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This doesn't surprise me. The Suns are missing some truly important cogs, and the Hornets are not a terrible team at all. I wouldn't be surprised if the Suns are a little shell-shocked and demoralized from all the injuries.

The problem is we've been playing like this before the injuries. This has been going on since we played the Knicks.

For the last 3 games this team is playing gutless, dumb basketball
 

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Evil Ash said:
The problem is we've been playing like this before the injuries. This has been going on since we played the Knicks.

For the last 3 games this team is playing gutless, dumb basketball

I think that's because teams now know how to deal with Diaw and he is no more so effective at the offensive end.
 

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Eric....win or lose...

Can you go ahead and reiterate your thoughts on the signing of Eddie House you had before the season..:D
 

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I think that's because teams now know how to deal with Diaw and he is no more so effective at the offensive end.

Thats part of it but why do we refuse to drive for 90% of the game? It doesn't make any sense
 

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Evil Ash said:
Thats part of it but why do we refuse to drive for 90% of the game? It doesn't make any sense

So all of a sudden Diaw is ineffective....??

Guys we have had a tough three games because the facts are we have played alot of games ion alot of days and HELLO...we run alot. Plus our depth has been zapped by the injuries to Jones and Barbosa...

Calm down...the sky is not falling....

We are somewhere in between the team that won 9 straight and the team thats about to lose two in a row...

But we are a playoff team with no Amare so just chill out...ya'all are running around like chickens with your head cut off because we are having a tought ime with NO....

News falsh....in the last two days...

SA lost to Atl
Dal lost to the Lakers
and Detroit is about to lose to the Jazz

just simmer down...it happens
 

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Eric....win or lose...

Can you go ahead and reiterate your thoughts on the signing of Eddie House you had before the season


I could, but that would miss the point. He can't be evaluated on the basis of a couple of games, whether they are good or bad. That's why I've been begging people to look at larger samples of what he's done historically.

So far, he's still having a career year. We'll see if it keeps up.
 

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Marion for Artest and Gazuric!

Who does Indiana send to Milwaukee in order to balance the salaries?

In any case, I don't think Artest is worth the risk if the Suns have to give up a core piece. Let someone else roll those dice. (And someone will.)
 

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Arizona's Finest said:
So all of a sudden Diaw is ineffective....??

Guys we have had a tough three games because the facts are we have played alot of games ion alot of days and HELLO...we run alot. Plus our depth has been zapped by the injuries to Jones and Barbosa...

Calm down...the sky is not falling....

We are somewhere in between the team that won 9 straight and the team thats about to lose two in a row...

But we are a playoff team with no Amare so just chill out...ya'all are running around like chickens with your head cut off because we are having a tought ime with NO....

News falsh....in the last two days...

SA lost to Atl
Dal lost to the Lakers
and Detroit is about to lose to the Jazz

just simmer down...it happens

I hear ya. Some of you need to take a deep breath. Games like this happen.

My only real concern is keeping enough warm bodies healthy. We can't have any more go down. If so, other teams are going to smell blood.

- Jimmy Jackson. So far this year... he's got the bugaboo of all bugaboos. What the hell did this guy do in the off-season?

- Shawn Marion. Eddie Johnson needs to grab him by the side and impart some of his knowledge on him. His shot just doesn't look right. His release point is a mess.

- Eddie House. If he's going to be the backup PG for any length of time, we're in serious trouble. And, I mean serious trouble.

- Kurt Thomas. He's a rock. Great trade. Amare and KT are going to cause hell.

- Raja Bell. We need that from him every night. He's getting a rep. The word is out on Bell. He's our Rodman, Artest, Laimbeer. Come playoff time, opposing SG's are gonna be in for a rough series.

Screw the regular season. Let's just fast forward 50 games, get Amare and Barbosa back to 100%, and start rolling over teams.
 

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Wow, Pistons lost to Utah in a blowout?

Mavs lost to Lakers?

I guess we can lose to Hornets then. lol


But I really want to tie with Clippers. That sucks. We have too many injures now.
 

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What's wrong with Jim Jackson? 0/5? Is he that cold now?
 

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jibikao said:
What's wrong with Jim Jackson? 0/5? Is he that cold now?

Yes. He's been horrible all season. I'm not sure if it's the lack of consistant minutes or his age to blame.
 

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The Suns training room must look like a MASH unit.

Amare - Knee - Out til Feb
Grant - Knee - Out til March
Barbosa - Knee - Out 3 to 4 weeks
JR - Sprained ankle - Day to day, as are we all
Burke - Bad neck, shoulder
Ford - Sprained ankle
Eddie - Hammy problems
KT - Hope he is ok

The news this morning said that 9 players were receiving treatment for various injuries. Who else is ailing that we have not heard about?

If anyone else is injured, to even a minor degree, each game will be a dog fight. Every injury puts more wear and tear on the remaining players, thus making them more prone to accidents/injury.

I think we need a sticky for injuries, just to keep up on the status of who is hurt and what their anticipated return dates are.
 

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There is no way you can change Marion's shot. He has shot that way his entire career and gets VERY upset when it is remotely mentioned.
 

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sly fly said:
I hear ya. Some of you need to take a deep breath. Games like this happen.

My only real concern is keeping enough warm bodies healthy. We can't have any more go down. If so, other teams are going to smell blood.

- Jimmy Jackson. So far this year... he's got the bugaboo of all bugaboos. What the hell did this guy do in the off-season?

- Shawn Marion. Eddie Johnson needs to grab him by the side and impart some of his knowledge on him. His shot just doesn't look right. His release point is a mess.

