How did we not agree to a trade???

[JeffGollin]

Apparently we learned our lesson (about not trading down out of the elite player range).

Problems with a trade with Atlanta: (1) Peterson is considered an elite CB - one who when paired with DRC (when he's at the top of his game) gives us a CB tandem similar to the Jets and (2) We'd have to trade down all the way to #27.

The last time we did something like that was when we passed over Suggs, Trufant and Kevin Williams in order to draft Bryant Johnson (who?) and Calvin Pace - not an especially savvy move.

 

[THESMEL]

well we traded the better part of the Q trade to move up for DWASH, We would consider trading Fitz for what Cleveland got!

2 - 1st! for Q would have been hands down to the freakin 9ers!

we could have got Kolb twice with those picks!

by the chart 5th overall is 1700 points, the value of those picks at least doubles that +

 

[Zeno]

Yeah, that's a fair statement...

If RG was a good GM, we could have used those picks to trade for a good veteran or at the very LEAST, selected players that weren't rated as 2nd rounders or worse... If we had a different GM that did that trade, we'd probably be happy with how that turned out.

And can you name a current cornerback that you wouldn't trade for all those picks other than NO or DR? Still haven't gotten anyone to answer that so apparently everyone is guaranteeing that Peterson will be as good as those two.

Again you are acting like whoever we drafted would be better than Peterson. This is a team that needs playmakers, we can't trade away the chance at taking to quote PFW "one of the most physically gifted CB playmakers since Charles Woodson" or that Lindy's calls "a freakish athlete proven as a shutdown corner and dynamic returner against SEC competition".

 

[Syracusecards]

And you can 100% guarantee that whoever we picked late in round 1 or round 2 would be better than Peterson in the long run? The guy is thought by a lot of scouts as being the #1 prospect in the draft and numerous scouts say he is one of the 3 safest picks, you don't give up on a potential Charles Woodson for a handful of unknowns.

I can 100% guarantee that having all those picks would allow us the flexibilty to A) Get Kevin Kolb(not saying I'm in that camp), B) Get Carson Palmer(if available for trade), C) get some other PROVEN veteran that could help this team, D) Trade SOME(NOT ALL) of the picks to draft a player we want this year or next, E) Trade back for more picks this year or next to continue stockpiling picks while still picking in the same round to allow even MORE flexibility in trading for proven players F) etc....

I can 100% guarantee that our decision to not do that trade gives us two options. A) We have a Probowl Corner (and again, only 2 in the league I wouldn't do this deal for, odds are he's not going to be as good as them) B) He's just above average and 5 years from now we're kicking ourselves for not seizing an opportunity to build an entire team instead of taking one player.

This is getting misconstrued that I don't like him. I just think that deal was WAAAAY too good to pass up. And a CB isn't going to solve all the issues that this deal had the potential to address.

 

[conraddobler]

I can 100% guarantee that having all those picks would allow us the flexibilty to A) Get Kevin Kolb(not saying I'm in that camp), B) Get Carson Palmer(if available for trade), C) get some other PROVEN veteran that could help this team, D) Trade SOME(NOT ALL) of the picks to draft a player we want this year or next, E) Trade back for more picks this year or next to continue stockpiling picks while still picking in the same round to allow even MORE flexibility in trading for proven players F) etc....

I can 100% guarantee that our decision to not do that trade gives us two options. A) We have a Probowl Corner (and again, only 2 in the league I wouldn't do this deal for, odds are he's not going to be as good as them) B) He's just above average and 5 years from now we're kicking ourselves for not seizing an opportunity to build an entire team instead of taking one player.

This is getting misconstrued that I don't like him. I just think that deal was WAAAAY too good to pass up. And a CB isn't going to solve all the issues that this deal had the potential to address.

For what it's worth if I was a GM I'd of traded him for the picks in a heartbeat.

That's I think a proven model the Pats use, but what do they know?

 

[Syracusecards]

Atlanta was dead set on Julio Jones, the reason they had to give up another 1st rounder was because they have a pick in the late 20's. Dallas was the team most likely to trade up for PP and we would not have gotten a future 1st round pick from them, ESPN has a chart that values draft picks with a point system when trading in the draft and that is why Atlanta gave up so much. Anyone else drafting in the first 3rd of the draft wouldn't give up another first.

Calm the ____ down and enjoy that we took the BPA.

Believe it or not, I'm really not all that riled up. I just like a good debate.

