Hollinger on Diaw, Barbosa Extensions

[Azlen]

Its an ESPN Insider article so I'll just summarize. The extent of the article is his predictions on whether or not members of the 2003 draft class will or won't get an extension and if they do, how much they'll get.
His predictions for the Suns are:
Diaw at 5 years/$55 million and LB not getting an extension unless Sarver signs off on paying the luxury tax.

Probably not too far off.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Its an ESPN Insider article so I'll just summarize. The extent of the article is his predictions on whether or not members of the 2003 draft class will or won't get an extension and if they do, how much they'll get.
His predictions for the Suns are:
Diaw at 5 years/$55 million and LB not getting an extension unless Sarver signs off on paying the luxury tax.

Probably not too far off.

that's pretty much my expectation for the summer as well. Just get Diaw signed for god's sake. Leo will be great to have as a bench player this year as we go for the title and very tradeable commodity in a sign and trade next offseason if it comes to that.

 

[arthurracoon]

I believe you can post excerpts IIRC

 

[NastyOne]

Its an ESPN Insider article so I'll just summarize. The extent of the article is his predictions on whether or not members of the 2003 draft class will or won't get an extension and if they do, how much they'll get.
His predictions for the Suns are:
Diaw at 5 years/$55 million and LB not getting an extension unless Sarver signs off on paying the luxury tax.

Probably not too far off.

Contracts are really getting out of hand in the league.

Guys making $10mil+ per year based on potential.

Guess we have to say thanks to the agents and teams of Nene,Chandler,Dalembert and any other bigman that got a huge contract because they might become allstars in the future.

Diaw at most should get a $45Mil deal over 5 years, but we'll end up paying him $11mil per when he hasnt even made an allstar team or broken 20ppg.

I'm not saying don't give him the money, cause he has the potential to be real important to our title run, but jesus christ... $11Mil per for 13/6/6, wtf?

Diaw better play out of his mind if he gets that deal and fulfill his potential.

 

[sunsfn]

Its an ESPN Insider article so I'll just summarize. The extent of the article is his predictions on whether or not members of the 2003 draft class will or won't get an extension and if they do, how much they'll get.
His predictions for the Suns are:
Diaw at 5 years/$55 million and LB not getting an extension unless Sarver signs off on paying the luxury tax.

Probably not too far off.

I do not think Diaw will get that much. It will be interesting to see how much he really gets.

 

[Mainstreet]

I hope the Suns extend both Diaw and Barbosa this summer, especially Diaw.
I don't think their salaries will effect the luxury tax anyway this coming season. I'd like to get them done now. I think LB will not ask for the moon.

Anyway, the Suns can drop salary with a pick after this season. I don't want the Suns to get into a bidding war over LB next season as he continues to improve and the Suns will not be able to afford him. I want the Suns young nucleus to grow. I'm thinking LB will just get better now that he only has to think of himself as a SG that has to play defense. I think the PG responsibilities was a burden for him. I still remember the Suns giving him a long list of things he had to do in the game... sometimes too long.

However, I think with time, LB may still turn into that PG or combo guard the Suns envisioned without the pressure of having to do so now. And what a future roster, having the luxury of having two PG's on the floor at the same time. Although LB is only about 6'3" his wingspan and quickness should soon make him a forminable defender.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I do not think Diaw will get that much. It will be interesting to see how much he really gets.

if he's offered anything less than 5 years, 50 million, a deal doesn't get done. That's my prediction.

 

[Joe Mama]

Contracts are really getting out of hand in the league.

Guys making $10mil+ per year based on potential.

Guess we have to say thanks to the agents and teams of Nene,Chandler,Dalembert and any other bigman that got a huge contract because they might become allstars in the future.

Diaw at most should get a $45Mil deal over 5 years, but we'll end up paying him $11mil per when he hasnt even made an allstar team or broken 20ppg.

I'm not saying don't give him the money, cause he has the potential to be real important to our title run, but jesus christ... $11Mil per for 13/6/6, wtf?

Diaw better play out of his mind if he gets that deal and fulfill his potential.

I agree. NBA salaries are out of control. I can't believe a guy like Nene is getting a contract averaging $3 million per season much less $10 million. I like the Banks signing, but $4 million per season seems a little crazy for a backup point guard who's played half a good season.

I think on average players are making about three times what they really should today.

Joe

 

[Azlen]

I do not think Diaw will get that much. It will be interesting to see how much he really gets.

On this board, he'll either get too much or Sarver is too cheap. There is no middle ground.

If we can post excerpts, here is what he said about Diaw.

Boris Diaw, Suns
Last year's Most Improved Player shocked and awed with his ability to beat opposing big men from the high post and find open teammates. Moreover, the general consensus is that he's still just scratching the surface of his potential. That and the strength of his 2005-06 season will earn him a nice reward.
Forecast: Five years, $55 million

 

[NastyOne]

On this board, he'll either get too much or Sarver is too cheap. There is no middle ground.

