I would have to be ignorant to take the NFL seriously anymore...

[Jetstream Green]

There where a myriad of calls today and calls that where not called for me take the rest of the NFL season with any importance if I choose to keep rooting for a team as I have done for since 1975 which is a small market team. Floyd having his jersey dragged and no call. Floyd being held and grabbing the hands off him to get out and then being called for PI when he scores. Golden with not much of a violent hit in the shoulder pads of Vick and being called for a head shot. Harrison diving in with a head shot into John Brown which sends his helmet off as well as the ball. Blatant holds on the Cardinals all day and even when Campbell made his sack. Jefferson being held from behind to the extent his jersey is pulled forward and no call. A ref standing in back of Minter when he gets shoved in the back after a play and then Minter getting flagged for simply pushing back. Yes, refs can decide a game of inches when their penalties result in yards. The NFL is a high powered business and their business relies on the Cardinals to lose so their big market franchises can win

 

[NJCardFan]

The way this game was officiated you'd think it was produced by Vince McMahon. That said, we still had a chance to win until Palmer decided to play with blinders on and miss a safety.

 

[Cardiac]

I don't know Jet, I just think this officiating crew sucks. I'm not buying into a conspiracy at this point.

BA alluded to it during his post game presser, when JB's helmet came off doesn't that stop the play at that moment, silly new rule # 572.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I don't know Jet, I just think this officiating crew sucks. I'm not buying into a conspiracy at this point.

BA alluded to it during his post game presser, when JB's helmet came off doesn't that stop the play at that moment, silly new rule # 572.

I'm not saying the game is scripted but one would really have to have an imagination to say that the officiating does not heavily favor another team more than a imagination not to see what is obviously apparent in my opinion

 

[Buckybird]

I'm not saying the game is scripted but one would really have to have an imagination to say that the officiating does not heavily favor another team more than a imagination not to see what is obviously apparent in my opinion

They can definitely dictate the flow of games & scores of games with inconsistent calls & erroneous ones as we all saw today.

I'm still trying to figure out what a catch is & they blew another one today in the Lions game on a clear pick in the end zone that was ruled a TD catch!!! Really?

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

Well said, Jetstream...

I've seen 48+ years of this...The NFL will ALWAYS side with the marquee teams...I told my wife before the game started we'd get hosed on 4-5 plays.

The NFL is what it is...a business.

That being said...at 4-2 we're still in pretty good shape.

Mark

 

[Broseph]

I've seen 48+ years of this...The NFL will ALWAYS side with the marquee teams...I told my wife before the game started we'd get hosed on 4-5 plays.

The NFL is what it is...a business.

That being said...at 4-2 we're still in pretty good shape.

Mark

The Steelers were the benefactors of some great calls/non calls in the Super bowel as well against us.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

100% agree with Jets.

 

[Russ Smith]

Put it this way, on the John Brown fumble he fell on top ofthe ball it's lying underneath him and then in the pileup the Steelers recover it.

In tonights game the onside kick the Pats player falls on top of the ball, lying underneath him, during the pileup Moncrief gets the ball and comes out with it. And the refs give the ball to.... the Pats.

One was a KO one was a pass play but the end of both plays were identical, player falling on top of the ball not really having possession. In our game they got the call right, tonight they not only blew the call live, they watched the replay and still gave the ball to the guy who fell on it without having possession.

 

[ajcardfan]

Yeah, but you are all going to tune in next week.

The NFL could take a literal dump on each and every football fan in America and they would STILL be the #1 sport in revenue by a mile.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

Exactly, Russ...

The NFL will NEVER go away in popularity but if you're NOT a marquee team it will ALWAYS be an uphill battle to come out on top.

Mark

 

[CtCardinals78]

I'm not saying the game is scripted but one would really have to have an imagination to say that the officiating does not heavily favor another team more than a imagination not to see what is obviously apparent in my opinion

After today, it would take quite an effort for someone to convince me this league isn't rigged in some, way shape or form. That was the only way I could explain away what happened to the Cardinals today. The officiating has been downright atrocious in the NFL for years, today was the first time I have seen a game "officiated" this badly. To me it was obvious there was much more going on than just missed calls or non calls. The refs directly influenced the outcome of this game.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Add in the Steelers schedule where after they go to KC next week, they then have 3 straight home games followed by a BYE! Cmon... Has anyone ever seen that before??? 4 straight weeks of not having to travel in the middle of the season?? Crazy...

