82CardsGrad
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Why is it that the more someone hates Whiz, the less they break up paragraphs?
You're killing me!!
I like what I hear from Whiz in Urban's blog.
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You're killing me!!
Taught me to always go with my first impression from preseason...that impression was that I thought he was crap.
Good job.
82CardsGrad
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Yep!
What so many here continue to do is to look away from the trainwreck that is our defense. If Matty, Josh, Bulger, Whitehurst ior any other scrub FA was brought in, we'd still royally suck and would still be at 3 wins at best... Our defense is that bad. And combined with a totally useless rushing offense (take your pick, lay that on the o-line, Beanie, Timmy, play-calling, or all of the above), we were destined to be exactly where we are. ONLY Kurt was magical enough to lead this team above it's stank.
Totally and completely endorse this statement!!!
Yep!
What so many here continue to do is to look away from the trainwreck that is our defense. If Matty, Josh, Bulger, Whitehurst ior any other scrub FA was brought in, we'd still royally suck and would still be at 3 wins at best... Our defense is that bad. And combined with a totally useless rushing offense (take your pick, lay that on the o-line, Beanie, Timmy, play-calling, or all of the above), we were destined to be exactly where we are. ONLY Kurt was magical enough to lead this team above it's stank.
Totally and completely endorse this statement!!!
IMO, if the offense holds the ball just a little longer each drive, then the D is not as gassed,....if the offense keeps us competitive, then the D does not quit......................because that is what we are seeing, our defense just does not come to play.......of course,...the poor schemes really does not help anything either.
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Our defense is bad but don't you think if we were better than dead last in the league in 3rd down conversions, completion %, 30th in yards per attempt, 31st in Time of possesion and 5th worst in INTs thrown we'd win just a few of those games we blew? I say if we were ranked in the middle of the league(teens - 20) in those categories we'd be a 6 win team right now. This isn't all on the defense--as bad as the defense has been this is statistically the WORST offense in the NFL (or second worst to Carolina).
I am no way excusing the defense but the offense deserves a greater share of the blame IMO.
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So the players performance has nothing to do with it ,right? Then I suppose their performance had nothing to do with them getting to the SB either. It's all on the leader. You can't have it both ways. Or does Whiz just get the blame for the stuff that goes wrong.
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I think the defense has been horrible and the offense has been worse. However, prior to the preseason games, I expected the offense to be bad and the defense to be the best it's been in a long time. You can look at this O Line and our QB and expect poor results but it's hard to tolerate the D's performance when you look at the overall talent there.
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82CardsGrad
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Sorry Chuck, but after watching our guys get rolled time and again on opening drives to start games and to start the 2nd half, I really don't place much credence on the excuse that our offense is the problem behind our defense's putridness. I also heard someone say (I have no idea where to find this stat), that ToP differential in the first half for the Cards is negligible - that there is not a bigtime difference in ToP in the first half of games. Yet, we are being outscored in the first half 200 to 104!!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting our offense isn't a problem... it is! But, it's not why our defense sucks. It's not why we can't pressure the QB, why Campbell has disappeared this year. Why Porter and Haggans blow. Why Hayes is invisible. Why DRC refuses to get his punk little finger nails dirty. And why teams are putting up gigantic rushing years against us...
Our defense is simply stinky. Our offense is too.. but their stink is a totally separate stink from the defense. The two are not nearly as related as so many here try to make it...
82CardsGrad
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Oh, if we converted a few more 3rd downs, the offense might be a bit more entertaining. Fitz might not be so pissed off... But no - I don't think we'd have anymore W's than what we have right now.
I am not going to try to decipher who is more to blame for this disaster, the offense or the defense... Football is the ultimate team sport. It takes the entire team, every player on every unit, to step up and make plays in order to produce W's.
With the one exception being LSH, we don't have any players on either side of the ball that are making plays. Our entire offensive and defensive units suck.
Sure, if we were middle of the pack on offense, we would have a better chance for more W's. But, we're also dead last for defensive PPG, 27th in YPG and 31st in defensive ToP. If we were middle of the pack in those areas on defense, wouldn't our chances for more W's increase too??
Zeno
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That is ridiculous. I can point to 3 games where we win if we had a competent QB-in Seattle(held seattle to FGs and 1 2 yd TD drive), St Louis (0-7 on third down nothing in the redzone) & Tampa (2 pick sixes and a drive killing INT while in the redzone)--you could throw Minnesota in there too....that is just assuming the defense being on the field a little less doesn't play even a little bit better. QB is one position that cost us a MINIMUM of 3 games this year.
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That is DIRECTLY tied in to the offense not converting 3rd downs.
82CardsGrad
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Sure... and if Oakland and the Rams (1st game) weren't so charitable, we should've lost those games... it's always fun to play the what-if game...
