i hate ginoseli (ginoboli)

[Lorenzo]

I understand why suns fans hate ginobli. He is a great player and he has torched the suns in the past. I dislike the spurs with a passion.....but ginobli is a great player. He is one of few players in the league that plays with that type of passion. He is a very physical player. Raja bell is one that does simular things for the suns.

 

[tobiazz]

I understand why suns fans hate ginobli. He is a great player and he has torched the suns in the past. I dislike the spurs with a passion.....but ginobli is a great player. He is one of few players in the league that plays with that type of passion. He is a very physical player. Raja bell is one that does simular things for the suns.

That is not the reason we hate Ginobili. There are obviously plenty of players who have torched the Suns worse than Ginobili that we don't hate. We hate him (as all humans should) because he flails around to draw foul calls without regard for the well-being of other players. It's only a matter of time until he hurts someone--again.

 

[Lorenzo]

That is not the reason we hate Ginobili. There are obviously plenty of players who have torched the Suns worse than Ginobili that we don't hate. We hate him (as all humans should) because he flails around to draw foul calls without regard for the well-being of other players. It's only a matter of time until he hurts someone--again.

and amare going tough to the cup can hurt someone.... or jumping up in the air to meet ginobli as well. That's life in the nba. Ginobli is a great player.

 

[Espo]

and amare going tough to the cup can hurt someone.... or jumping up in the air to meet ginobli as well. That's life in the nba. Ginobli is a great player.

If by great you mean con artist then yes. He should be a man and take a real charge and a real foul and then maybe suns fans would respect him.

 

[Lorenzo]

If by great you mean con artist then yes. He should be a man and take a real charge and a real foul and then maybe suns fans would respect him.

come on.....every nba team has players that do that. I'm a mavs fan and if you don't already know let me 4warn you. Dev Harris will do the same thing 10 out of 10 times to draw a charge. Raja Bell does it all the time as well. Let's not get too hypocritical.

 

[Espo]

come on.....every nba team has players that do that. I'm a mavs fan and if you don't already know let me 4warn you. Dev Harris will do the same thing 10 out of 10 times to draw a charge. Raja Bell does it all the time as well. Let's not get too hypocritical.

Neither of those guys flop as bad as Manu. I respect both of them a hell of a lot more then Manu

 

[Lorenzo]

Neither of those guys flop as bad as Manu. I respect both of them a hell of a lot more then Manu

okay i guess i can't tell you who to respect. I hate the spurs....but i have tremendous respect for a player who plays with the fearless effort that manu does. I wonder what charles would say?

 

[Gaddabout]

okay i guess i can't tell you who to respect. I hate the spurs....but i have tremendous respect for a player who plays with the fearless effort that manu does. I wonder what charles would say?

If by Charles you mean Charles Barkley, we stopped listening to him a long time ago. He bags on the Suns defense while never mentioning the fact he took entire MONTHS off on defense when he wore the purple and orange. He wasn't as blatent as Tom "Cherry Picker" Chambers, but he often resorted to cheap tricks rather than buckling down on defense.

 

[elindholm]

come on.....every nba team has players that do that. I'm a mavs fan and if you don't already know let me 4warn you. Dev Harris will do the same thing 10 out of 10 times to draw a charge. Raja Bell does it all the time as well. Let's not get too hypocritical.

Every Ginobili apologist makes this argument. Yes, there are other floppers in the league, and Bell is high on the list. But Ginobili is the most despised player in the NBA, and any poll of serious fans (or, most likely, of players and coaches) will tell you that. So the defense that "so-and-so is just as bad" just doesn't cut it.

 

[Louis]

it isnt natural, his leg was almost straight out

Go to youtube.com and search for Ginobli. Watch a highlight reel of him.

His knee almost always leads his body in every layup they show.

It wasn't dirty. Amare said as much after the game when he had a chance to cool down from the play.

 

[jbeecham]

Go to youtube.com and search for Ginobli. Watch a highlight reel of him.

His knee almost always leads his body in every layup they show.

It wasn't dirty. Amare said as much after the game when he had a chance to cool down from the play.

I watched a Ginobili highlight clip on Youtube and he usually does lift his knees a little, but never as high and outward as he did when he hit Amare in the nuts.

 

[msdundee]

Go to youtube.com and search for Ginobli. Watch a highlight reel of him.

His knee almost always leads his body in every layup they show.

It wasn't dirty. Amare said as much after the game when he had a chance to cool down from the play.

Ginobili does lead with the knee, more obviously than most. As posted on another thread, Amare's comment a little later was probably the best assessment of the move:

"I think they're on purpose," Stoudemire said of Ginobili's leading knees. "He's a flopper and likes to cause contact."

 

[msdundee]

Also as posted on another thread, he did the same thing again just a few minutes later in the game but with less contact -- both in the fourth quarter when the Spurs were starting to fold. Probably just coincidence.

 

[msdundee]

Yes, that was sarcasm.

 

[Lorenzo]

Every Ginobili apologist makes this argument. Yes, there are other floppers in the league, and Bell is high on the list. But Ginobili is the most despised player in the NBA, and any poll of serious fans (or, most likely, of players and coaches) will tell you that. So the defense that "so-and-so is just as bad" just doesn't cut it.

