Hey Dallas, Nash showed who is the MVP!!!

[msdundee]

Thank you Msdundee!

You're welcome. Nice avatar

 

[pkdumas]

Damn, two days later and Dirk won't stop haunting Nash. If the Mavs beat the Pistons on Sunday and then the Mavs wax us in 2 weeks, Dirk locks up the MVP. We just can't seem to get ahead.

 

[nurnay]

My 8 year old son just played NBA Live using the Suns vs. the Mavs, he only used Nash on offense. Final score: PHO 126, DAL 50. Nash had 126 points. Clearly the MVP.

 

[pkdumas]

My 8 year old son just played NBA Live using the Suns vs. the Mavs, he only used Nash on offense. Final score: PHO 126, DAL 50. Nash had 126 points. Clearly the MVP.

How'd your 8 year old do against the Pistons?

 

[jenna2891]

I think Garnett would fit in just fine, he just like Dirk in that he doesn't need a specfic style of team to be effective, but there are players who need to play a certain way to be effective. I'm not trying to hate on Nash it's just how I perceive it: he didn't do this in Dallas because he didn't have the same tools at his disposal, and if you think about it the ONLY logical explanation on how a 30+ yr old can elevate his game is going to a team that he fits really well into. Therefore the team is just as crucial to Nash's success as Nash is to the teams success.

so, let me get this straight:

a player is either always fantastic his entire life

or

if he becomes fantastic, it is because a team is built around him.


which do you think is correct?

 

[Covert Rain]

Not to mention we already covered how inflated his value is because of the lack of true point guards in the league AT THIS TIME.

If there are no point guards in the league who can do what he can do then how can your value be inflated? That is rediculous. I don't care if JS was still in the league. Nash would still be getting his. Guys like JS and Nash come along every so many years regardless of how many true point guards are in the league at any given time. Very weak arguement.

My point just like I said above is that everyone is praising Nash for things a point guard is supposed to do... just because other point guards are too stupid to do it doesn't make him special, do you really think it should? It makes him a rare commodity in the league at this point in time and i've said that a million times but if that's your only argument it's pretty weak. He is not in Stockton, Magic, Isiah, or Oscars league, at least those guys had some competition at the pg spot.

You should really quit while your BEHIND. The more you post the funnier it gets. It's not that other point guards are stupid. It's they don't have what Nash does. Your trying to convince yourself. Do you actually listen to analysts? Do you listen to players and coaches who comment on Steve? They would dissagree. Did you hear what Oscar R. (the Hall of Famer) said about Steve earlier this year? You must not have. He said Steve was as good a point guard as he has ever seen. I guess you know more then all of them. If you need to tell yourself all that crud to make yourself feel better great. However, nobody in the NBA buys your arguement and neither does anybody here.

I'm also not surprised you didn't respond to the superior argument I made for Dirk using the PER and the fact he's independent in his statistics.

Superior? Heck I would settle for halfway decent. Nobody said Dirk is not an effective player. Just don't give me any more dribble about his impact being anywhere near Nash's when it comes to making other guys better. Independent? So what? The league is full of guys who have "independent" numbers. The league is not full of guys who play ultimate team basketball.

These two facts prove that his numbers are completely his own, and as I said in the first paragraph Nash could have 107 assists a game the way he dominates the ball if only his shooters would make every shot. It just shows you how great a talent Nash has surrounding him but if he was on the worst FG% shooting team in the league you can't tell me he wouldn't be JUST as effective. I know he wouldn't be.

OK. You get the "DUH" statement of the year award I think. If Dirk played on the worst team in the NBA and other guys couldn't shoot, Dirk would get double teams every time down the court and that would be that. Since we know Dirk is too soft to play with his back to the basket, he would be nullified.

Thanks for playing. Your award? Getting added to the Mavs Troll IGNORE list.

 

[msdundee]

"Thanks for playing. Your award? Getting added to the Mavs Troll IGNORE list."

Just a day or so ago I said I didn't have an Ignore list, and I didn't -- for the most part it's a lot more interesting to read all the posts. This board is still miles above some others when it comes to troll traffic. But we're at that time of the year when the trash can comes in handy, so mine's now in use too. That includes new posters trying desperately to pass as Suns fans.

 

[elindholm]

When I discover that a particular person's posts aren't anything other than annoying, vapid wastes of my time, that puts them on Ignore. It's been getting harder to keep up these days.

 

[msdundee]

When I discover that a particular person's posts aren't anything other than annoying, vapid wastes of my time, that puts them on Ignore. It's been getting harder to keep up these days.

And they've only just begun. In a more perfect world those posts wouldn't show up in quotes either. At least ASFN is a moderated board and that does makes a big difference.

 

[Lorenzo]

what, exactly, has dirk done for the mavs that kevin garnett or gilbert arenas couldn't have done? he's a good shooter surrounded by a good supporting cast.

how many times have i had to listen to idiot pundits spout their (fickle) mouths off about how great dirk is because, when there's no shot to be found, he can pull up and shoot over any defender? too many. and how many times did i hear those same idiots talk about how nash pulled up over dirk (with a 9" advantage !) and made shots when there were no shots to be found? zero.

so what is it that makes dirk so special? i haven't found it yet. he's a really good player that found himself on the right team at the right time. does that make him valuable? no. that makes him f-ing lucky.

okay....the same can be said about steve nash. what made him so valuable in dallas? then he went to phoenix and became the mvp X2. right team right time?
Now don't take me for an idiot and come back with something crazy about me not respecting steve nash. There is no questioning nash's abilties. I've watched both he and dirk for many years. Both players deserve to be mvp candidates this season. I wouldn't call neither guy lucky because they are both two of the hardest working guys you'll see in the nba.

