Hypothetical.... if Amare had to be traded...

[jandaman]

Okay, many will disagree and curse me... probably.

But, I like Stoudemire and all, he is Suns franchise and all-star caliber big man.

Hypothetical... or atleast maybe a scenario in the near future.
Hoopsype.com has a exerpt from a "team insider" that Suns will not let them be held hostage by Stoudemire, if he isnt happy in Phoenix.

Anyways, if you HAVE to trade him... what scenarios would you pick.

And be realistic.... Stoudemire for Howard or James etc.. or Chris Paul etc.. are out of the question.



My likely or possible scenarios, and bare with me didnt really account salaries, maybe sign and trade or fillers.

BOBCATS:
Emeka Okafor
Raymond Felton

NETS:
Vince Carter
Brook Lopez

MAVS:
Dirk Nowitski

BULLS:
Gooden
Hinrich
Deng

HAWKS:
Horford
Williams
filler


HORNETS:
West
Pick(s)

WARRIORS:
Wright
Belinelli
Jackson
Pick(s)


BLAZERS:
Aldridge
Fernandez
filler




Any others?



The idea is obviously to still be competitive with the current roster, but change focus to Nash and O'Neal. Add a Carter or a Nowitski with that and it sounds enticing, fits the team structure at the moment also.

Knowing also, that in 2 seasons, a HUGE amount of salary space is available. The team can re-structure easily, hence trade scenarios that involve young players (Brook Lopez, Brandon Wright etc) comes handy.


thoughts?

remember, a hypothetical... and if simply Stoudemire HAD to be traded.

 

[cly2tw]

I only know that Hornets and Blazers will win a title in your trades for Amare.

 

[jandaman]

I only know that Hornets and Blazers will win a title in your trades for Amare.

which is a scenario I rather have (if Suns dont win it) than seeing Lakers hoist the trophy again (and their fans get even bigger heads).

Considering Blazers and Hornets are my 2nd and 3rd teams...

and losing Aldridge and Fernandez and adding Stoudemire, its kind of balanced.

Maybe add Bayless to that package.


So they have

Oden
Stoudemire
Outlaw
Roy
Blake

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Sadly the most realistic deal out of those is the Bulls deal. That really isnt a bad deal conidering if the Suns are going to trade Amare, he likely isnt going to resign with them anyway.

I think the Bulls would definitely take a shot on Amare and bringing him back and that package make a lot of sense for both teams. Hinrich and Deng are locked up long term, and Deng is probably the most talented player you can get back in an Amare trade, because he isnt playing with with Rose and doesnt really fit into their offense anymore.

The Blazers deal would look good, but in reality they dont need to trade for him, when they can just sign him in 2010 and then decide if they want to move Aldridge, while keeping Rudy.

 

[cly2tw]

Sadly the most realistic deal out of those is the Bulls deal. That really isnt a bad deal conidering if the Suns are going to trade Amare, he likely isnt going to resign with them anyway.

I think the Bulls would definitely take a shot on Amare and bringing him back and that package make a lot of sense for both teams. Hinrich and Deng are locked up long term, and Deng is probably the most talented player you can get back in an Amare trade, because he isnt playing with with Rose and doesnt really fit into their offense anymore.

The Blazers deal would look good, but in reality they dont need to trade for him, when they can just sign him in 2010 and then decide if they want to move Aldridge, while keeping Rudy.

But why do the Suns want anything from Deng and Hinrich? Both are marginal players with bloated contracts worse than Diaw and Barbosa.

A potential happy medium is probably with Hornets,

Amare/Bell for West/Peja and a pick.

Amare/Paul will be unstoppable against any defense. And Paul is a strong defender himself that the guards won't cause their bigs so much trouble as with the Suns. They will will a championship.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

But why do the Suns want anything from Deng and Hinrich? Both are marginal players with bloated contracts worse than Diaw and Barbosa.

A potential happy medium is probably with Hornets,

Amare/Bell for West/Peja and a pick.

Amare/Paul will be unstoppable against any defense. And Paul is a strong defender himself that the guards won't cause their bigs so much trouble as with the Suns. They will will a championship.

They fit into a halfcourt offense and are complementary players that would at least give the Suns some talent to work with. Amare isnt going to be traded, but that is a realistic trade, I just dont think the Suns move Amare.

That Hornets are a possibility, but both those guys are locked up long term, are good players, and fit into the NO offense. However, should things go sour this seaosn that is a deal that could happen this summer. Amare would be great with Paul, but the Hornets would have to be assured Amare would resign with them.