 

[Dude]

This junk get's old. We had every chance to put that game away in they first half and didn't. End of story for me. Well there's pulling Vick for a look see on 3rd and short. I forget in the Super Bowl they called a hold for a safety giving us two points and the ball negating the first down that would have ended the game right there. Come on man we let that game go.

 

[nashman]

We got shafted pure and simple

 

[bojack]

I don't know Jet, I just think this officiating crew sucks. I'm not buying into a conspiracy at this point.

BA alluded to it during his post game presser, when JB's helmet came off doesn't that stop the play at that moment, silly new rule # 572.

It does normally but it was a fumble and the fumble occurred before the helmet came off and the helmet came off in the progress of a legit tackle. If it was ripped off from a face mask then it would have been a bit more unclear (unless the ball came out after the penalty of course).

I would comment again just how unproductive it is to even bring the refs into the context of a loss, especially this one when the refs had a typical lack luster performance but alas did not win or lose the game for either team... but it doesn't matter because nothing we say will change anything, the coaches aren't taking advice from this forum, and for those who can't muster the thought that their team just laid an egg and it wasn't the refs who decided the outcome, neither is the NFL or the officials.

I've seen plenty of really, really bad calls and no calls, and there are probably a few games in recent history that those calls did change the outcome for us. This was far from one of those. If you think it is egregious that they didn't throw a flag for a tug on Floyd's shirt well welcome to the NFL, sometimes you get a call and sometimes you don't. Seems like more people than normal are quick to blame every misstep on the refs and maybe that has something to do with the broadcast showing BA flipping out at every flag (even the legit ones), I don't know.

This team has some serious soul searching to do and if anyone on that teams is saying "woulda coulda except for that one call..." then we are not going far at all unfortunately. I would expect they are more grounded in reality than passionate fans though.

In this Colts Pats game I that decision to award the Pats the ball on the onside was more confusing than any call or non-call I saw in the Cards game. Colts come up with the ball, yet they review and say their is no conclusive evidence to show who had the ball. The best replay evidence showed they did get the ball, they came up with the ball... I'm waiting to hear the explanation for that one next week. Those are the calls the frustrate me... not the ones where it is a close call and you could go either way with it, but the ones that really make no sense, like totally phantom calls.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

In this Colts Pats game I that decision to award the Pats the ball on the onside was more confusing than any call or non-call I saw in the Cards game. Colts come up with the ball, yet they review and say their is no conclusive evidence to show who had the ball. The best replay evidence showed they did get the ball, they came up with the ball... I'm waiting to hear the explanation for that one next week. Those are the calls the frustrate me... not the ones where it is a close call and you could go either way with it, but the ones that really make no sense, like totally phantom calls.

That was a bad call. Colts had the ball and the replay showed them getting control of the ball. I agree that calls like that that are so blatant really ruin the game.

 

[PACardsFan]

It does normally but it was a fumble and the fumble occurred before the helmet came off and the helmet came off in the progress of a legit tackle. If it was ripped off from a face mask then it would have been a bit more unclear (unless the ball came out after the penalty of course).

I would comment again just how unproductive it is to even bring the refs into the context of a loss, especially this one when the refs had a typical lack luster performance but alas did not win or lose the game for either team... but it doesn't matter because nothing we say will change anything, the coaches aren't taking advice from this forum, and for those who can't muster the thought that their team just laid an egg and it wasn't the refs who decided the outcome, neither is the NFL or the officials.

I've seen plenty of really, really bad calls and no calls, and there are probably a few games in recent history that those calls did change the outcome for us. This was far from one of those. If you think it is egregious that they didn't throw a flag for a tug on Floyd's shirt well welcome to the NFL, sometimes you get a call and sometimes you don't. Seems like more people than normal are quick to blame every misstep on the refs and maybe that has something to do with the broadcast showing BA flipping out at every flag (even the legit ones), I don't know.

This team has some serious soul searching to do and if anyone on that teams is saying "woulda coulda except for that one call..." then we are not going far at all unfortunately. I would expect they are more grounded in reality than passionate fans though.

