How Attractive is the AZ Job?

[SoCal Cardfan]

If the bar was too high because of BA.... Wilkes set it to a level where Mutombo could limbo beneath it while heavily intoxicated.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I agree. Also #1 pick and cap room.

As bad as the Cardinals are, they could turn it around with moderate difficulty.

Sign 2 decent veteran receivers, an average TE, a decent OLineman and the offense can be decent.

Imagine adding another good pass Rusher to pair with CJ? Yeah I think Keim can turn this team around.

 

[cardncubfan]

You’re fooling yourself if you think lame duck GM is not a factor in the best candidates’ analysis of which jobs to pursue. But I’m sure if any of them pass in us you’ll find reasons why they weee going to be terrible here.

I think you are fooling yourself if you think we have a lame duck GM. Bidwill loves Keim & just signed him to a huge extension.

 

[cardncubfan]

By the way, wouldn't being labeled a lame duck GM mean he's already fired at the end of this year no matter what happens? Don't really get that label.

 

[Willie D]

And the trump to all of this, even if accepted, is that there are only 32 of these gigs and they pay multi-millions.

You're re-framing the question. Is this job good compared to being a forest ranger? In many respects, yes. But how desirable is it compared to the other 31 jobs? I say it's in the lower 1/4th.

 

[cardncubfan]

You're re-framing the question. Is this job good compared to being a forest ranger? In many respects, yes. But how desirable is it compared to the other 31 jobs? I say it's in the lower 1/4th.

I would prefer being a forest ranger. Just saying. Not saying you are right or wrong.

 

[Zeno]

You're re-framing the question. Is this job good compared to being a forest ranger? In many respects, yes. But how desirable is it compared to the other 31 jobs? I say it's in the lower 1/4th.

Well 31 other jobs aren’t available right now, 7 others are. I would say we are among the top 3-4 available right now.

 

[GuernseyCard]

You're re-framing the question. Is this job good compared to being a forest ranger? In many respects, yes. But how desirable is it compared to the other 31 jobs? I say it's in the lower 1/4th.

Well, given that is approximately the % of H-C jobs actually available, you're right.

 

[moosehead]

http://arizonasports.com/story/1789...IiKOI71q0GyXfh41nH0Okhp-HhGifkCoPnqzfurCAaU2k

Still, only the Cincinnati Bengals finished below the Cardinals in the NFL insiders’ combined ranking of the open head coaching gigs.

 

[Phrazbit]

I mentioned this in the other thread.

IMO, Kiem's job status is likely a huge turnoff. If you're a guy who knows he can get a head coaching job then I suspect you'd be looking for the most assured job security. Working under a GM who will get fired if the team does not improve is a tough situation.

We have stable ownership that I think has been very fair to their employees but by not firing Kiem the new coach needs to succeed quickly or we will be in for a continued ride on the roller coaster.

2019: New coach
2020: If "new coach" doesn't turn things around then "New GM"
2021: If the team isn't doing pretty damn well... probably another new coach, seeing as the "New GM" will want their own guy.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

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[juza76]

Bidwill said the cardinals are attractive cause they have talent on the roster and the qbotf

probably others see something different

at this point Rosen doesnt attract anyone

 

[TRW]

I think that the Cardinals are NOT the destination for a "top tier" coach or coaching prospect. That's why they end up being jilted at the altar several times before a BA, Wilks and even Whisenhunt take the offer when there are no other options. Sometimes it works out OK and sometimes it doesn't. Just look at the coaches they have had since they moved here. Not a Hall of Fame class by any means.

The ownership of the Cardinals from Grandpa to Dad to Son has been historically a pathetic organization. Michael has improved that image to some extent but this is not an organization that is really highly thought of around the league, at least that's my impression. I would say the Cardinals are now above only Cincinnati, the Jets, the Giants and Cleveland in ownership ineptitude. Cleveland has some cache' because of Mayfield and the young guns they drafted but they will screw it up somehow I'm sure LOL.

Anyway, as Cards fans hope it changes but it really rarely ever does.

 

[TRW]

Bidwill said the cardinals are attractive cause they have talent on the roster and the qbotf

probably others see something different

at this point Rosen doesnt attract anyone

At this point I don't think Michael and Steve attract anyone either.

