I just want to get a feel for the Board. McCown or King

[Evil Ash]

Gee - slight difference is that Vick lead his team to 23 points in week one and 34 points in Week two and has his team at 3-0 instead of being one of the main reason his team has scored a measely 25 points in three games. That comparison is just stupid.

True but the Falcons are also more talented.

Josh McCown isn't the only reason we've scored so few points (although some people really think that way).

Other reasons include the right side of our OLine being abysmal (especially Spikes, who needs to be cut NOW), we haven't had a consistent running game, our WRs have had trouble getting seperation, Freddie Jones is MIA, the blocking schemes have been horrible, and the playcalling has been questionable at best.

I'm always amazed how people always seem to give the praise/blame to one guy, the QB, based on how the offense does.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Gee - slight difference is that Vick lead his team to 23 points in week one and 34 points in Week two and has his team at 3-0 instead of being one of the main reason his team has scored a measely 25 points in three games. That comparison is just stupid.

100 Yards passing, 1 Int, and 2 Fumbles.

Real Impressive outing against the lowly Cardinals

 

[Evil Ash]

Emmitt has 2 rushing TDs.

Forgot about the one in the NE game.

Thanks for the correction

 

[Cheesebeef]

100 Yards passing, 1 Int, and 2 Fumbles.

Real Impressive outing against the lowly Cardinals

the lowly Cardinal D that has only given up three touchdowns all season - or has forced the most turnovers in the league this year? Give me a break MadCard - maybe if McCown took a team to the playoffs, won a game in Lambeau and basically had the best winning percentage of all active QBs, or hell - EVEN THRE ONE FREAKING TD PASS THIS SEASON SO FAR - maybe your analogy would have a little weight - but considering he doesn't - maybe THAT is the reason some of us want to see someone else.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Aside from the fumbles I thought McCown looked pretty sharp today. He made some very nice throws. Atlanta has a solid defensive line and they put good pressure on McCown. I just hope that McCown works on protecting the ball more when he starts to scramble. Plus he needs to get rid of the ball quicker and not hang on to it so long.

How many of you think that Vick should be benched? He had a much worse game than McCown???

The difference is that Vick has an off game...McCown has yet to have a good game.

Want to know a scary stat?

McCown has started 6 games. In 6 games McCown has been sacked 34 times and has fumbled 10 times.

That is unreal.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The difference is that Vick has an off game...McCown has yet to have a good game.

Want to know a scary stat?

McCown has started 6 games. In 6 games McCown has been sacked 34 times and has fumbled 10 times.

That is unreal.

and how many picks and tds? The above puts my argument into much better perspective - the comparison between Vick and McCown is looney tunes.

 

[MadCardDisease]

the lowly Cardinal D that has only given up three touchdowns all season - or has forced the most turnovers in the league this year? Give me a break MadCard - maybe if McCown took a team to the playoffs, won a game in Lambeau and basically had the best winning percentage of all active QBs, or hell - EVEN THRE ONE FREAKING TD PASS THIS SEASON SO FAR - maybe your analogy would have a little weight - but considering he doesn't - maybe THAT is the reason some of us want to see someone else.

All I'm saying is give the kid a chance. He has faced two of the top defenses in the league. I think it is a little short sighted to place all of the blame on McCown.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

LOL,

I had to check that stat again and it is correct.

34 sacks and 10 fumbles in six games.

Sheesh he could give Dave Kreig a run at the record for fumbles.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

and how many picks and tds? The above puts my argument into much better perspective - the comparison between Vick and McCown is looney tunes.

Starts only he has 3 TDs passing to 5 Ints.

 

[Russ Smith]

The difference is that Vick has an off game...McCown has yet to have a good game.

Want to know a scary stat?

McCown has started 6 games. In 6 games McCown has been sacked 34 times and has fumbled 10 times.

That is unreal.

That's the thing that scared me when DG made the choice, he got sacked SO much last year I was really concerned. He hasn't gotten hurt yet, but the fumbles are a bit concerning.

He has the physical tools, but he doesn't yet grasp the bigger part of the game.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

All I'm saying is give the kid a chance. He has faced two of the top defenses in the league. I think it is a little short sighted to place all of the blame on McCown.