 

[Lorenzo]

I found this over at Spurstalk, and I thought I'd share:

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that's a good one. I tell you i've tried chatting with spurs fans. that's not very fun.

 

[Lorenzo]

as for dirk, i ask again: how do you know that a player like kevin garnett would not be just as efficient and effective if he were on the mavs? if dirk were on the timberwolves, would his numbers be the same?


however, i think the best argument for nash is that he knows that teammates is spelled with two m’s, not one.

these comparisons are getting too complex. dirk doesn't play for the t-wolves and garnett doesn't play for the mavs. what if nash still played for dallas? what if nash played for the wolves? would he still be the mvp? all that stuff does not matter. and i'm not only arguing with you because i'm sure other mavs/suns fans have brought this meaningless chatter. It's ridiculous. Nash/Dirk are both mvp candidates for their performances this year respectively. Those fans who think one is clearly ahead of the other at this point.....have the high beams on.

 

[Lorenzo]

I just want to say you are a breath of fresh air. As a MAVs fan it has to be a tough day for you. Your team is tough and one game is just that.

The fact they said last night it was the biggest regular season game in the last 30 years bodes well for both teams. I know I pulled for the MAVs in your matchup with SA.

You are a class act for a MAVs fan.

thank you. If that was game 7 or an elimination game....then i probably wouldn't have been on here. But it was a regular season game....and it was a great one. I watched steve nash do that in dallas a few times. I remember one regular season game against the kings in 03 vividly. It was a back and forth game. The kings had the lead late and the mavs looked dead. the mavs pulled within 3 with a few seconds left on the clock. Nash got an open look at a 3, but missed. Finley rebounded and threw it back out to nash and he hit the 3 at almost the same spot in the arena. In OT nash went on to hit 2 more big 3's(those pull-up one's) and the mavs won.
the mavs or their fans can't be too disappointed with the outcome. I thought the mavs played well and they just fell short. Next time they have a lead like that with a min. to go i would expect to see better execution at both ends though.

 

[Hoopy Dunkalot]

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I've been out of town, but I just wanted to say "phwfft". We'll see you very soon.

 

[boisesuns]

I've been out of town, but I just wanted to say "phwfft". We'll see you very soon.

Trolling is really a full time job, eh?

 

[Covert Rain]

Trolling is really a full time job, eh?

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Anybody catch Chokewitzki missing another clutch free throw against Detroit? He's lucky that his teammates bailed him out. Doesn't seem like MVP behavior to me.

 

[pkdumas]

I missed the missed free throw, but I saw Dirk hit a twisting, turning, one-legged fall away from 18 feet to seal the deal against the Pistons.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I missed the missed free throw, but I saw Dirk hit a twisting, turning, one-legged fall away from 18 feet to seal the deal against the Pistons.

He didn't seal the deal on that shot (which was just a fadeaway, not sure what the hyperbole was for). He had a chance to put the game away, gets to the line and bricks his first free throw. There's no excuse for a 90% free throw shooter to do that.

 

[Lorenzo]

He didn't seal the deal on that shot (which was just a fadeaway, not sure what the hyperbole was for). He had a chance to put the game away, gets to the line and bricks his first free throw. There's no excuse for a 90% free throw shooter to do that.

why not. an 87% shooter hamilton missed 3 or 4 in a row late in the game. BTW that shot dirk made was what sealed the game. He scored like 21 points in the second half. He's made shots like that countless times this season in close games late in the 4th.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

Dirk will win it this yr. Nash provided why he is considered to be MVP but the media will give it to Dirk.

if the mavs win 70 dirk will get it.

 

[Lorenzo]

Dirk will win it this yr. Nash provided why he is considered to be MVP but the media will give it to Dirk.

if the mavs win 70 dirk will get it.

well after the last game vs. dallas nash had the edge. but obviously the mvp isn't handed out based on 1 game. I think dirk has the edge right now.

 

[arwillan]

well after the last game vs. dallas nash had the edge. but obviously the mvp isn't handed out based on 1 game. I think dirk has the edge right now.

ill give dirk the edge right now, but if we beat them tomorrow and if they get less than 70 wins i think steve can win it

 

[Lorenzo]

ill give dirk the edge right now, but if we beat them tomorrow and if they get less than 70 wins i think steve can win it

I don't know. I don't think dallas will win 70 games. I think if nash wins tomorrow and dirk plays poorly nash will still need phoenix to finish much stronger......with what has went on the last week or so. It seems like that game was yesterday and phoenix appeared to be knocking on the door of the #1 seed. Now within a short period of time , they are 7 games back and trying to stay in front of that other team everyone else ignored all season long. the team that actually has hardware.

 

[arwillan]

I don't know. I don't think dallas will win 70 games. I think if nash wins tomorrow and dirk plays poorly nash will still need phoenix to finish much stronger......with what has went on the last week or so. It seems like that game was yesterday and phoenix appeared to be knocking on the door of the #1 seed. Now within a short period of time , they are 7 games back and trying to stay in front of that other team everyone else ignored all season long. the team that actually has hardware.

yes, phx will need to play a lot better to make nash get the mvp but i dont expect another collapse if we beat dallas tomorrow so he has a strong case for MVP