I like what I hear from Whiz in Urban's blog.

[Zeno]

This is getting tiresome... but, looking at this way... There are 12 teams that have 160 or more 3rd down attempts against them. Of those 12 teams, only 4 have 3rd down conversion %'s worse than the Cards, and only two have given up more actual 3rd downs.

It's all bad... I get it! I know you can now toss out some equally bad, if not worse stats on our offense! I get it!! I just refuse to have a conversation that starts with the premise that our defense is this bad because of our offense.

And I NEVER said that...go back and look, I just think it is ignorant to believe our record wouldn't be better with a better QB. If the offense is on the field more the opponent has less opportunity to chew up our bad defense which would lead to more wins...that is my whole point. You were the one who said that if we converted a higher % of third downs we wouldn't win more which can't be further from the truth.

 

[Duckjake]

Here's some interesting numbers from nfl.com:

13 for 28 173 yards 1TD 2INT 48.7 Rating

Brian St.Pierre in his first ever start in the NFL Nov. 21st.

I don't think I'd want him back we already have two of him now.

 

[Zeno]

Here's some interesting numbers from nfl.com:

13 for 28 173 yards 1TD 2INT 48.7 Rating

Brian St.Pierre in his first ever start in the NFL Nov. 21st.

I don't think I'd want him back we already have two of him now.

Both INTs were pick 6's too.

 

[earthsci]

Both INTs were pick 6's too.

Damn, can you imagine how much it would suck if one of our QBs did that in a game.


Wait...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah. Pretty much. But I don't consider Matt to be total stinky garbage. He's more like the stuff you keep in the garage that still kinda works but you hope you don't have to bring in the house for very long.

lol. okay, can't argue there.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

John Navarre and BSP would have been better. Seriously.

where's TONY SACCA?!?

 

[82CardsGrad]

And I NEVER said that...go back and look, I just think it is ignorant to believe our record wouldn't be better with a better QB. If the offense is on the field more the opponent has less opportunity to chew up our bad defense which would lead to more wins...that is my whole point. You were the one who said that if we converted a higher % of third downs we wouldn't win more which can't be further from the truth.

Look, who exactly are you referring to when you say "better QB"? I'm personally not sold on Matty. So yea, is he better than DA - or, would he have produced better offensive #'s than DA? Maybe. I won't commit anymore than that, just, maybe. And so, would that have produced more W's? Maybe 1. But that's all I'm willing to commit to... Just 1. So aside from Matty, who else?

I honestly believe it would take a QB who is significantly better than DA, or Matty, or any of the other scrubs that were available in FA in order to produce more W's. Our o-line is league worst. Our running game is not even a running game. It's a non-running game. And our defense is totally hideous, coached by a guy who should not be stepping onto a NFL field.
So again, unless Kurt Warner were still here, I just don't see any other QB's that would've converted enough additional 3rd downs, that would've translated into more W's.
This year, the defense needed to step up, instead, they stepped down. Way down. And yes, the offense not only stepped way down, they fell off the planet....

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

With Leinart we would be complaining about a different kind of bad Qb play--

we would be complaining about 4 yard dump offs on 3rd and 8 -- we would be complaining that there are no big plays and how Leinart wilts under any blitz. The team would be on its way to a 6-10 season instead of 3-13. We would also be debating if the team should pay Leinart his ginormous salary in 2011 to keep him.

Yes -- 6 wins is 100% better than 3 wins, but you still reside in suck-ville.

i think this describes the situation precisely. though i'd be inclined to go with 5 wins.

 

[Shane]

With Leinart we would be complaining about a different kind of bad Qb play--

we would be complaining about 4 yard dump offs on 3rd and 8 -- we would be complaining that there are no big plays and how Leinart wilts under any blitz. The team would be on its way to a 6-10 season instead of 3-13. We would also be debating if the team should pay Leinart his ginormous salary in 2011 to keep him.

Yes -- 6 wins is 100% better than 3 wins, but you still reside in suck-ville.

Nice!

But at least poster around here would take solace that we wouldn't be mathematically eliminated for 2 more weeks.

 

[Zeno]

Look, who exactly are you referring to when you say "better QB"? I'm personally not sold on Matty. So yea, is he better than DA - or, would he have produced better offensive #'s than DA? Maybe. I won't commit anymore than that, just, maybe. And so, would that have produced more W's? Maybe 1. But that's all I'm willing to commit to... Just 1. So aside from Matty, who else?

I already said in an earlier post put Fitzpatrick and his 84 QB rating on this team and we lead the division--you could put just about any average starting caliber NFL QB(or even a GOOD NFL back up) and they would convert more third downs thus sustaining drives which leads to more scoring opportunities and less chances for our defense to get the snot pounded out of them. Merely average QB play would translate to more wins especially in our division against a weak schedule. We aren't getting anywhere close to average play from that position, we are getting league worst play (aside from Clausen).

I never mentioned Leinart, not once...although I have a hard time believing he would be anywhere close to this bad (and that can't be proven either way), but that is as much as I will mention on him.

 

[Duckjake]

we would be complaining about 4 yard dump offs on 3rd and 8 -- we would be complaining that there are no big plays and how Leinart wilts under any blitz. The team would be on its way to a 6-10 season instead of 3-13. We would also be debating if the team should pay Leinart his ginormous salary in 2011 to keep him.

Hard to believe the Cards longest pass play this season is 43 yards.

2009-2101, 28 games, the Cards have had only 4 pass plays that gained more than 40 yards. 2008 they had 13 passing. Fitz longest reception the last two seasons is 35 yards.

