I Hate Our Ol

[JC_AZ]

Really?

By the way, I HATE OUR OL

Did we even have one yesterday? It seemed that the Seattle D was running free all day yesterday with no OBSTRUCTIONS...IT WAS DISGUSTING!

 

[john h]

I Hate, HATE that O-line, what a bunch of losers, L Davis being number one!!

I still think Davis is playing in the wrong position.

 

[john h]

Our "DAMM" OL, couldn't block the Sisters Of The Holy Cross flag football team. Matt, better get ready, Kurt is not going to last much longer.

Anone that thinks Kurt Warner is not tough should watch this game. Muhammed Ally could not have kicked his butt any harder and he continue to get up. I think he ended up with around 290 yds did he not? A number could have been interecepted but with all those hits I am surprised he was still standing at the end.

 

[conraddobler]

Gibbs wanted a big salary and part time job but since he lives in Arizona we're the one team that could have made it work easiest.

I agree about the rubik's cube. You can shuffle a 4 man relay any order you want but if 2 of your runners are slow, you're going to lose. Right now we have too many OL's that are not getting it done, Wells, Step, Liewienski. That said I continue to believe our best chance at C is moving Wells during the bye week, it's obvious someone, Green or Loney, does not believe Leckey can play or he'd be starting.

Wells at center to me is perfect, he's well suited for that spot, your center just needs to get on a man and isn't asked to do much run blocking except hike the ball which he does better than Step, heck I do that better than Step.

I liked his play there when he filled in last year, he really wasn't ever a problem there.

I think Deuce plays better than he practices, just insert him and go, we can't fix the LT spot this year, we can't move Big we have no real LT to replace him with.

Should be Big Deuce Wells Brown Ross and be done with the juggling.

It should have been that since camp with someone substituted for Ross til he came back.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Right now we have too many OL's that are not getting it done, Wells, Step, Liewienski. .

Whenever I see this I wont let it slid. Davis is our worst olineman. Watchthe game again and just watch him. He had a man line up over him twice and actually left that guy to help the guard double team a DT.

Both times it got Warner killed.

 

[Shane]

First, Wells can't play guard. Then, he struggles at RT.Now, you want to play him at the toughest postion on the OL. I don't see that logic. LD is the best LT on the team and one of the better one's in the league. People who say otherwise don't know what they are talking about. He gets some false starts but,if you put someone else out there,they'll get false starts and also get Warner broke in half by a blind side sack. Is Davis an elite LT? No, but he's in the next level.

Oh yea we forgot you know what your talking about. You and BigDavis75 are all knowing experts when it comes to OL play.

On that not anyway you slice it LD is extremely overrated. To many penalties and to many mental errors. Saying he is our best OL isnt saying much. Saying hes one of the better LT in the league is comical.

 

[Russ Smith]

Whenever I see this I wont let it slid. Davis is our worst olineman. Watchthe game again and just watch him. He had a man line up over him twice and actually left that guy to help the guard double team a DT.

Both times it got Warner killed.

I don't think Big is great but realistically he's our best OL and the one we can least afford to lose this year. We can't find a RT does anybody really think we have another LT? Thats' the reason I don't call out Big he really is our best OL, by far.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Oh yea we forgot you know what your talking about. You and BigDavis75 are all knowing experts when it comes to OL play.

On that not anyway you slice it LD is extremely overrated. To many penalties and to many mental errors. Saying he is our best OL isnt saying much. Saying hes one of the better LT in the league is comical.

Pro bowl alternate last year. Yeah, i guess he stinks. That would put in the next level below the elite status, just like i said.

 

[Shane]

Pro bowl alternate last year. Yeah, i guess he stinks. That would put in the next level below the elite status, just like i said.

3rd alternate right? Many players have been in the pro bowl that are not deserving. Oh wait he wasnt even in the pro bowl. So if thats your only argument OK.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

3rd alternate right? Many players have been in the pro bowl that are not deserving. Oh wait he wasnt even in the pro bowl. So if thats your only argument OK.

So, now you determine who is deserving and not deserving of pro bowl status. Jeez, i thought the guys who actually play the game decided on it. Who's going to be this years pro bowl rosters.Let me know so i can make an early bet out in Vegas.

 

[Shane]

So, now you determine who is deserving and not deserving of pro bowl status. Jeez, i thought the guys who actually play the game decided on it. Who's going to be this years pro bowl rosters.Let me know so i can make an early bet out in Vegas.