I'm not a ginobli apologist. I hate the spurs.....and I hated watching his antics in the mavs/spurs series as well. He is a physical player. There are many players in the league that don't even try to go at amare like that. Ginobli will go at anyone to try to get to the cup. and for that i admire him. What's the difference between a dramatic flopp and a good flopp. They are all the same, and every team has a player that masters the flopp and gets rewarded. I've seen bell fall in anticipation more than once.

 

[elindholm]

Okay, let's try this again:

Ginobili's flopping puts other players at risk in a way that other players' flopping does not. That is the problem and that is why he is despised. You can dance around that point all you want, but it won't go away.

 

[Lorenzo]

Okay, let's try this again:

Ginobili's flopping puts other players at risk in a way that other players' flopping does not. That is the problem and that is why he is despised. You can dance around that point all you want, but it won't go away.

it won't go away is key. ginobli is a physical player and is going to get rewarded because of it. He does flopp at both ends which does make him worse than raja and others in some people's minds. A flopp is still a flopp. Ginobli often gets himself hurt because of his style. this is my opinion and it obviously isn't popular with many of you, but ginobli is a physical player that does things that many other nba players won't do. because of that he has my respect. It's also a big reason why the spurs have a couple of rings. D-Wade is simular with his fearless physical play. and he gets rewarded all of the time as well.

 

[cly2tw]

it won't go away is key. ginobli is a physical player and is going to get rewarded because of it. He does flopp at both ends which does make him worse than raja and others in some people's minds. A flopp is still a flopp. Ginobli often gets himself hurt because of his style. this is my opinion and it obviously isn't popular with many of you, but ginobli is a physical player that does things that many other nba players won't do. because of that he has my respect. It's also a big reason why the spurs have a couple of rings. D-Wade is simular with his fearless physical play. and he gets rewarded all of the time as well.

I think you would defend Malone for the same reason about his elbowing that sent David Robinson miss a season and others miss long stretches of games. He was merely physical and got rewarded throughout his career by the league.

 

[Gaddabout]

it won't go away is key. ginobli is a physical player and is going to get rewarded because of it. He does flopp at both ends which does make him worse than raja and others in some people's minds. A flopp is still a flopp. Ginobli often gets himself hurt because of his style. this is my opinion and it obviously isn't popular with many of you, but ginobli is a physical player that does things that many other nba players won't do. because of that he has my respect. It's also a big reason why the spurs have a couple of rings. D-Wade is simular with his fearless physical play. and he gets rewarded all of the time as well.

When Ginobli flops 10 feet into the shins of Dirk or JET -- completely out of the play -- and they're out for two months with a fractured ankle, that's when I think your opinion changes.

 

[Lorenzo]

I think you would defend Malone for the same reason about his elbowing that sent David Robinson miss a season and others miss long stretches of games. He was merely physical and got rewarded throughout his career by the league.

I've seen malone purposely elbow a few players. Like i said....i didn't see the play were ginobli hurt a guy. I've seen a few where he has hurt himself.

 

[Lorenzo]

When Ginobli flops 10 feet into the shins of Dirk or JET -- completely out of the play -- and they're out for two months with a fractured ankle, that's when I think your opinion changes.

okay you got me. maybe a homer mentality will set in then.

 

[cly2tw]

I've seen malone purposely elbow a few players. Like i said....i didn't see the play were ginobli hurt a guy. I've seen a few where he has hurt himself.

First, Malone never intentionally hit anyone with his elbow. That famous play to DRob? He didn't even see where David was!

Second, Ginobili got Barbosa sidelined for several months with unnec. flopping act as posters here have been trying to put to your attention. There are other incidences, too. So, the kick to Amare's groin fits a pattern.

 

[jbeecham]

okay you got me. maybe a homer mentality will set in then.

Ginobili injured Barbosa while playing defense and diving 10 feet backwards on minimal contact last season and his head went into Barbosa's knee. Barbosa missed about 21 games and Ginobili got a charged called for him. In the same game, he flopped again and fell into Nash, giving him a hip pointer that he struggled with for about 5 games.

It's one thing to accentuate real contact to get a call and just fall backwards, but Ginobili flies like he's shot out of a cannon when there's little or no contact without regard for anyone else around him. He flops and whips his hair around if his shot is blocked or if the ball is cleanly stripped from him. He flops on layup attempts when there's no contact at all to try to fool the refs into giving him an and-1. You can call it smart basketball if you want to, but in my opinion it ruins the game.

 

[elindholm]

Okay, let's try this again:

Ginobili's flopping puts other players at risk in a way that other players' flopping does not. That is the problem and that is why he is despised. You can dance around that point all you want, but it won't go away.

it won't go away is key. ginobli is a physical player and is going to get rewarded because of it. He does flopp at both ends which does make him worse than raja and others in some people's minds... (more irrelevant drivel deleted)

You refuse to respond to my point, you can't read, and you can barely write. Welcome to my Ignore list.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Okay, let's try this again:

Ginobili's flopping puts other players at risk in a way that other players' flopping does not. That is the problem and that is why he is despised. You can dance around that point all you want, but it won't go away.

Thank you for this post... these words will now be found in my signature. They should be repeated morning and night until the entire Basketball world gets it... then maybe, just maybe he will change his ways.