I think the OL will be OK

[Shane]

That's not fading away in NFL oblivion. What if the Cards end up in a year or 2 with a shot at Adrian Peterson or Marshawn Lynch or DeAngelo Williams, they'd be crazy to pass on them, would that make JJ a bust, to you yes, to whatever NFL team he'd wind up on no.

Wouldnt that depend upon performance once there?

 

[Russ Smith]

Already did. Jones was a bust. Team spent a lot of cash on him and had to let him go. If you get let go by the team that drafted you, you are a bust for that team. Im saying JJ will bust for the cards. You obviously do not think that.

So Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James are busts? Both teams spent a lot of money on them and both teams wanted to trade them (we traded Jones) this year but couldn't. If they'd been able to get rid of them you would call them busts?

Jones was drafted too high, for us he failed, overall as an NFL player he's now pretty good. McElroy was a bust, out of the league quickly, Jones is not a bust he's simply a guy that we took too high because someone preferred him to Alexander.

Arrington was the 44th pick, he isn't making megabucks and we don't know yet how good he is you can't learn that in 8 carries.

All stuff aside, what are you actually suggesting, cut Arrington(we can't trade him), bench him for Shipp the rest of the year, put him on special teams?

 

[CaptTurbo]

That's not fading away in NFL oblivion. What if the Cards end up in a year or 2 with a shot at Adrian Peterson or Marshawn Lynch or DeAngelo Williams, they'd be crazy to pass on them, would that make JJ a bust, to you yes, to whatever NFL team he'd wind up on no.

LOL your not getting this concept I see.

Do you see a difference between the way a team got rid of say a ThomasJones (please leave) or the way a team lost someone like Simeon Rice (man your good but we dont like the attitude or want to pay you so much)

You do see the difference right?


You seem to pine for the Darwin Walker case, which not only extremely rare Walker was a bust for the cardinals. Get it?

 

[CaptTurbo]

So Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James are busts? Both teams spent a lot of money on them and both teams wanted to trade them (we traded Jones) this year but couldn't. If they'd been able to get rid of them you would call them busts?

nevermind your uable to get this concept.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

So Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James are busts? Both teams spent a lot of money on them and both teams wanted to trade them (we traded Jones) this year but couldn't. If they'd been able to get rid of them you would call them busts?

Jones was drafted too high, for us he failed, overall as an NFL player he's now pretty good. McElroy was a bust, out of the league quickly, Jones is not a bust he's simply a guy that we took too high because someone preferred him to Alexander.

Arrington was the 44th pick, he isn't making megabucks and we don't know yet how good he is you can't learn that in 8 carries.

All stuff aside, what are you actually suggesting, cut Arrington(we can't trade him), bench him for Shipp the rest of the year, put him on special teams?

Like I said in an eralier post, it isnt that I dont think Arrington can learn to be a decisive runner or learn to hit the holes harder, but what is so bothering to me is that I just havent seen the "so-called" speed he is supposed to have. To get caught from behind by a 300+ lb lineman? His screen passes seem to go nowhere coz he just doesnt have the accelartion to get past that initial group of defenders.

As far as I am concerned, we dont really have a legitimate starting RB on this team right now. And that is very worrisome

 

[CaptTurbo]

All stuff aside, what are you actually suggesting, cut Arrington(we can't trade him), bench him for Shipp the rest of the year, put him on special teams?

What can you do? Same we did with Jones, run him until we get an oppurtunity to "try" to get a franchise back.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Like I said in an eralier post, it isnt that I dont think Arrington can learn to be a decisive runner or learn to hit the holes harder, but what is so bothering to me is that I just havent seen the "so-called" speed he is supposed to have. To get caught from behind by a 300+ lb lineman? His screen passes seem to go nowhere coz he just doesnt have the accelartion to get past that initial group of defenders.

As far as I am concerned, we dont really have a legitimate starting RB on this team right now. And that is very worrisome

Not hard to see is it lv?

 

[clif]

I think this should he labeled the official overreaction thread

 

[Russ Smith]

Wouldnt that depend upon performance once there?

Apparently not since SWD is contending that Jones is a bust because the Cards got rid of him. I don't think Jones is a superstar but his numbers weren't all that different from his brother Julius who apparently SWD thinks is a great player(I think when he said Jones guys he means Julius and Kevin).

 

[MadCardDisease]

As far as I am concerned, we dont really have a legitimate starting RB on this team right now. And that is very worrisome

I'm more concerned about having a legitimate Center. When Arrington or Shipp are tackled when they are getting the ball from the QB it's not a good thing.

Until our O-Line starts opening holes consistantly I don't think we can fairly judge our RBs.

 

[clif]

I'm more concerned about having a legitimate Center. When Arrington or Shipp are tackled when they are getting the ball from the QB it's not a good thing.

Until our O-Line starts opening holes consistantly I don't think we can fairly judge our RBs.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Apparently not since SWD is contending that Jones is a bust because the Cards got rid of him. I don't think Jones is a superstar but his numbers weren't all that different from his brother Julius who apparently SWD thinks is a great player(I think when he said Jones guys he means Julius and Kevin).