Are you literally believeing what you spew? As a prime example do you feel Roy Williams(cowboys) is a PB caliber Safety? There are many many experts who feel he makes on reputation not level of play.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Are you literally believeing what you spew? As a prime example do you feel Roy Williams(cowboys) is a PB caliber Safety? There are many many experts who feel he makes on reputation not level of play.

That kind of more makes my point. What rep does Davis have? He made it on level of play. I know you're going to say he was an alternate but that means there were alot of players who voted for him. And when you have Pace and Walter Jones in front of you that's not too shabby.

 

[Shane]

That kind of more makes my point. What rep does Davis have? He made it on level of play. I know you're going to say he was an alternate but that means there were alot of players who voted for him. And when you have Pace and Walter Jones in front of you that's not too shabby.

But he had a lot more than that in front of him. He was the 3rd alternate not first. Not to mention ever since LD came out of college has had a rep of being some huge dominating force. He perpetuated that his first year at G where he was actually almost at a PB level IMO and should still be. Hes definitely got a rep.

 

[Duckjake]

But he had a lot more than that in front of him. He was the 3rd alternate not first. Not to mention ever since LD came out of college has had a rep of being some huge dominating force. He perpetuated that his first year at G where he was actually almost at a PB level IMO and should still be. Hes definitely got a rep.

That Davis is still making the same mistakes 3 years into the Green regime says something. Either he's getting some really poor coaching or he's just not very focused.

The team has 35 false start penalties in their last 18 games. This points to coaching.

Davis has 14 of them this points to lack of focus.

 

[Russ Smith]

That Davis is still making the same mistakes 3 years into the Green regime says something. Either he's getting some really poor coaching or he's just not very focused.

The team has 35 false start penalties in their last 18 games. This points to coaching.

Davis has 14 of them this points to lack of focus.

Would love to see a breakdown on how many of his false starts are with Warner at QB. Just wondering if Big has some problem with Kurt's cadence or if he's just as likely to jump when Josh was there?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

But he had a lot more than that in front of him. He was the 3rd alternate not first. Not to mention ever since LD came out of college has had a rep of being some huge dominating force. He perpetuated that his first year at G where he was actually almost at a PB level IMO and should still be. Hes definitely got a rep.

College reps mean absolutely nothing to the pros playing. You have to earn your rep from them. Now,once you earn it it tends to stay with you longer than it should,like with Williams, but the point is that it was earned. And , if you want to say 3rd alternate, that means he was at worst the 5th best LT according to the players. That's a top 10 LT.

 

[JeffGollin]

Wells isnt great but he isnt that bad...

I hate that comment almost as much as I hate our OL. Wells was flagged twice for false starts, whiffed on Warner's final sack and blew several other blocking assignments. If he plays that way in each of our remaining 14 games, we're doomed. (Liwienski and Leonard weren't all that much better either).

Sometimes incremental changes in a group aren't enough to get things completely turned around. When things are going as bad as this, wholesale changes may be in order. (They should have been made in the offseason. Now we're stuck until next January).

You sometimes have to avoid the temptation at looking at each of the 10 individuals not getting the job done and saying: "Well he's really not that bad."

Because, in the end, you'll end up with 9 or 10 guys who "aren't really that bad" but not very good either, with the result that the unit as a whole "really is that bad."

 

[ajcardfan]

Whenever I see this I wont let it slid. Davis is our worst olineman. Watchthe game again and just watch him. He had a man line up over him twice and actually left that guy to help the guard double team a DT.

Both times it got Warner killed.

Yeah, but we don't know what the line call was for the protection. It is possible that they were to block down and the back was supposed to be responsible for the outside guy. Davis very well could've blown it, but we don't know what the protection was.

From what I saw, this often seemed to be the case on Seattle exploited it. They overloaded a side, and the G would block down and then the T either picked up the outside guy and let someone shoot through the G-T gap or blocked down and the outside guy came free and Kurt either missed the hot read (which you have to throw if the guy is not picked up) or the back or TE missed the block.

 

[conraddobler]

I hate that comment almost as much as I hate our OL. Wells was flagged twice for false starts, whiffed on Warner's final sacked and blew several other assignments. If he plays that way in each of our remaining 14 games, we're doomed.

Sometimes incremental changes in a group aren't enough to get things completely turned around. When things are going as bad as this, wholesale changes may be in order. (They should have been made in the offseason. Now we're stuck until next January).