 

[Zeno]

I can 100% guarantee that having all those picks would allow us the flexibilty to A) Get Kevin Kolb(not saying I'm in that camp), B) Get Carson Palmer(if available for trade), C) get some other PROVEN veteran that could help this team, D) Trade SOME(NOT ALL) of the picks to draft a player we want this year or next, E) Trade back for more picks this year or next to continue stockpiling picks while still picking in the same round to allow even MORE flexibility in trading for proven players F) etc....

We GOT the player we wanted THIS year without giving up a thing...the team wanted PP and didn't see the value trading down in to the late 20's (and likely late 20's again NEXT season).

 

[Syracusecards]

Can someone please just acknowledge that those picks could have ALSO been used to trade for a proven veteran player? So far every reply has been about only being able to use them for another draft pick. For example, we traded a pick for Kerry Rhodes. I'd say that was a pretty damn good trade. 4th rounder I believe? Yeah, we'd have two of those this year and two next.

 

[joeshmo]

For what it's worth if I was a GM I'd of traded him for the picks in a heartbeat.

That's I think a proven model the Pats use, but what do they know?

Have they ever moved down 22 spots in the first round? Went from top 10 to low 20's? If they have then sure its a Pats model. But from my recollection they never have so how exactly is it a Pats Model?

The Pats model is to drop back a few spots and collect picks. The Pats model is to drop from the end of the 1st round into the 2nd round. Would the Pats model really have dropped from #5 to #27, since people are making 100% guarantee's here then I will to, I 100% guarantee the Pats would not have made that trade. See I can make 100% guarantee's just as easily.

 

[Russ Smith]

So what? It's still a pick they could use to trade up for an elite prospect next year. Or a pick they could trade for a veteran player. With all those picks, the opportunity is much greater to get better with more quality players, OR, use those picks to trade up for an elite player in the draft next year.

And the way 1st place teams have gone to the cellar and last place teams have gone to 1st year to year, there's no guarantee Atlanta is going to be as good this year anyway.

Likely the only guy worth that next year is Luck, and I doubt anybody bad enough to get the 1st pick is going to trade it when Luck is in the draft.

 

[Zeno]

Can someone please just acknowledge that those picks could have ALSO been used to trade for a proven veteran player? So far every reply has been about only being able to use them for another draft pick. For example, we traded a pick for Kerry Rhodes. I'd say that was a pretty damn good trade. 4th rounder I believe? Yeah, we'd have two of those this year and two next.

Not this year they couldn't have...no movement of veterans yet either by trade or free agency.

 

[joeshmo]

Can someone please just acknowledge that those picks could have ALSO been used to trade for a proven veteran player?

Why do you keep asking. You already know the answer. They could be used for Kolb, Palmer, McNabb, or none of those guys get traded at all. They could have also been used for a Veteran that doesn't work out, they could have been used for a draft pick that doesn't work out, they could have been used on a pile of crap. You are acting as if Players are getting traded willy nilly around the NFL. You are acting as if players can actually be traded this year of which we do not know yet.

 

[Russ Smith]

For what it's worth if I was a GM I'd of traded him for the picks in a heartbeat.

That's I think a proven model the Pats use, but what do they know?

They know they have a HOF QB and if they get enough pieces around him they can continue to win. Last time I checked our HOF QB was working for FOX.

 

[joeshmo]

Likely the only guy worth that next year is Luck, and I doubt anybody bad enough to get the 1st pick is going to trade it when Luck is in the draft.

And we have a winner. Who wants to be known as the guy that traded away Luck?

 

[Syracusecards]

Have they ever moved down 22 spots in the first round? Went from top 10 to low 20's? If they have then sure its a Pats model. But from my recollection they never have so how exactly is it a Pats Model?

The Pats model is to drop back a few spots and collect picks. The Pats model is to drop from the end of the 1st round into the 2nd round. Would the Pats model really have dropped from #5 to #27, since people are making 100% guarantee's here then I will to, I 100% guarantee the Pats would not have made that trade. See I can make 100% guarantee's just as easily.

They haven't had a pick that low so there's no way to know if they would(I think the lowest they've had in 10 years is 13th). But IMO I think they would have done the deal if they if they were in our place.

 

[Syracusecards]

Likely the only guy worth that next year is Luck, and I doubt anybody bad enough to get the 1st pick is going to trade it when Luck is in the draft.

I could see Carolina having the first pick again next year. Tough division, rookie QB, and a lot of holes. I'd think they'd be willing trade partners if they ended up with the 1st pick.

 

[binkar]

I would have traded in a heart beat for what Cleveland got, but PP is a bad ass with a low wonderlic.

could have been an NFC thingy?

well we traded the better part of the Q trade to move up for DWASH, We would consider trading Fitz for what Cleveland got!

2 - 1st! for Q would have been hands down to the freakin 9ers!

