If Josh keeps playing like this....

[D-Dogg]

We'll see? ok?

That's pretty much all I'm saying. We'll see. I loved the game today, but I'm not ready to annoint him the starter next year based on this game.

We shall see. Props to him for this game, but a game does not a QB make...although I'd LOVE to see this QB every week....

 

[Crimson Warrior]

That's pretty much all I'm saying. We'll see. I loved the game today, but I'm not ready to annoint him the starter next year based on this game.

We shall see. Props to him for this game, but a game does not a QB make...although I'd LOVE to see this QB every week....

You da man D Dogg!

 

[Shane]

If there were realistic expectations for Josh, I'd probably be far less harsh on the guy. I had given him the bennie of the doubt most the season, and felt betrayed.

Realistic? You are the one setting unrealistic expectations on him. The guy is basically a rookie as far as a starting QB in this league. He has a whopping 15 starts. His record in 15 starts for a guy making his first 15 starts isnt bad(6-9). Neither are his overall stats.

Yet you McCown bashers act like he should be expected to have 30 Tds versus 10 Ints. Thats unrealistic. The guy has done very well considering what he has gone through. New Coach= New system, WR injuries and the whole corps is young, An O-line that has been terrible most of the year, A running game that has been for the most part bad, yet it seems as though all of the blame from you guys for this teams flaws land squarely on Josh's shoulders.

He has really stepped it up the last two games. If it continues for two more there is no doubt he will be the starting QB here in 2005. Just as Skkkorp already proclaimed!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yet you McCown bashers act like he should be expected to have 30 Tds versus 10 Ints.

Shane, with the above inane comment, you realize that you just took what has been a pretty harmless thread - where pretty much everyone was actually in agreement - and tried to turn it into a flame war, don't you?

Sheesh.

That comment above pisses me off and is total BS.

 

[Shane]

Shane, with the above inane comment, you realize that you just took what has been a pretty harmless thread - where pretty much everyone was actually in agreement - and tried to turn it into a flame war, don't you?

Sheesh.

That comment above pisses me off and is total BS.

Get over it. Thats a fact. Thats the way the bashers for the most part act. They have acted that way after every game until now. Am I wrong?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Get over it. Thats a fact. Thats the way the bashers for the most part act. They have acted that way after every game until now. Am I wrong?

Are you serious? I'm not going to continue this because you're acting like a child. Everyone is getting along here and you want to start crap - fine - but I'm not gonna get wrapped up in your extreme exaggerations.

 

[Shane]

If there were realistic expectations for Josh, I'd probably be far less harsh on the guy. I had given him the bennie of the doubt most the season, and felt betrayed.

This quote wreaks of what I posted Cheese does it not?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Get over it. Thats a fact. Thats the way the bashers for the most part act. They have acted that way after every game until now. Am I wrong?

And since you've asked - I 'd like to see one post that says people expected Josh to throw for 30 TDs and 10 picks.

By the way - nice game by Thomas - I can only play a couple good games a year - Jones.

 

[Shane]

Are you serious? I'm not going to continue this because you're acting like a child. Everyone is getting along here and you want to start crap - fine - but I'm not gonna get wrapped up in your extreme exaggerations.

That sounds childish to me?

 

[D-Dogg]

Realistic? You are the one setting unrealistic expectations on him. The guy is basically a rookie as far as a starting QB in this league. He has a whopping 15 starts. His record in 15 starts for a guy making his first 15 starts isnt bad(6-9). Neither are his overall stats.

Yet you McCown bashers act like he should be expected to have 30 Tds versus 10 Ints. Thats unrealistic. The guy has done very well considering what he has gone through. New Coach= New system, WR injuries and the whole corps is young, An O-line that has been terrible most of the year, A running game that has been for the most part bad, yet it seems as though all of the blame from you guys for this teams flaws land squarely on Josh's shoulders.

He has really stepped it up the last two games. If it continues for two more there is no doubt he will be the starting QB here in 2005. Just as Skkkorp already proclaimed!

Let's be realistic. He's a third year QB, watching and learning and having now 16 games under his belt as a starter. Some have been ok, some horrible, some great (tonight). IF he continues, is the question. IF. IF.

I don't care what anyone proclaims..I care what someone does or does not do on the field. Benching may have been good for Josh...we shall see.

It seems as all the McCoolaiders want to put all the successes of the team on Josh's shoulders, yet never say its his fault when they lose. It's not in either case. The defense lost a lot of games, and won a lot of games. Tonight, Josh was everything a McCoolaider said he would be. Tonight. What about in Seattle? That is the test...the real test. He's got my attention again, that's true. But I'm not sold by ANY stretch of the imagination.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This quote wreaks of what I posted Cheese does it not?

No Shane it doesn't - some us epxected more from the kid - but that didn't mean we expected him to be an all-pro throwing 30 TDs to 10 picks - after all - his TD:Turnover ration is still barely above 1:1.