I don't think anyone is solely putting the blame on McCown. Any objective fan can see that there are huge problems with the line and with the RB situation that's helping McCown to his poor performances. But McCown has been dreadful all year, there's no sugarcoating this.

 

[Cheesebeef]

All I'm saying is give the kid a chance. He has faced two of the top defenses in the league. I think it is a little short sighted to place all of the blame on McCown.

I'm not laying all the blame at Josh's feet - there is no doubt that the right side of the O-line sucks about as bad as any porn star's ever sucked before - not doubt . . . I also believe that Emmitt - regardless of his warrior heart - just ain't got it - but McClown is just as much to blame as those other two factors. Even when he has his opportunities to make plays with his legs, he cowers back - like on that 3rd and two near mid field when he *****-footed his way towards the first down marker and got nailed - sure they gave us a great spot, only to be overturned by a proper review of the call - but I have yet to see this kid make ONE BIG PLAY ALL YEAR - that is a problem. Maybe, just maybe, there was a reason he couldn't hack in the big leagues in college football and maybe, just maybe a kid with all his natural talent is a third round PROJECT taken by one of the most god awful scouting and coahcing departments in the league . . . everyone sucks on offense right now - and to think Josh isn't part of the problem is just foolishness.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

And remember one of those TDs came on a "Miracle Play".

Here is more....

Our "Scrambling QB" has a total of 147 yards rushing in 6 games starting or 24.5 yards a game. Most of that came last year though.

He really has just happy feat.

 

[Redsz]

This is crazy. Lets get a bit of perspective here:

1) This is Josh's 6th start. He is inexperinced and anyone expecting him to show the intangible skills of more experinced QB's are not being realistic. Learning to get rid of the ball and 'feeling' the rush come with time. 6th start people. Give him time to develop.

2) He has no running game to take pressure off of him. So he is under alot of pressure to make plays by himself. Which is a VERY bad situation for a young QB. A situation in which a QB at this point in his development should not be put in.

3) The O-line still hasn't come together yet. This is beating a dead horse here... But how can you expect ANY QB to perform behind this line at the moment (particulary the right side)? If Josh wasn't so mobile he would of been sacked many more times.

4) Our best RB and WR are out. Plus both of our best remaining recievers are coming off foot/leg injurys and missed large portions of camp. Again another reason for our passing game spluttering.

Now, given this situation the offence is in. Do you really expect Josh to perform? The fact that he went 20 of 24 is beyond crazy if not a miracle.

If you bench McCown you will destroy his confidence. You will be sending him the message that he is somehow responsible for the problems on the offence side of the ball. Which isn't the case.

If Green starts King then that is his call. But I wouldn't be surprised to see the same problems and all these people calling for Kings head by the end of the game.

 

[Russ Smith]

All I'm saying is give the kid a chance. He has faced two of the top defenses in the league. I think it is a little short sighted to place all of the blame on McCown.

NE and who else? Bulger LIT UP Atlanta last week, their run defense was great, but their pass defense is not.

It's the NFL, you get paid to win games and you have to score to do that, Green has to play the guy who gives us the best chance to do that, right now that's not Josh.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is crazy. Lets get a bit of perspective here:

1) This is Josh's 6th start. He is inexperinced and anyone expecting him to show the intangible skills of more experinced QB's are not being realistic. Learning to get rid of the ball and 'feeling' the rush come with time. 6th start people. Give him time to develop.

2) He has no running game to take pressure off of him. So he is under alot of pressure to make plays by himself. Which is a VERY bad situation for a young QB. A situation in which a QB at this point in his development should not be put in.

3) The O-line still hasn't come together yet. This is beating a dead horse here... But how can you expect ANY QB to perform behind this line at the moment (particulary the right side)? If Josh wasn't so mobile he would of been sacked many more times.

4) Our best RB and WR are out. Plus both of our best remaining recievers are coming off foot/leg injurys and missed large portions of camp. Again another reason for our passing game spluttering.

Now, given this situation the offence is in. Do you really expect Josh to perform? The fact that he went 20 of 24 is beyond crazy if not a miracle.