Am I the only one who doesn't understand what this means? Not trying to be rude, it could really just be that I am not very smart, but I don't know what in the world your trying to say here.

 

[Zeno]

Am I the only one who doesn't understand what this means? Not trying to be rude, it could really just be that I am not very smart, but I don't know what in the world your trying to say here.

You are not alone. Reading his posts give me a headache.

 

[Syracusecards]

Why do you keep asking. You already know the answer. They could be used for Kolb, Palmer, McNabb, or none of those guys get traded at all. They could have also been used for a Veteran that doesn't work out, they could have been used for a draft pick that doesn't work out, they could have been used on a pile of crap. You are acting as if Players are getting traded willy nilly around the NFL. You are acting as if players can actually be traded this year of which we do not know yet.

I'm asking because as I said, the replies have only been based on trading for draft picks instead of veterans... And no, we don't know what's going to happen this year, or next. But at least we'd have some cash in the bank if things work out where we could trade for a veteran.

Speaking of questions I keep asking, can you name a veteran cornerback in the league other than DR and NO that you wouldn't trade for all of those picks?

I guess timing is everything because I would bet that if I started a poll before the draft if someone would give up our 5th for all those picks, people would have said they would(I checked to see if there was a poll like that and couldn't find one).

 

[Buckybird]

And the way 1st place teams have gone to the cellar and last place teams have gone to 1st year to year, there's no guarantee Atlanta is going to be as good this year anyway.

As long as they have an upper echelon QB chances of being a cellar dweller are slim.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Dude, we could have had 2 #1 picks next year, 2 2nds and 2 4ths this year, and 2 4th's next year. All that equals being able to trade up this year to get a player you want and still keep some of those picks, OR, using those picks next year to trade up for Andrew Luck. I'd take that any day over Peterson. Don't get me wrong, I like Peterson, but name me a corner other than Revis and Nhamdi O in the last 10 years that you wouldn't trade for all those picks. That's one of the reasons the Patriots are always good. They stockpile picks and they can pretty much have their way with the draft. We just had our opportunity to do that, and we blew it.

In hindsight. And who says people won't be saying much the same of Peterson in years to come. Oh!... wouldn't you love to see Peterson in 49er red.

 

[desertdawg]

I'll admit I didn't read this thread, and I'll admit I'm glad I didn't have too.

 

[Syracusecards]

I'll admit I didn't read this thread, and I'll admit I'm glad I didn't have too.

So you're disagreeing without knowing why you're disagreeing or what you're disagreeing about...that makes sense.

 

[THESMEL]

wow

I'm such a problem, again,

Myself and the entire NFL had Q rated as an elite player, Just what the hell did we get for Boldin?

2- 1st round picks, a 2nd , 2 -4ths for PP, makes him more value than the Arizona Cardinals for christ sake!

We would have to give away our entire last 3 years drafts just to get rid of our scrub QB's!

After Whiz's playcalling, Beanie aint worth poot! DRC? DWILL? DWASH? Levi?

as soon as a player run into iron nuts Whisenhunt their value plummets! Name one that has gained value under Ken Whisenhunt since the SB?

Can you understand that,

Of course Porter and Faneca are worth a mint, DD too!

CC , Watson, Branch, Deuce, Lyle, Reggie Wells, Breaston, Patrick aint worth a contract!

Whiz has signed drafted Cardinals, DD, AW and Fitz in 5 years. of course that is too complicated to understand! I'm the problem, blame me.







ote=Zeno;2441555]You are not alone. Reading his posts give me a headache.[/quote]

 

[CtCardinals78]

I'm such a problem, again,

Myself and the entire NFL had Q rated as an elite player, Just what the hell did we get for Boldin?

2- 1st round picks, a 2nd , 2 -4ths for PP, makes him more value than the Arizona Cardinals for christ sake!

We would have to give away our entire last 3 years drafts just to get rid of our scrub QB's!

After Whiz's playcalling, Beanie aint worth poot! DRC? DWILL? DWASH? Levi?

as soon as a player run into iron nuts Whisenhunt their value plummets! Name one that has gained value under Ken Whisenhunt since the SB?

Can you understand that,

Of course Porter and Faneca are worth a mint, DD too!

CC , Watson, Branch, Deuce, Lyle, Reggie Wells, Breaston, Patrick aint worth a contract!

Whiz has signed drafted Cardinals, DD, AW and Fitz in 5 years. of course that is too complicated to understand! I'm the problem, blame me.







ote=Zeno;2441555]You are not alone. Reading his posts give me a headache.

[/QUOTE]

Will you ever be happy with anything this team does? My God, this is getting annoying.