You just take ANY kind of criticism SO HARD - you always have - you did it with Shipp and Barrett(with Barrett to ridiculous levels). It's OKAY to critisize guys - especially Josh who didn't play well at the beginning of the season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That sounds childish to me?

I'm done with this. Go brag about how good Thomas Jones is over something Shane.

This thread was actually about football before you started to call people out. Sorry for helping it to drift off - won't do it anymore.

 

[D-Dogg]

This quote wreaks of what I posted Cheese does it not?

Well, not if you take the rest of the quote, and don't selectively cut it out:

"If he plays the rest of the year the way he did the last 6 quarters, I will eat crow on the guy, very happily."


Or to discount the rest of my posts on this thread alone. I guess you only see what you want to see, both in posts on the message board and in quarterback play. Tonight at least, everyone else saw what Josh could do while you thought you saw it when he was stinking it up.

Please, for God's sake, just be realistic and understand Josh has had a bad year overall. The Niners are Josh-and-14 on the season (or will be). See, I can selectively see what I want too...that doesn't make it right.

Josh had a great game tonight. A great game does not a starter make. Let's see if he can string two more together and maybe get us some postseason hope...

 

[jstadvl]

Ok

Shane-all excellent points, but we need someone behind Josh, other than Navarre, to keep him fired. Just until he realizes how good he really is, anmd does alot of what he did today. such as looking one way and throwing the other, he had alot of patience today waiting until the lsat second to let it go, checking off.
The play when he scored the 2nd TD was supposed to go to Smith but they both saw it breakdown and the communication, in the heat of battle was there.
Russ-the things i'm going with you on is we have to have a challenging back up Q and basically the let's see attitude. But if he plays like this against the Hags I'm in for McCown all the way next year.
Whoever said something about the fumble being on McCown was'nt watching the play. Josh was moving from some pressure then Big's man whipped around him. Josh could;nt have even known it was time to tuck. And, we had plenty of players that could have recovered that ball, not sure everyone knew it was fumbled.
McCown has all the tools and other than the very first set in the second half he didn't panic at all today.
Receivers made GREAT plays? McCown put that ball right on the money today. even the long one to Q should have been caught. But that's another story.
I agree we need to see McCown do this on a consistent basis. When he does, 30 points will be a weekly occurence.
Lastly the refs, even though they tried, could'nt hand the game over to the Rams.

 

[Shane]

No Shane it doesn't - some us epxected more from the kid - but that didn't mean we expected him to be an all-pro throwing 30 TDs to 10 picks - after all - his TD:Turnover ration is still barely above 1:1.

You just take ANY kind of criticism SO HARD - you always have - you did it with Shipp and Barrett(with Barrett to ridiculous levels). It's OKAY to critisize guys - especially Josh who didn't play well at the beginning of the season.

Hmm I take it to hard huh? Maybe you unnecisarily criticize to hard? Did you ever think that? A turnover of 1:1 for a new QB isnt all that bad is it? I hardly think so!

D-Dogg,

Yes he is a 3rd year QB as far as being in the league. But not as far as playing. There is a huge difference in the two. Especially when your first two years you were learning entirely different systems and then in the the 3rd you get another all new Offensive system.

Let me ask you a question. What did you consider realistic from Josh? You wouldnt consider 5-7 as a new QB in a new system with an extreme lack of talent at RB and the O-line realistic?

 

[Shane]

I'm done with this. Go brag about how good Thomas Jones is over something Shane.

This thread was actually about football before you started to call people out. Sorry for helping it to drift off - won't do it anymore.

Whatever Cheese. It obvious you are a little sensative tonight.

 

[Shane]

Shane-all excellent points, but we need someone behind Josh, other than Navarre, to keep him fired. Just until he realizes how good he really is, anmd does alot of what he did today. such as looking one way and throwing the other, he had alot of patience today waiting until the lsat second to let it go, checking off.
The play when he scored the 2nd TD was supposed to go to Smith but they both saw it breakdown and the communication, in the heat of battle was there.
Russ-the things i'm going with you on is we have to have a challenging back up Q and basically the let's see attitude. But if he plays like this against the Hags I'm in for McCown all the way next year.
Whoever said something about the fumble being on McCown was'nt watching the play. Josh was moving from some pressure then Big's man whipped around him. Josh could;nt have even known it was time to tuck. And, we had plenty of players that could have recovered that ball, not sure everyone knew it was fumbled.
McCown has all the tools and other than the very first set in the second half he didn't panic at all today.
Receivers made GREAT plays? McCown put that ball right on the money today. even the long one to Q should have been caught. But that's another story.
I agree we need to see McCown do this on a consistent basis. When he does, 30 points will be a weekly occurence.
Lastly the refs, even though they tried, could'nt hand the game over to the Rams.

