Black Jesus
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This team should definitely be run through Amare and Nash, while Shaq should be supporting them. Running the team through Shaq is not what is best for this suns team.
I like what Barkley said....
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az1965
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I hardly see Nash to Amare pick and roll that used to be so deadly and almost impossible to stop. Now Amare stands there and watch Shaq throw baby hooks with back to the basket.
Black Jesus
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not saying it is any news, but good to see the talking heads pointing out the obvious that our GM and coach can't seem to figure out. The best part of having Shaq is that we will have 20 million to spend during that offseason to pair with Amare.
BTW, he just said another funny but true thing/ "Amare had a good night tonight... on paper."
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what 20 million dollar superstar is going to want to come to a team who's ownership is frugal, management is a joke and can get the same contract to go play with guys like Wade or Bron? The 2010 plan assumes the big big ticket FA is going to come here? I ask why? It seems like every team is gearing up for that summer, most of the team's with bigger attractions/better management teams.
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Nash is too old now and a turnover machine. Next strategy please!
Nash is too old now and a turnover machine. Next strategy please!
WTF is up with Nash? He was invisible tonight...got assists, but that's not what made the Suns dangerous. It was his assists and scoring. I haven't seen the Suns other than tonight, but is he playing like this in most of the games?
No way he could drop off that much. Is it the career wall or is it the new system, or a combo of both?
I have a lot of respect for Nash as a player...he was great.
TJ
Frank Kaminsky is my Hero.
Honestly, I think the changing of the guard is having a bigger impact on Nash than anyone else on the team. His assists are down to single digits and he is not finding his main target in Amare as much as years past.
Night and day from last year.
cobbler
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I too was shocked at Nash not taking his open shots. I always felt a huge part of his game was that you had to respect his shot. He wasn't taking it so the Lakers could pack it in and eliminate the Nash/Amare pick and roll. Turnovers hurt you bad this game. But you do have to give some of the credit to the Lakers, they are leading the leage in that catagory.
dodie53
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maybe nash is just letting his game look bad so the FO will decide to trade him?
nash is unhappy with the coaching right?
nash is unhappy with the coaching right?
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Unfortunately, yes. He's been playing like that the whole season. I think he still could be Stockton-like if he conceded to the fact that he were best effective that way. Yet, he still is trying to show everyone that he could get the Suns to run and get easy baskets for everybody. You just witnessed a typical result of that in this game.
I am going to be the minority here. I think going through Shaq is the right strategy. Where I think the Suns mess up is when Shaq goes to the bench. They forget Amare is still out there sometimes.
Also, I think what is hurting this team more then anything is they go through huge dry spells from the outside. How do you play in inside out game with crappy outside shooting?
I would like to see more of a mix between Shaq and Amare but I don't think going down through Shaq is a mistake.
Also, I think what is hurting this team more then anything is they go through huge dry spells from the outside. How do you play in inside out game with crappy outside shooting?
I would like to see more of a mix between Shaq and Amare but I don't think going down through Shaq is a mistake.
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I'm with you. Shaq however is tired sometimes, so we need to go to Amare. In this game, Amare had bad luck/hands on several close-up shots, but still he had more success with the ball than others outside Shaq. And he can only learn from failure. One reason we lost was we couldn't defend their perimeter plays.
SirStefan32
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I agree with SteelDog and cly2tw. Shaq is not the problem. Going to Shaq is one of very few things that work for this team. I think it's just a matter of finding a balance. Instead of bitching to the media about wanting to run, Nash and Co. should just RUN. Nobody is stopping them from running. If there is an opportunity to run- just run.
One thing I noticed last night was that Diaw, Amare and especially Barnes are figuring out that if they move without the ball when Shaq has the basketball in the low post- they can get easy baskets. Diaw fumbled the ball once and Amare missed an easy shot or two, but they finally cut to the basket and Shaq found them.
Going to Shaq is the right strategy, but Suns really need to come up with something besides that. I think Shaq is having a great year and is playing really well, but he is just not dominant enough at this stage in his career to single-handedly carry the team to victory. It's time for other guys to step up- Diaw, Barnes, Barbosa, and it's time for Amare and Steve to start playing like all-stars should play.