If we can post excerpts, here is what he said about Diaw.

Boris Diaw, Suns
Last year's Most Improved Player shocked and awed with his ability to beat opposing big men from the high post and find open teammates. Moreover, the general consensus is that he's still just scratching the surface of his potential. That and the strength of his 2005-06 season will earn him a nice reward.
Forecast: Five years, $55 million

I call Sarver cheap alot because he seems to penny pinch when he gets the chance, but if he decides to make Diaw play another season cause hes asking for $11mil per, then i won't hate him for that.(I too want to see Diaw repeat or better last seasons performance, including the playoffs)

If we go into the season without extending Diaw and he explodes pricing himself out of our range, then atleast we can try and sign and trade him with Atlanta's pick and move up enough to get the #1 pick where we would select Greg Oden.

 

[Gaddabout]

If we go into the season without extending Diaw and he explodes pricing himself out of our range, then atleast we can try and sign and trade him with Atlanta's pick and move up enough to get the #1 pick where we would select Greg Oden.

I've been mulling the EC rosters. They're all pretty mediocre/bad in the middle- to bottom-tier teams. Atlanta's got a gunner's chance at making the playoffs, or at the very least making the pick not as desirable as we discuss here. I can envision a No. 11 or 12 pick. For that reason, I'm not putting any weight in that pick as something we could use to measurably improve ourselves.

If the Hawks getting anything in return for Harrington, they could become a legit playoff contender over night.

 

[Gaddabout]

I think on average players are making about three times what they really should today.

As long as NBA revenues exceed NBA salaries, free agency is working exactly the way it's supposed to: Reward the people who make the NBA a marketable, profitable product. I can look at specific players and shake my head, but I have a hard time making general statements like that. It's like saying Julia Roberts is overpaid at $25 million a picture ... she gets paid that much because her movies are still profitable. Her image and persona are every bit as marketable as the movie itself, regardless of how you and I might wish our wives/girlfriends would spend more time pondering the rich cultural subtext of Die Hard.

Market economics don't have to comply with common sense, but in a truly competitive environment, in the face of return > investment, they must always be considered fair.

 

[F-Dog]

Salary cap numbers for the past 20 years:

2007--$53 million
2003--$40 million
1999--$30 million
1995--$16 million
1991--$12 million
1987--$5 million

There are two reasons the salaries seem outrageous. First, that the cap has grown so fast, current contracts don't bear much relationship to contracts from the past. Second, teams don't offer contracts assuming that the cap will hold steady over the next four years. I'm sure everybody assumes the cap will be over $65m in 2010/11, maybe over $70m.

The first year of a player's contract is what's important. With max increases, he'll have about the same impact on his team's salary cap in future years as he does the first year of his deal.

 

[F-Dog]

I can envision a No. 11 or 12 pick. For that reason, I'm not putting any weight in that pick as something we could use to measurably improve ourselves.

Even at 11 or 12, that pick is going to be pretty good. It won't be Joaquim Noah, but the BPA will be an impact player.

I'm beginning to think that's a good spot for 'Big Baby'.

 

[playstation]

As long as NBA revenues exceed NBA salaries, free agency is working exactly the way it's supposed to: Reward the people who make the NBA a marketable, profitable product. I can look at specific players and shake my head, but I have a hard time making general statements like that. It's like saying Julia Roberts is overpaid at $25 million a picture ... she gets paid that much because her movies are still profitable. Her image and persona are every bit as marketable as the movie itself, regardless of how you and I might wish our wives/girlfriends would spend more time pondering the rich cultural subtext of Die Hard.

Market economics don't have to comply with common sense, but in a truly competitive environment, in the face of return > investment, they must always be considered fair.

LOL

you contradicted youself. "true market environment" does not involve guaranteed contracts. this is akin to columbia pictures signing julia roberts to a 5 picture/$100M deal, and the first one bombs. its not worth that type of risk to make such a gamble, but NBAPA is WAY stronger than SAG, so the NBA has to deal with that crap.

Unions are the opposite of a free market, they bastardize reality, resulting in superstar players getting less than their worth and average players getting more...

 

[pokerface]

I call Sarver cheap alot because he seems to penny pinch when he gets the chance, but if he decides to make Diaw play another season cause hes asking for $11mil per, then i won't hate him for that.(I too want to see Diaw repeat or better last seasons performance, including the playoffs)

If we go into the season without extending Diaw and he explodes pricing himself out of our range, then atleast we can try and sign and trade him with Atlanta's pick and move up enough to get the #1 pick where we would select Greg Oden.

I hope someday I'll find a post of yours I agree with.