You sometimes have to avoid the temptation at looking at each of the 10 individuals not getting the job done and saying: "Well he's really not that bad."

Because, in the end, you'll end up with 9 or 10 guys who "aren't really that bad" but not very good either, with the result that the unit as a whole "really is that bad."

Bingo!

I'm all for trying to fix this mess but the time to do that was the offseason, the part that disturbs me is this new coach Loney comes in and I figure his input would help fix this mess.

What better opportunity than having a new guy fresh to the situation review the game film then say punt these guys and these are keepers here is what we need how much of that can we afford or realistically expect to get?"

We got Milford Brown, to me that seems weak and not really addressing the problem, what about Center? did he think Step woudl be alright or what?

These kind of things don't inspire confidence in this staff to diagnose and fix the problem, maybe he's a good coach and not so good an evaluator, who knows but so far I'm less than impressed.

Green as a leader should have said to him, I need a report on who to keep and who you wouldn't keep, just be brutally honest, fire everyone at least on the report if you think that's the right thing to do, let me and Rod deal with how possible that might be to accomplish.

I've got this feeling though that DG dosen't operate like that, more likely it was obvious he liked certain guys and expected Loney to coach them up, well that's one example of DG's management style being less than optimal IMO.

 

[ajcardfan]

I hate that comment almost as much as I hate our OL. Wells was flagged twice for false starts, whiffed on Warner's final sack and blew several other blocking assignments. If he plays that way in each of our remaining 14 games, we're doomed. (Liwienski and Leonard weren't all that much better either).

Sometimes incremental changes in a group aren't enough to get things completely turned around. When things are going as bad as this, wholesale changes may be in order. (They should have been made in the offseason. Now we're stuck until next January).

You sometimes have to avoid the temptation at looking at each of the 10 individuals not getting the job done and saying: "Well he's really not that bad."

Because, in the end, you'll end up with 9 or 10 guys who "aren't really that bad" but not very good either, with the result that the unit as a whole "really is that bad."

See, I never did get why people said Wells is a T not a G. He has not performed well at that spot in the opportunities he has gotten. IMO, he has been the worst player on the line so far. Yes, he's missed more blocks and made more mistakes than Stepanovich!

 

[CaptTurbo]

Yeah, but we don't know what the line call was for the protection. It is possible that they were to block down and the back was supposed to be responsible for the outside guy. Davis very well could've blown it, but we don't know what the protection was.

From what I saw, this often seemed to be the case on Seattle exploited it. They overloaded a side, and the G would block down and then the T either picked up the outside guy and let someone shoot through the G-T gap or blocked down and the outside guy came free and Kurt either missed the hot read (which you have to throw if the guy is not picked up) or the back or TE missed the block.

Both times he realised he messed up and tried to move back left but of course by then the DE was long gone up Warners butt.

 

[red desert]

I hate saying this and we've talked about it adnaseum, but...

we were much better off with Shelton, Kendall, and the other dude...

Absolutely correct. If DG would ever fix the problem with the OL we would all quit bringing up that fiasco. And that is what DG created.

 

[red desert]

Wells isnt great but he isnt that bad. Now he is in his correct position IMO he will improve with another week to get used to the switch.

The problem is they should of been moved first thing in training camp. Not now.

I like how Green drafts for the most part. But I am starting to think he is a bad HC. Never see adjustments. Never see anything smarter than ther other team(Running the ball with 430 left needing 2 scores? Punting with 230 left needing 2 scores?) What a joke.

I agree.

 

[red desert]

Hmmm Step or Kendall, Oliver Ross or Shelton...

I seem to remember old man Emmitt Smith almost hitting 1000 yards... The talent surronding the line is much better than those teams, but the fact isk the guys Green went out and got are WORSE than they were... At least the other guys would have a number of years playing together.

Nobody here thinks those were "magical years", just that after all the talk from Green, he has not produced a better line than the one he inherited. and that is truly pathetic.

Well said.

 

[Duckjake]

Would love to see a breakdown on how many of his false starts are with Warner at QB. Just wondering if Big has some problem with Kurt's cadence or if he's just as likely to jump when Josh was there?

I just checked quickly through the NFL.com play by play for 2004.

As far as I could tell BIGG had 5 False Start penalties.

Another thing about his False Starts is that the majority of them come on 2nd or 3rd and long situations.