 

[arwillan]

the portland trade isn't all that bad, actually. we get a legit big man for a legit big man, which is something you have to get back when losing a guy like amare. if oden turns out the be the defensive specialist they hope he will, he and amare could make a very dangerous front court tandom. I just don't know that the blazers would give up fernandez AND aldridge for him. Maybe webster and aldridge would be more reasonable for them.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Of those trades, I like the Cats, Bulls, Hawks, Hornets and Blazer trades. I like the Bulls one a lot. I'd want something more back in the Blazers trade. Generally, all those trades are pretty even and this is a solid trade thread....

 

[cly2tw]

They fit into a halfcourt offense and are complementary players that would at least give the Suns some talent to work with. Amare isnt going to be traded, but that is a realistic trade, I just dont think the Suns move Amare.

That Hornets are a possibility, but both those guys are locked up long term, are good players, and fit into the NO offense. However, should things go sour this seaosn that is a deal that could happen this summer. Amare would be great with Paul, but the Hornets would have to be assured Amare would resign with them.

From the latest games, we just know it's not about Amare's talent but his motivation, when it comes to performance. So, any team would be think they could motivate him well enough to even want to trade him. But in that case, he'd be worth the best out there. Deng and Hinrich for Amare are just insult for Kerr's intelligence.

 

[carey]

Wouldn't a Dirk for Amare swap make a lot of sense? I bet it would really reinvigorate Nash and Dirk. I don't think we'd be in danger of becoming the Mavs of '03 either because we have Shaq, Barnes, and JR.

Edit: Would that team set a record for most MVPs on a team at once?

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I was almost ambivalent to the Mavs trade, but what carey says makes sense. Dirk might actually add the right dimension to this team. I can't take much more of Amare's lack of heart and that is one thing you cannot say about Dirk....

 

[JS22]

Amare for Dirk? Where do I sign up?

Some people here seem to think Dirk is soft, overrated, or washed up. But he's averaging 26/9 this year. Nash and Dirk back together would be awesome. He would fit perfectly. Shaq clogging the lane wouldn't be a problem with Dirks outside game.

Nash
Richardson
Barnes
Nowitzki
Shaq

Barbosa
Hill
Dudley
Amundson
Lopez

That is a ridiculous starting lineup, and a serviceable bench.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Yeah, you are dead on with that line up. Now I am firmly in support of that trade....

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Dirk wont look good in our orange jerseys, and very awkward in purple. I pass.

 

[jandaman]

Mavs need a shake up I thought, thats why I proposed the trade.

Stoudemire, offensive wise, we all know is unstoppable, but the lack of "heart" as some stated really does prevent him from becomming elite. On defense, skills play a smaller factor to determination and effort, and we've all watched Stoudemire grab rebounds or box out or even play defense with a half heart approach.


The suns with;

C: O'Neal
PF: Nowitski
SF: Barnes
SG: Richardson
PG: Nash

is incredible, because you basically have O'Neal playing 1 on 1 with the other team's center with little to no help defense. O'Neal can find any of those 4 and its either a 3 point shot or a mid range 2.

Sure Suns lose Stoudemire's inside scoring, but with that much space and lack of double teaming.... O'Neal will get his way... at the very least he'll get 15 possessions within 5 feet and 1 defender on him.....

Rebounding wise, Dirk is better than Stoudemire, unfortunately... beause Dirk puts more effort. The ability to put down the ball and shoot the 3 just fits the bill better.

I'd do that trade...

 

[cly2tw]

Amare for Dirk? Where do I sign up?

Some people here seem to think Dirk is soft, overrated, or washed up. But he's averaging 26/9 this year. Nash and Dirk back together would be awesome. He would fit perfectly. Shaq clogging the lane wouldn't be a problem with Dirks outside game.

Nash
Richardson
Barnes
Nowitzki
Shaq

Barbosa
Hill
Dudley
Amundson
Lopez

That is a ridiculous starting lineup, and a serviceable bench.

2 rounds and out. no more than that with this line. not interested.

 

[cly2tw]

Mavs need a shake up I thought, thats why I proposed the trade.

Stoudemire, offensive wise, we all know is unstoppable, but the lack of "heart" as some stated really does prevent him from becomming elite. On defense, skills play a smaller factor to determination and effort, and we've all watched Stoudemire grab rebounds or box out or even play defense with a half heart approach.


The suns with;

C: O'Neal
PF: Nowitski
SF: Barnes
SG: Richardson
PG: Nash

is incredible, because you basically have O'Neal playing 1 on 1 with the other team's center with little to no help defense. O'Neal can find any of those 4 and its either a 3 point shot or a mid range 2.

Sure Suns lose Stoudemire's inside scoring, but with that much space and lack of double teaming.... O'Neal will get his way... at the very least he'll get 15 possessions within 5 feet and 1 defender on him.....