 

[BigRedRage]

And who did he inherit it from? Can I then point to Matt Patricia taking a 9-7 team and turned it into a 6-10 team? And what did that 13 win Cardinal team turn into the next 2 years? I'm not saying it's impossible but depending on the team. Also, I never said it would take 5 years to turn a team around but are you guys saying that this must be a championship team in 3 years or else?

Playoff team, yes. Not championship

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[BigRedRage]

If you mean "in Phoenix", then yes.

Lol

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think you are fooling yourself if you think we have a lame duck GM. Bidwill loves Keim & just signed him to a huge extension.

And then he got a nationally embarrassing DUI, was suspended during training camp, and admitted himself that he needed to win this win. Of course MB is going to say he loves Keim right now. He has to. But you keep drinking everything the cards feed you . . .

 

[BigRedRage]

Not what I was responding to ("Firing a HC after just one season ... may very well cause candidates to not consider the Cardinals.") but Bidwill sure seemed to dispel the notion that Keim is on the hot seat. I think Keim will last as long as the next coach (if he doesn't turn the team around) or longer (if he does).

...dbs

Which makes perfect sense

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[HGC]

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Sounds about right

 

[cardncubfan]

And then he got a nationally embarrassing DUI, was suspended during training camp, and admitted himself that he needed to win this win. Of course MB is going to say he loves Keim right now. He has to. But you keep drinking everything the cards feed you . . .

Ok

 

[PACardsFan]

And then he got a nationally embarrassing DUI, was suspended during training camp, and admitted himself that he needed to win this win. Of course MB is going to say he loves Keim right now. He has to. But you keep drinking everything the cards feed you . . .

I know MANY great people that have fallen prey to a DUI. In most cases, it was the best thing that ever happened to them. They cleaned themselves up, got back in the saddle, and are even better professionally than before the DUI took place. Unless MB is lying, Keim has done everything asked of him in regards to the DUI. I'll take his 49-30 record prior to the 2018 season & see if he returns to the form that earned him 2 Executive of the Year awards.

 

[az jam]

I know MANY great people that have fallen prey to a DUI. In most cases, it was the best thing that ever happened to them. They cleaned themselves up, got back in the saddle, and are even better professionally than before the DUI took place. Unless MB is lying, Keim has done everything asked of him in regards to the DUI. I'll take his 49-30 record prior to the 2018 season & see if he returns to the form that earned him 2 Executive of the Year awards.

I know several people that also had DUIs and I agree with you, they really cleaned up their act. I also have no problem giving Keim another chance to fix the roster. I prefer him than bringing in a new GM. Just my two cents.

 

[juza76]

Ok keim got another chance to redeem himself and fix the damages he made with draft and free agency

But my concern is about bidwill
Did he keep keim cause he trust him or just because he doesnt want pay another to GM?

 

[TRW]

Ok keim got another chance to redeem himself and fix the damages he made with draft and free agency

But my concern is about bidwill
Did he keep keim cause he trust him or just because he doesnt want pay another to GM?

He kept him because of the cronyism that has ALWAYS been a part of the Cardinal franchise. The Bidwills are loyal to a fault to some of those in their employ. It's an admirable trait but can also cause years and years of problems, i.e.-George Boone, Rod Graves.

Keim is a part of their "family". It will take quite a few years of bad, losing teams for him to get fired IMO.

 

[GuernseyCard]

He kept him because of the cronyism that has ALWAYS been a part of the Cardinal franchise. The Bidwills are loyal to a fault to some of those in their employ. It's an admiral trait but can also cause years and years of problems, i.e.-George Boone, Rod Graves.

Keim is a part of their "family". It will take quite a few years of bad, losing teams for him to get fired IMO.

Cronyism is the appointment of friends and associates to positions of authority, without proper regard to their qualifications. Rod Graves may not have been particularly good at the job, however, he was qualified and did convince Dollar Bill to structure contracts more in keeping with League standards. Keim is clearly qualified for the job and two Executive of the Year awards speaks to the fact that it's recognized by his peers.

BIM: admirable