In this Colts Pats game I that decision to award the Pats the ball on the onside was more confusing than any call or non-call I saw in the Cards game. Colts come up with the ball, yet they review and say their is no conclusive evidence to show who had the ball. The best replay evidence showed they did get the ball, they came up with the ball... I'm waiting to hear the explanation for that one next week. Those are the calls the frustrate me... not the ones where it is a close call and you could go either way with it, but the ones that really make no sense, like totally phantom calls.

Utter BS. You can take your 17 posts & go back to rooting for your Steelers. If it wasn't blatantly obvious to you what took place on that field today, nothing anyone says here will matter.

 

[Buckybird]

All the naysayers saying bad calls don't lose games, I have this to say.

One you can probably say yes...2 you're walking a gray line...3 puts a team behind the 8 ball...4 directly affects the outcome. I'd say we had a least 4 go against us today, so let's not act like it didn't affect that final score.

 

[8ndkorner]

Yeah, but you are all going to tune in next week.

The NFL could take a literal dump on each and every football fan in America and they would STILL be the #1 sport in revenue by a mile.

No, the NFL could not "literally take a dump".

 

[nashman]

Shoot I can think of 6 or 7 terrible calls that totally changed this game but hey lets just blame it on us not executing or some other crap! We put up tons up yardage and stats only to have points taken away from us with bad calls or lots of non calls!

 

[8ndkorner]

No, the NFL could not "literally take a dump".

Dang me! I was looking for a icon/graphic of a steamy pile of waste with, a dairy queen curl at the top but alas, there isn't one!

 

[Jetstream Green]

All the naysayers saying bad calls don't lose games, I have this to say.

One you can probably say yes...2 you're walking a gray line...3 puts a team behind the 8 ball...4 directly affects the outcome. I'd say we had a least 4 go against us today, so let's not act like it didn't affect that final score.

I can remember against the Cowboys in 1998 and Rob Moore getting mugged in the end zone and no flag and Deon Sanders himself said they ran off the field after the game because it was a bogus call and could not believe it but would take it for the win with the image of a kid in a Cardinal tee looking baffled on the broadcast. I remember the bogus roughing the passer call on E.J. Junior in '84 against the Redskins. I remember more and I am tired of it and had to vent after this game because there was way too many to not say that it is not apparent. One play with the ball bouncing the right way can win a professional football game, and we where limited the chances to win because a ton of calls or non calls by the refs today. Palmer and this team should not have to play a game where another team is allotted more chances because the other teams do not convert on all of them either... but they get more than us and end up winning because of the officiating!

 

[Osbern61]

Smokey's fumble and recovery by the Steelers reminded me a lot of the fumble recovery that Mauro had against the Lions last week in which we were the beneficiaries.

 

[Buckybird]

I can remember against the Cowboys in 1998 and Rob Moore getting mugged in the end zone and no flag and Deon Sanders himself said they ran off the field after the game because it was a bogus call and could not believe it but would take it for the win with the image of a kid in a Cardinal tee looking baffled on the broadcast. I remember the bogus roughing the passer call on E.J. Junior in '84 against the Redskins. I remember more and I am tired of it and had to vent after this game because there was way too many to not say that it is not apparent. One play with the ball bouncing the right way can win a professional football game, and we where limited the chances to win because a ton of calls or non calls by the refs today. Palmer and this team should not have to play a game where another team is allotted more chances because the other teams do not convert on all of them either... but they get more than us and end up winning because of the officiating!

I hear ya!!! I was livid today & my GF is a Cowpies fan & she couldn't believe those BS calls. Anyone saying they didn't change the outcome of that game isn't a realist.

Those are the 2 games & plays that came to my mind as well today. That Giants loss when the WR clearly flipped the ball out in the closing mins also came to mind. Hell they wouldn't have even made the playoffs with that loss (I believe) & eventually won the Super Bowl that year. Lol

These games are soooo close today & one bad call can put an L in the column for any team. Sure we had a chance to overcome, but bad calls by the refs are magnified in games like today, especially when it's more than 1.

Tell Dallas (no Dez catch) Detroit (PI) & Green Bay (fail Mary) that a bad call doesn't matter

Btw did you see the Tate TD today where he dropped the ball for an Int & it was ruled at catch? Really? Wow. Dear NFL you still don't know what a catch is lol