So I'm complaining now that there are no big plays.

 

[football karma]

Hard to believe the Cards longest pass play this season is 43 yards.

2009-2101, 28 games, the Cards have had only 4 pass plays that gained more than 40 yards. 2008 they had 13 passing. Fitz longest reception the last two seasons is 35 yards.

So I'm complaining now that there are no big plays.

and wasn't that to Beanie?

as an aside: that 2008 season -- anything near Fitz, I just assumed he would come down with it. Most amazing catches. Since then? Pretty ordinary and I cant remember the last time I saw him come down with a tough one. That almost-TD throw against SF was the kind of catch in 2008 that was money in the bank. No so much lately.

 

[Bobcat]

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/12/06/whiz-re-visits-handling-of-qb-position/

It's kind of telling. Obviously the team didn't like Leinart anddon't think he earned anything, especially their respect and, if Whiz knew things would be this bad, he would have kept ML. But DA and Hall have played so bad that they didn't see that happening. We all kind of thought DA could be bad but I doubt any of us thought he could be a bad as he has played. He's easliy been the worst QB in the league.

NO...!!! Not the team let us get this straight it was Friar Whisenstupid Matt wasn't Religious enough. I dislike Egotists, and liars like Whiz. What a waste in effort form all of us Cardinal Fan's believing in this Guy.

BOBCAT

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wiz made a HORRIBLE decision, but you know what, at the end of the day, give me 3-13 over 6-10 any day of the week. At least that way we get someone who might impact this mess of mediocrity (mediocrity assuming there's a warm body at QB).

 

[nashman]

Right cheese but only if whiz and the FO make the right decision and that's questionable at best.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Right cheese but only if whiz and the FO make the right decision and that's questionable at best.

oh, it's not questionable at best... I think if Graves is here, it's a foregone conclusion we blow that pick.

I think given the talent, Wiz can be a good coach... he just can't pick the talent. And sadly, neither can our GM. We're screwed until Graves gets his fat ass blown out of town.

 

[john h]

Please tell me your not attempting to describe Matt Leinart with this analogy?

I wish we would just let Matt Leinart go away once and for all. He started no game in the NFL this year and I am not sure he even threw a pass after he left the Cards. Matt is no longer a Card. Let him rest in peace.

 

[D-Dogg]

Look, who exactly are you referring to when you say "better QB"? I'm personally not sold on Matty. So yea, is he better than DA - or, would he have produced better offensive #'s than DA? Maybe. I won't commit anymore than that, just, maybe. And so, would that have produced more W's? Maybe 1. But that's all I'm willing to commit to... Just 1. So aside from Matty, who else?

Dude, you lost all credibility to correlate wins and QBs when you revised your win total UP to 10 freaking wins because of DA being at the helm.

Your 10 win juggernaut has notched just 2 wins on the season.

 

[cardpa]

Whether Whiz made the right decision or not to dump Leinart can be debated until the cows come home.

I personally did not like how it was handled. I felt right from the start that the timing of the decision was horrid. Whiz was looking through rose colored glasses. What I never have understood is how a QB can go from being your number one at the start of camp to be cut 6 weeks later. How does one fall that far that fast?

Regardless what concerns me most is Whiz's refusal to look at each game as the season progressed and make the necessary adjustments to compensate for Scud's inability to perform especially third down.

Why he still calls so many pass plays when he knows the odds are against them being successful mystifies me. Third and short and he puts the ball in the hands of the one guy you really don't want to have it because he will fail more times than not. Why else would you repeatedly call a pass play on third and one or third and two knowing that this is Scuds weakest point, completing a short pass that needs touch and placement to be successful?

I firmly believe this is Whiz's way of being extremely stubborn and saying damn it this is going to work if I have to do this 1000 times over. I will prove all the naysayers wrong by proving it can work even if its only once.

This is what worries me with Whiz. He will go to extreme lengths to prove himself right even at the expense of the team.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Wiz made a HORRIBLE decision, but you know what, at the end of the day, give me 3-13 over 6-10 any day of the week. At least that way we get someone who might impact this mess of mediocrity (mediocrity assuming there's a warm body at QB).

Agreed.

 

[Mulli]

NO...!!! Not the team let us get this straight it was Friar Whisenstupid Matt wasn't Religious enough. I dislike Egotists, and liars like Whiz. What a waste in effort form all of us Cardinal Fan's believing in this Guy.

BOBCAT

 

[82CardsGrad]

Dude, you lost all credibility to correlate wins and QBs when you revised your win total UP to 10 freaking wins because of DA being at the helm.

Your 10 win juggernaut has notched just 2 wins on the season.

True... but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so...

 

[john h]

I think he would have done better, but I don't think he was "QBOF" which essentially is what we are looking for at this point.

So I think The Leen-eart would have won us a couple more games. I also think we would have still lost the division title, missed the play-offs, and got a crappier draft pick this year.


So in my world, some times things happens for a reason.
The day we get a QB good enough for all of us to remove DA, Hall, and The Leen-eart from our memory is the day I long for. Go draft! oops I meant Cardinals.

Good post desertdawg. Bring in the trash truck and hall away all of our QBs except Skelton. We do not know just what we have in him. If we do not have a legit QBOTF on the team then stop fooling yourself into thinking one will just materialize out of thin air or that one of your QBs will suddenly become a great QB. Your thought about Matt id dead on. He might have won a couple of more games which would get us out of the QB race on draft day. If Matt were any good his team would have given him a few plays by now. He is still a 3rd stringer and will be out of football soon enough. The sooner we forget Matt the better. Day after day his name pops up. We must have some man-love going on here.