- Eddie House. If he's going to be the backup PG for any length of time, we're in serious trouble. And, I mean serious trouble.

- Kurt Thomas. He's a rock. Great trade. Amare and KT are going to cause hell.

- Raja Bell. We need that from him every night. He's getting a rep. The word is out on Bell. He's our Rodman, Artest, Laimbeer. Come playoff time, opposing SG's are gonna be in for a rough series.

Screw the regular season. Let's just fast forward 50 games, get Amare and Barbosa back to 100%, and start rolling over teams.

I can't believe I am going to be the voice of reason here, but nice post, except for the marion part, sanders is right he does freak out when that gets mentioned..
 

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Teams have figured out how to take us out of our game.......Drive the ball to the basket, initiate the contact and get us in foul trouble. The last 3 games have been the same look and we'll probably see more and more of it. Diaw, KT & Bell with 2 fouls each in the 1st 4 minutes of the game and little bench due to injuries. It also slows the game down and beats our guys up in general (wearing us down).
 

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Forgot the game was on tonight so I missed it, but reading the box I thought one stat told the story eloquently - 7 FTAs. Shades of the Knicks game where we went into the 4th Q wo one FTA, and ended up with a similar number because the Knicks started intentionally fouling at the end.

I think we are seeing the downside of D'Antoni's coaching philosophy. We have no plays (that we use) that have anyone going to the hoop except the pick & roll so the coach or Nash has no way of getting guys to make cuts to the hoop if they are not inclined to do it on their own.

I know I've been ragging on Shawn for staying outside too much since the Nets game but it's a subtle swipe at D'Antoni, too, because it's his job to make sure the players are doing what he wants, so he's either not doing his job or he's content with Shawn loitering on the perimeter, which is just as bad. The same is true of Shawn's crummy job on the P&R, which several people have commented on of late - is D'Antoni afraid it would hurt the morale if he insisted on Shawn actually staying with the pick or is he just so unaware he doesn't see it?

I did see Shawn set a pick for Raja in the Clips game... almost fell out of my chair. Shawn intentionally held the pick - it was not a P&R role situation . (But Bell did have the ball so Shawn has maintained his perfect record of never having set an off ball pick. And, yes, that is another swipe at the coaches.)

The obvious reason we lost the game was the injuries, JJax's continued terrible shooting, House having an off game at home, etc. But D'Antoni's offense is still sub optimal and with some way to force the players to make cuts Nash might have gotten them out of the doldrums - and picked up a few more FTAs.

IMO, if JJax would start making some cuts and setting some off-ball picks for his teammates - even post up some - he'd get into the flow of the game and get back into form. You'd think he's enough of a vet to know that himself but apparently he's not and since the coach doesn't teach or value such things it may linger on and on. Twenty-five minutes a game might fix him, too, and maybe that will be forced on D'Antoni.

I think this goes all the way back to coach Mikey not starting JJax at the beginning of the year - on the basis that he'd earned it last year and someone had to beat him out in games that counted. (This is an example of what I mentioned before, coaches judgement being hurt by what they see in practice!)
 

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The biggest problem was the opposite sides of the free throw pendulum we have been on especially tonight. We are barely getting to the free throw line, and yet are fouling like crazy.

7 compared to 23 free throws... They tripled +2 our free throws! This is one area where sometimes it is easy to forget about Amare.

Even if hornets shot .714 like we did (hornets hit .826) that is an 11 point game, in which suns would have won with the 11 extra points.

If we are going to foul so much me need someone who has a killer instinct near the hoop to get layups/dunks/freethrows. Unfortunately we already have the #1 person in the nba in that aspect but he is injured. So I guess we have to wait and tough this one out.

Oh, and we also have had some problems lately with turnovers.

*edit: Basically I have been thinking that we got on a good role but our team currently is not really as good as they seemed to be during the win streak, we switched to a plan z when the wins started but now it is time to realize it is back to plan A; Hover around .500 until Amare gets back.

Without his inside presence that entails everything from ferocious Dunks, assisted scores from nash, free throws, opening up outside shooting, to rebounds, and getting teams in foul trouble we are missing a big element and we might have sort of forgotten that on this win streak.

Back to plan A guys, do our best to stay at .500
 
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elindholm said:
in other news Channing Frye scored 30 tonight, here comes the threads about how we should trade for him.

The Knicks have not publicly announced that they're shopping him, so I don't get the point of this analogy.


I was talking about how anytime a player does well that went to UA or either one that the suns COULD have drafted (Not frye in this case) the trade proposals start up.
 

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Chris_Sanders said:
There is no way you can change Marion's shot. He has shot that way his entire career and gets VERY upset when it is remotely mentioned.

I'm not talking about dramatically overhauling his shot.

Every player goes through a period of time in which certain mechanics go bye-bye. I'm sure Marion would welcome (and probably has already been receiving) words of wisdom from the coaches.

I've never had a problem with Marion's form. It's always worked for him, and just always accepted what he brough to the table.

But, I've definitely noticed a "small" hitch in his mechanics. Kind of like not staying with the shot. His release point has been too low.

As of now, teams are once again going to dare Marion to beat them from 3. Until then, Marion just needs to put the ball on the floor and head straight to the basket.
 

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It's a mental thing right now with shawn, he is thinking instead of playing in the flow . Same thing on the free throw line he is thinking about his shoot and choking, thats the confident factor. When your confidence is high you just play hard and don't think. although his inbound pass last night was definitly a no thinking thing. :(
 

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