (except WR).

My prediction is that Heap will have a significant positive impact on the Cards offense this year. He compliments King perfectly and Kolb very much likes throwing to TE's. Opposing teams will actually have to game plan for us using the TE position for the first time in decades which will help open up our WR's and give our rushing attack a boost as well.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't expect Heap to make the probowl but he is an upgrade as a blocker and a huge upgrade as a receiver over our group last year.

The Ravens did draft 2 TE's last year and so one could surmise that the cutting of Heap was more about cap space then his talent. I think all of us
respect Ozzie Newsome as a top notch GM. The thing is not every player cut in the NFL is due to talent, often it has to do with managing the cap which is at least part of the reason for Heap, Gregg, Mason and McGahee getting cut.

Are you stating that all of these players are washed up and won't contribute this year? My thought is that the Ravens do such a good job that they already have their replacements in place on the roster (except WR).

My prediction is that Heap will have a significant positive impact on the Cards offense this year. He compliments King perfectly and Kolb very much likes throwing to TE's. Opposing teams will actually have to game plan for us using the TE position for the first time in decades which will help open up our WR's and give our rushing attack a boost as well.

I think Heap will contribute in this offense, although he wants 75 balls, not the 50 that Duck foresees. He'll certainly be an upgrade over what we have.

But we shouldn't be pretending that we're getting the 2005 edition of Todd Heap. He's not among the top 20 TEs in the NFL, and may not be among the top 30. He's a complement to King, but (like with Porter) we may end up starting Heap and allowing King to sit on the sidelines because our QB prefers to pass.

Teams certainly aren't going to game plan to contain Todd Heap. They'll put a linebacker on him and Heap won't be able to punish them for doing so. As he hasn't been able to for the last three seasons or more.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Thanks! It drives me crazy to listen to the m _r_ns on this board whine about cap space.

This gets you a one day ban.

 

[Mulli]

If Heap repeats his 40 catches and 5 TDs of last year, he is legit.

 

[Duckjake]

I think Heap will contribute in this offense, although he wants 75 balls, not the 50 that Duck foresees. He'll certainly be an upgrade over what we have.

But we shouldn't be pretending that we're getting the 2005 edition of Todd Heap. He's not among the top 20 TEs in the NFL, and may not be among the top 30. He's a complement to King, but (like with Porter) we may end up starting Heap and allowing King to sit on the sidelines because our QB prefers to pass.

Teams certainly aren't going to game plan to contain Todd Heap. They'll put a linebacker on him and Heap won't be able to punish them for doing so. As he hasn't been able to for the last three seasons or more.

I don't see that 10 catches for 108 yards in the Wildcard game last season and a TD catch the next week vs Pitt is an indication that a guy is washed up and can't make teams pay for not game planning for him.

Belcher,DJohnson,Hali,EBerry,Palomalu,Timmons,Farrior,Woodley...not exactly the Dregs of the AFC Defenders.

 

[Cardiac]

I don't see that 10 catches for 108 yards in the Wildcard game last season and a TD catch the next week vs Pitt is an indication that a guy is washed up and can't make teams pay for not game planning for him.

Belcher,DJohnson,Hali,EBerry,Palomalu,Timmons,Farrior,Woodley...not exactly the Dregs of the AFC Defenders.

You missed that K9 is making a point so these lil ol facts will be ignored.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You missed that K9 is making a point so these lil ol facts will be ignored.

the facts are this: in his last three years, Heap has averaged 531 yards per game and 4 TDs... that's pretty average. one good game in the playoffs and a touchdown in the other last year really don't outweigh the three seasons that preceded it, do they?

 

[Catfish]

Evans is no longer available-----he was traded yesterday-----

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

the facts are this: in his last three years, Heap has averaged 531 yards per game and 4 TDs... that's pretty average. one good game in the playoffs and a touchdown in the other last year really don't outweigh the three seasons that preceded it, do they?

You have to take into consideration AZ will prob use him a lot more than BAL has recently. Whiz is gonna use a ton of 2 TE sets with Heap being the primary receiving TE in that formation. He's not gonna have Antonio Gates numbers, but he will be surprisingly productive...

 

[Cheesebeef]

You have to take into consideration AZ will prob use him a lot more than BAL has recently. Whiz is gonna use a ton of 2 TE sets with Heap being the primary receiving TE in that formation.

why? Baltimore has ALWAYS run a TE dependent offense and Whiz has NEVER shown the proclivity to do so but yet we're going to use him a lot more and more effectively than they have? Not sure I buy the reasoning or see much evidence to support that idea.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't see that 10 catches for 108 yards in the Wildcard game last season and a TD catch the next week vs Pitt is an indication that a guy is washed up and can't make teams pay for not game planning for him.

Belcher,DJohnson,Hali,EBerry,Palomalu,Timmons,Farrior,Woodley...not exactly the Dregs of the AFC Defenders.

It's nice that Heap was able to put together one good game and score in another, but he was also the #4 option in the Ravens' offense--behind Q, Mason, and whatever RB they had in the game at the time (usually Rice). In this offense as currently configured, Heap will be the #2 option and the guy after Fitz that defenses are going to look to close out of the game.

Do I think Heap can still play? Probably. Do I think that he's among the top 20 tight ends in the NFL anymore? Heck, no. Do I want him as a Top 2 option in this offense? I don't think so--I'd rather have an offense be able to win games rather than get touches to a guy who played for my alma mater a decade ago.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

why? Baltimore has ALWAYS run a TE dependent offense and Whiz has NEVER shown the proclivity to do so but yet we're going to use him a lot more and more effectively than they have? Not sure I buy the reasoning or see much evidence to support that idea.

Theres a very easy explanation. Whiz has never had the right TE's to run that type of offense in AZ. He used to run a lot of two TE sets in Pitt when he had Miller, so I would imagine he would try to do the same with Heap. And I also take into consideration Kolb likes to target TE's lol

 

[Duckjake]

the facts are this: in his last three years, Heap has averaged 531 yards per game and 4 TDs... that's pretty average. one good game in the playoffs and a touchdown in the other last year really don't outweigh the three seasons that preceded it, do they?

Yes they do when you are debating whether a guy is washed up and can't beat Linebackers anymore or make teams pay for ignoring him.

Meanwhile first complete pass across the los Thursday night was an 8 yard crossing route to Heap and... he didn't fall down as soon as he caught it. 2nd and 2! For Arizona! Next play was the long pass to Fitz.

I expect to see a lot more of that.

 

[Mulli]

Right. I would wager that the Cards have a receiver on the roster now besides Fitz that catches more than Evans does this year.

I win!

 

[Mulli]

Caught 4 passes.