If you bench McCown you will destroy his confidence. You will be sending him the message that he is somehow responsible for the problems on the offence side of the ball. Which isn't the case.

If Green starts King then that is his call. But I wouldn't be surprised to see the same problems and all these people calling for Kings head by the end of the game.

the whole this is Josh's 6th start is an excuse plain and simple. He's been in the league for THREE years now - watching and learning - had on the job training last year and then was the full blown starter all off-season - under the tutelage of one the best offensive minds in football - he shouldn't look like a rookie - because, well , to put it blubtly - HE ISN'T ONE. And to me - it looks like his confidence was shot anyway - this team needs a win in the worst way - I'd play King next week and see if it's the O-line or Josh . . .it can't hurt.

 

[AZCB34]

McClown

Cmon dude, you are above this.

Being one of the top pro McCown guys, I don't know what to say. I voted McCown, not because I was pimping him but because the way I see this season it is a time to flush the system. Time to find out exactly where this team sits. If Green truly believes in McCown (didn't he say McCown reminds him of Favre?) then he has to start him this coming week to see if McCown picks himself off the ground and plays like a pro, to see if he has learned anything from his experiences and if he can get off the schnide so to speak.

The problem is, and K9 pointed this out, is that I am not so sure the team believes in him anymore and he can come out and learn all the lessons and pick himself off the mat yet if the team doesn;t believe than he is doomed. Still, he gets one more week and if the wheels fall off again, then it is (gasp) King time.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Redz,

You keep pointing at his completion percentage.

You want to know what it is for the season? With this "incredible play"? 53%

Josh's six career starts...he is a third year player. Want to know what say Chad Pennington's first six starts were after sitting two years JUST LIKE McCown?

How about 1400 yards and 9 TDs to 3 Ints. He also rang in at around a 70% completion ratio.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

LOL I started that McClown thing 2 years ago when I watched him in the preseason run around like a circus clown.

2 years later he is still the EXACT same player.

His arm strength is directly opposite of his ability to read a defense.

 

[AZCB34]

LOL I started that McClown thing 2 years ago when I watched him in the preseason run around like a circus clown.

2 years later he is still the EXACT same player.

His arm strength is directly opposite of his ability to read a defense.

Take offense or don't but I find it bush to call players out like that by making fun of their name. Say they suck, criticize their play but I personally believe some respect is due them. If it was so easy out there, we would all be playing.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Take offense or don't but I find it bush to call players out like that by making fun of their name. Say they suck, criticize their play but I personally believe some respect is due them. If it was so easy out there, we would all be playing.

I hardly believe we need to worry about McCown's feelings about his name. He does get paid a lot of money to get this sort of scrutinity.

The best way to get rid of a "mean nickname" is to not live up to it. When I don't hear circus music in my head everytime we get in the red zone then it won't be an issue.

 

[Scott MS]

I hardly believe we need to worry about McCown's feelings about his name. He does get paid a lot of money to get this sort of scrutinity.

Not really. In NFL standards, he doesn't get paid much at all for the amount of pressure on him, and the fans who are now jumping all over his back after a bad outing.

I'm not sure McCown is the future, but many of you are convinced that Shaun King is all that. I'm not sure. He looked good against second strings in pre-season and he was a former starting QB for many years.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

No let me stress that I don't think that Shaun King is any sort of long term answer. I also don't believe McCown is either.

King will most likely do what King does, not hurt a team and let his defense do it's job.

 

[AZCB34]

I hardly believe we need to worry about McCown's feelings about his name. He does get paid a lot of money to get this sort of scrutinity.

The best way to get rid of a "mean nickname" is to not live up to it. When I don't hear circus music in my head everytime we get in the red zone then it won't be an issue.

He gets paid alot of money to be called names by the very fans of the team he is on? Like I said, criticize his play even say he sucks but I just think it is completely classless...but to each his own.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

He gets paid alot of money to be called names by the very fans of the team he is on? Like I said, criticize his play even say he sucks but I just think it is completely classless...but to each his own.

Well I wouldn't want to upset the purveyor of good taste.

LOL.