Rebounding wise, Dirk is better than Stoudemire, unfortunately... beause Dirk puts more effort. The ability to put down the ball and shoot the 3 just fits the bill better.

I'd do that trade...

Shaq and Nash 3 years younger, that'd be a contender but now, it's just no defense and no way the team can stay healthy for the playoffs.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Oddly enough I am very interested in Amare for Dirk. The spacing would be insane.

JRich, Barnes and Dirk all hanging on the 3 line while Nash runs circles in the paint until Shaq gets into position.

Then shaq would really be in "the land of shooters"

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Shaq and Nash 3 years younger, that'd be a contender but now, it's just no defense and no way the team can stay healthy for the playoffs.

Contender? If shaq and Nash were 3 years younger with nowitzki, barnes and JRich it would be a lock for the 'chip.

 

[nowagimp]

Amare for Dirk? Where do I sign up?

Some people here seem to think Dirk is soft, overrated, or washed up. But he's averaging 26/9 this year. Nash and Dirk back together would be awesome. He would fit perfectly. Shaq clogging the lane wouldn't be a problem with Dirks outside game.

Nash
Richardson
Barnes
Nowitzki
Shaq

Barbosa
Hill
Dudley
Amundson
Lopez

That is a ridiculous starting lineup, and a serviceable bench.

I would do amare for Dirk as Dirk complements shaq better. I actually like Dirk until mavs trolls happen by. Dirk has improved alot in rebounding and defense, and is a more reliable offensive player/defensive rebounder and a better passer than stat. If stat had a passion for defense, he'd be a better defender than Dirk, but I dont see the passion, effort there on a consistent basis.

I also like okafor, the dude is a stud PF, but he is not likely to mesh with shaq, their games are too similar(rangewise). Besides, LB would not want stat, not enough D to interest LB.

I would never trade stat, a top PF, for deng, hinrich, Gooden ughhh! Deng just doesnt look the same since the knee surgery. I watched Boris Diaw outplay Gooden the other night in the Bulls Bobcats game, dont want Gooden. Gooden couldnt score on Boris on the low block with the game on the line.

 

[PhxGametime]

What about??

Nets:
Amare Stoudemire F/C
Louis Amundson PF


Suns:
Yi Jianlian PF
Brook Lopez F/C
1st Rounder
Bobby Simmons


Nets would have a strong ********* with Stoudemire, Harris, and Carter... Suns would reload and as bad as Simmons contract is, it expires in 2010 and I'd feel better with Yi and Brook around for at least 4-5+ years and obviously a 1st Rounder.


Just not sure how well the two big man are playing other than stats (I only watch Suns games) but Yi would stretch the court like Dirk; Brook and Robin would be a nice combo to reload with after Shaq leaves... just would've liked a PG out of deal.

 

[carey]

Nets would have a strong ********* with Stoudemire, Harris, and Carter... Suns would reload and as bad as Simmons contract is, it expires in 2010 and I'd feel better with Yi and Brook around for at least 4-5+ years and obviously a 1st Rounder.

Idk about Brook but Yi is awful.

 

[jandaman]

I'd do Brook Lopez for Amare Stoudemire straight swap right about now.

Brook Lopez looks like Brad Daugherty redux. Or an "inferior" Tim Duncan.
The kid is scoring 20 with good percentages when the team goes to him, pulls down 10 rebounds or close to a night in 30~32 minutes. Blocks 2.5 shots a game.

Amare Stoudemire as a scorer and as for entertainment is better, but Brook Lopez looks the goods and looks to surpass Amare Stoudemire if you project him in about 2-3 seasons time.



So the Carter + Lopez trade is lob sided at the moment... unless Stoudemire comes with Barbosa.

But I'd do Lopez + 2nd round pick for Stoudemire + Tucker...


But it wont happen..

and oh yeah.. BUMP... I think most people have changed their minds with Stoudemire.

 

[elindholm]

But I'd do Lopez + 2nd round pick for Stoudemire + Tucker...

Rule #1 for trade proposals: Make it work under CBA rules.

 

[carey]

I don't usually do trade proposals (as you could probably tell), but here's my attempt at an Amare trade.


Joel Przybilla
Salary: $6,310,150 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 5.4 REB: 7.8 AST: 0.4 PER: 16.62

Rudy Fernandez
Salary: $1,084,080 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 11.0 REB: 3.1 AST: 2.1 PER: 16.25

LaMarcus Aldridge
Salary: $4,631,400 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 17.5 REB: 6.9 AST: 1.9 PER: 18.90

for

Amare Stoudemire
Salary: $15,070,550 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 21.3 REB: 8.1 AST: 2.2 PER: 21.53