First off, I know you dont get what Im saying at all which is pondorous. But Jones IS A FREAKING BUST TO THE CARDINALS ORGANIZATION!

Thats the point. So was Walker (he is a prop bowler now)

And thats setting aside my personal feeling that Jones is an overall bust.

But your disputing that he weas a bust to the cardinals. Which is just plain wrong.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I'm more concerned about having a legitimate Center. When Arrington or Shipp are tackled when they are getting the ball from the QB it's not a good thing.

Until our O-Line starts opening holes consistantly I don't think we can fairly judge our RBs.

I am not judging their ability to run, what I am judging is Arringtons speed. I dont see it. He may have straight line 40 speed but during the game he looks timid, and I see no burst at all. This has nothing to do with the line, and everything to do with his runnig style.

Shipp is no better. at least he hits the hole -or lack of one- but he is a tweener. Not big enough to be a power back and not fats enough to be a speed back.

I just dont see this team competing with two running backs like this and I am sorely disappointed in this "so-called" speed Arrington is supposed to have....

 

[CaptTurbo]

can't learn that in 8 carries.

Got this wrong as well.

LV i agree with what you say on speed. It just isnt there and certainly isnt learned.

Like I said before. Any decent athlete looks good running against guys that are now working the cash register at 7-11. JJ is a great athlete. Very few people are very good in the NFL.

 

[AZCB34]

As far as I am concerned, we dont really have a legitimate starting RB on this team right now. And that is very worrisome

I don't think there are many legitimate starting OL either. But the Cards have one heckuva WR corps.

 

[ajcardfan]

I don't think there are many legitimate starting OL either. But the Cards have one heckuva WR corps.

I wish we could play the Bears instead of the Lions this year. That would be a dogfight of a game. A 6-3 classic, I don't know who would win.

 

[Russ Smith]

First off, I know you dont get what Im saying at all which is pondorous. But Jones IS A FREAKING BUST TO THE CARDINALS ORGANIZATION!

Thats the point. So was Walker (he is a prop bowler now)

And thats setting aside my personal feeling that Jones is an overall bust.

But your disputing that he weas a bust to the cardinals. Which is just plain wrong.

They're entirely different. Jones was here 3 years and each year his yards, ypc, both went up. He was improving. We didn't draft him that high to get better slowly though. Then he had the off field problems, we didn't pay him after the hand injury, hanging out with Boston etc. We didn't trade Jones to Tampa because he had no talent we traded him because we were fed up with his "other issues" and he simply wasn't good enough to overlook those issues.


Back to JJ, near as I know we're not going to have the problems with JJ we had with Jones, we don't have Boston, Arrington is not an immature guy, he's not a guy that figured to be a headcase. he wasn't the 7th pick in the draft so there's no panic that we're paying this guy too much to let him come along slowly.

The natural thing to do is keep playing him and figure if the OL gets better and he gets more experience, he'll probably gain more than 5 yards. It's pretty clear we're going to play Shipp too, he's not keeping Bo Jackson on the bench to play Arrington so I'm not sure what the problem is.

 

[MadCardDisease]

They're entirely different. Jones was here 3 years and each year his yards, ypc, both went up. He was improving. We didn't draft him that high to get better slowly though. Then he had the off field problems, we didn't pay him after the hand injury, hanging out with Boston etc. We didn't trade Jones to Tampa because he had no talent we traded him because we were fed up with his "other issues" and he simply wasn't good enough to overlook those issues.


Back to JJ, near as I know we're not going to have the problems with JJ we had with Jones, we don't have Boston, Arrington is not an immature guy, he's not a guy that figured to be a headcase. he wasn't the 7th pick in the draft so there's no panic that we're paying this guy too much to let him come along slowly.

The natural thing to do is keep playing him and figure if the OL gets better and he gets more experience, he'll probably gain more than 5 yards. It's pretty clear we're going to play Shipp too, he's not keeping Bo Jackson on the bench to play Arrington so I'm not sure what the problem is.

Russ,

Will you stop making sense! It's not fair to swd.

 

[ajcardfan]

Russ,

Will you stop making sense! It's not fair to swd.

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[clif]

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I tell ya.. after a day like yesterday I sure have been laughing alot

 

[joeshmo]

Oh man I love that picture. Makes me laugh everytime I see it.

 

[Russ Smith]

I tell ya.. after a day like yesterday I sure have been laughing alot

Me too, if my girlfriend's laptop hadn't died yesterday I'd have probably got myself banned last night I was so ticked after the game.

Who knew a hard disk crash could be a good thing.

 

[kerouac9]

The natural thing to do is keep playing him and figure if the OL gets better and he gets more experience, he'll probably gain more than 5 yards. It's pretty clear we're going to play Shipp too, he's not keeping Bo Jackson on the bench to play Arrington so I'm not sure what the problem is.

Oh, snap!