I agree with that. Im all for bringing a capable starter to push McCown. I have no problem with that!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Hmm I take it to hard huh? Maybe you unnecisarily criticize to hard? Did you ever think that? A turnover of 1:1 for a new QB isnt all that bad is it? I hardly think so!

it isn't all that bad Shane - but at the same time - IT ISN'T ALL THAT GOOD EITHER - and if you take away his 4 TD game today - he doesn't even have that on the season. Maybe I do criticize too hard - i certainly did last offseason, but I DO believe it has a lot to do with combatting some of the over-praise from the other side of the board - like everyone's battle cry of "GRaves has a plan" last year - I see one thing going in the extreme and sometime, in the heat of argument, the other side of the extreme comes up.

But Shane - you're acting like his play today was what we saw all year - and it clearly wasn't. He's been SOOOOO much better the last 6 quarters than he ever was all season and THAT is the reason he got criticized as he did - we didn't expect lights out like he's been playing(albeit against two HORRIBLE defenses), but we didn't expect games where he threw for 90 yards or fumbled 3 times, or had our FB throw our first TD pass in the fourth game - get my drift? The offense struggled the entirety of the first ten games(save the Niners and Saints games - again - two horrid defenses) with very few gilmpses of hope for some of us - but now its gone from boom to bust in 6 quarters and we're admitting WE LIKE WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND YET YOU ARE STILL ON OUR ASS - GET OVER IT - THE REALITY IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE - that's where most of the josh "bashers" are trying to get to - why can't you?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Whatever Cheese. It obvious you are a little sensative tonight.

Shane - when I see stupidity I call people on it - period. I'm still waiting for a post showing ANYONE claiming they expected 30 TDs and 10 INTs.

As far as sensitive - I'm not the one who started calling people out here Shane you child.

 

[Shane]

it isn't all that bad Shane - but at the same time - IT ISN'T ALL THAT GOOD EITHER - and if you take away his 4 TD game today - he doesn't even have that on the season. Maybe I do criticize too hard - i certainly did last offseason, but I DO believe it has a lot to do with combatting some of the over-praise from the other side of the board - like everyone's battle cry of "GRaves has a plan" last year - I see one thing going in the extreme and sometime, in the heat of argument, the other side of the extreme comes up.

But Shane - you're acting like his play today was what we saw all year - and it clearly wasn't. He's been SOOOOO much better the last 6 quarters than he ever was all season and THAT is the reason he got criticized as he did - we didn't expect lights out like he's been playing(albeit against two HORRIBLE defenses), but we didn't expect games where he threw for 90 yards or fumbled 3 times, or had our FB throw our first TD pass in the fourth game - get my drift? The offense struggled the entirety of the first ten games(save the Niners and Saints games - again - two horrid defenses) with very few gilmpses of hope for some of us - but now its gone from boom to bust in 6 quarters and we're admitting WE LIKE WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND YET YOU ARE STILL ON OUR ASS - GET OVER IT - THE REALITY IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE - that's where most of the josh "bashers" are trying to get to - why can't you?

No Im on their(not your) ass when someone makes a comment like D-dogg saying that we as McCown supporters dont have realistic expectations of the guy? Thats just crazy. I never said the guy was the best thing since sliced bread. I even criticized him several time right before his benching. I can research the posts if you would like proof. But I did look at the total picture of what was wrong with this team.

To many times after those losses you would have a plethura of anti McCowners coming on here saying that he was pretty much the sole reason for our losses. Or at least sounding that way in their posts. They would say thing like the "the o_line protection was good enough" even when it was downright atrocious etc......

 

[KingofCards]

Wow.

I'll read the rest of this thread some other day.

Josh is our QB. We don't need anyone else.

 

[Shane]

Shane - when I see stupidity I call people on it - period. I'm still waiting for a post showing ANYONE claiming they expected 30 TDs and 10 INTs.

As far as sensitive - I'm not the one who started calling people out here Shane you child.

Your right that was never said exactly but what D-dogg said sure sounds like it IMO. Im still waiting on his answer on what he thought was realistic expectations for McCown this year? Especially considering what he had to work with?

 

[KingofCards]

We need so many other things. We got our Qb.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We need so many other things. We got our Qb.

See - here is where the opposite extreme is DYING to come out. Josh played well - at home - for TWO quarters against THE WORST TEAM IN THE LEGAUE and against a Larry Marmie D that is terrible. Progress yes - but the jury is still out.

 

[Shane]

See - here is where the opposite extreme is DYING to come out. Josh played well - at home - for TWO quarters against THE WORST TEAM IN THE LEGAUE and against a Larry Marmie D that is terrible. Progress yes - but the jury is still out.

Cheese what will you say if Josh lets say averages about 250 a game with 2 TDs and 1 Int per over the next 2 games and looks good doing it win or lose.

What would you think for next year?