One thing I noticed last night was that Diaw, Amare and especially Barnes are figuring out that if they move without the ball when Shaq has the basketball in the low post- they can get easy baskets. Diaw fumbled the ball once and Amare missed an easy shot or two, but they finally cut to the basket and Shaq found them.
Going to Shaq is the right strategy, but Suns really need to come up with something besides that. I think Shaq is having a great year and is playing really well, but he is just not dominant enough at this stage in his career to single-handedly carry the team to victory. It's time for other guys to step up- Diaw, Barnes, Barbosa, and it's time for Amare and Steve to start playing like all-stars should play.
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Shaq is what is happening to Nash. I have no doubt that he can be the playmaker that he used to be. With Shaq in there, not only do they run our offense through him, but our spacing is TERRIBLE.
Bring Shaq off of the bench and let him get all the touches he wants in the second unit.
I also strongly believe that they need to change their rotation strategy. Nash leaving at the end of the 1st quarter is horrible. I know they are trying to maximize the total time he is allowed to rest but the team falls apart when he goes to the bench. Rest Nash from the 6 minute mark to the 3 minute mark in the 1st quarter and let him still start the 2nd quarter off of the bench.
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That's the problem with Shaq. You can't. The spacing is horrible, nobody moves off of the ball. If going to Shaq doesn't work, this team is in trouble. There is no plan B. You can't run the 1/4 P&R because Shaq is in the lane, not giving the proper spacing needed to allow it to work. Nobody should be asking Shaq to lead this team. We have a 2 time MVP and a future MVP to do that. Shaq should be the 3rd option on offense, not the 1st.
DeAnna
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Yeah, I agree. Nash is so lost right now; I don't think Shaq is the answer to the offense. More often than not, he misses those simple baskets or throws a bad pass (not to mention only makes half his free throws).
Most of the resistance to the new system is coming from Bell/Nash. Even Amare misses D'Antoni a bit now:
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/39667
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DeAnna
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Originally, the plan was to incorporate Shaq into an already winning team not have the whole team molded around Shaq. There were times when he barely lifted 5 inches off the floor! Very disappointing night for him.
Right now, they are going away from their strengths: Amare/Nash.
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future MVP? MVPs play defense, excel at they're position in every category like rebounding and know how to pass. Our future MVP fails at all of these things.
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You mean like Steve Nash? He rebounds and plays defense like crazy.....
Barring injury, I say he gets MVP. I'll just respectfully disagree.
SirStefan32
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Thank you! I am sick of this "Amare MVP" talk. He has no ability to pass out of double teams, he has no concept of blocking out, no basketball IQ whatsoever, and no mental toughness. If things don't go his way in the first few minutes, he starts forcing things on offense and disappears on the defensive end.
He certainly has the talent necessary to be an MVP, but he is far far away from being an MVP.
SirStefan32
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You mean like Steve Nash? He rebounds and plays defense like crazy.....
Barring injury, I say he gets MVP. I'll just respectfully disagree.
Point guard doesn't need to rebound. MVPs need to be excellent when it comes to things their position requires. Nash is not a good defender, but he is (or was, at least) not only the best shooting point guard in the league, but aside from Stojakovic, perhaps the best shooter on any position. He is (was) the best play maker in the league. One hole in his game was defense. Amare has more holes in his game than a slice of swiss cheese.
MaoTosiFanClub
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Amare is simply not a very polished basketball player. On the offensive end he's either catching and shooting or taking it straight to the front of the rim and defensively it's not even worth discussing. Perhaps one summer instead of perfecting his 3 point shot (11-68 in his career!) he should watch film of every game Tim Duncan has ever played. Watch how Duncan frees up his teammates for wide open jumpers with his spacing and passing, watch how he anticipates doubles and attacks away from them or passes out so he can either re-position or get a teammate an easy shot, watch how he blocks shots in bounds to trigger a fast break, etc.
MVP? That's a joke. Once Amare loses his freakish athleticism in 3-4 years he's going to be Kenyon Martin.
MVP? That's a joke. Once Amare loses his freakish athleticism in 3-4 years he's going to be Kenyon Martin.
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