Bottom line, our team sucks. Our offense is league worst, and our defense is as well. Our coaching is horrible. Our talent is lacking. Our players lack desire.
But if it helps to dull the pain by attempting to lay more blame on the offense vs the defense, have at it man...
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Yea... I know... somebody on the offense could most certainly jump off the bench and stop the opposing team from converting on their 3rd downs. Dang, maybe that's how we should be using DA?
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Sure... and if Oakland and the Rams (1st game) weren't so charitable, we should've lost those games... it's always fun to play the what-if game...
Bottom line, our team sucks. Our offense is league worst, and our defense is as well. Our coaching is horrible. Our talent is lacking. Our players lack desire.
But if it helps to dull the pain by attempting to lay more blame on the offense vs the defense, have at it man...
Whatever, to say the team would not win more games with a higher completion %, higher 3rd down %, more yards per pass play and less INTs is ignorant.
With average QB play we wouldn't be Super Bowl champs but we'd be leading our division...even with a crap defense. You dislike the defense, I get it, but to say improved QB play doesn't improve our record is crazy at best. You put a guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick on this current team and his 84 QB rating we are leading the division easily...EVEN with a crap defense. The QB makes a HUGE difference...sustaining drives keeps the opposing offense off the field and less of a chance for our defense to give up points--is that tough to follow?
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Yea... I know... somebody on the offense could most certainly jump off the bench and stop the opposing team from converting on their 3rd downs. Dang, maybe that's how we should be using DA?
Are you intentionally trying to be ignorant? What part of our offense is the worst in the NFL in 3rd down conversion don't you get?
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Yea... I know... somebody on the offense could most certainly jump off the bench and stop the opposing team from converting on their 3rd downs. Dang, maybe that's how we should be using DA?
Also our defense is 14th in the NFL in stopping opposing offense on third down(better than New England, Tampa & Atlanta) but they are third in the NFL in 3rd downs attempted against them..you think the offense not sustaining drives has anything to do with that?
82CardsGrad
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You keep linking our offensive issues to our defensive issues... Yea, we're terrible on offense and on 3rd down conversions, which puts our defense back on the field. But last I checked, our defense is also putrid on 3rd down conversions. So again I ask, should we perhaps consider using DA on defense? His height might come in handy and maybe he can bat down a few 3rd down pass attempts?? I'm game...
82CardsGrad
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According to NFL.com, the Cards are tied for 6th worst on defensive 3rd down conversion %. Not sure where you got 14th from??
But yes, in terms of 3rd down attempts, that number is absolutely tied to the amount of time the defense stays on the field. In part, impacted by a sucky offense, and to a larger extent, impacted by their very own brand of suckyness!
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Check again....right in the middle of the NFL, a little better actually.
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NFL.com I should say 14th worst...which is better than "putrid" not great but not unacceptable.
NE is the worst in the league but since their opponents aren't on the field as much it isn't as big a deal.
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With Leinart we would be complaining about a different kind of bad Qb play--
we would be complaining about 4 yard dump offs on 3rd and 8 -- we would be complaining that there are no big plays and how Leinart wilts under any blitz. The team would be on its way to a 6-10 season instead of 3-13. We would also be debating if the team should pay Leinart his ginormous salary in 2011 to keep him.
Yes -- 6 wins is 100% better than 3 wins, but you still reside in suck-ville.
we would be complaining about 4 yard dump offs on 3rd and 8 -- we would be complaining that there are no big plays and how Leinart wilts under any blitz. The team would be on its way to a 6-10 season instead of 3-13. We would also be debating if the team should pay Leinart his ginormous salary in 2011 to keep him.
Yes -- 6 wins is 100% better than 3 wins, but you still reside in suck-ville.
82CardsGrad
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From what I see, the Cards are better than 10 other teams in terms of 3rd % on defense. And there are 20 teams better than the Cards. I guess that's something to celebrate this year...
82CardsGrad
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This is getting tiresome... but, looking at this way... There are 12 teams that have 160 or more 3rd down attempts against them. Of those 12 teams, only 4 have 3rd down conversion %'s worse than the Cards, and only two have given up more actual 3rd downs.
It's all bad... I get it! I know you can now toss out some equally bad, if not worse stats on our offense! I get it!! I just refuse to have a conversation that starts with the premise that our defense is this bad because of our offense.
Zeno
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Well if you look at attempts only 2 teams have had more 3rd down attempts against them.
There are 4 potential playoff teams with worse 3rd down pct rates...NE, Tampa, Atlanta & Jacksonville...nobody talks about their defense because their offenses are competent and they all have better TOP. Atl, NE & Jax all give up more yards per play too but all have a winning record because they have a competent offense in spite of the defense not making 3rd down stops and giving up larger chunks of yards per play...when an offense sustains drives and doesn't turn the ball over the opposing offense is off the field and has less chances to attempt 3rd downs and that equals more wins.
