If Josh keeps playing like this....

[jstadvl]

agree

beef, we need to wait and see and realize, if mccown continues to use all his weapons, no matter who it makes unhappy,we may have found a =part to the puzzle.
now i know having a aqauintance with him could cloud the way I see it. But , I don't think so this time.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese what will you say if Josh lets say averages about 250 a game with 2 TDs and 1 Int per over the next 2 games and looks good doing it win or lose.

What would you think for next year?

I'd say he definitely gets tendered the high tender and is given a shot to win the job. I'm REALLY curious to see how well he plays next weekend. I'm praying that St. Louis loses in the morning, because then - AND ONLY THEN - will that game actually have SERIOUS pressure on it. I want to see how he performs unde such circumstances before I can make any lasting decision.

I just don't want to get Hasselbacked - he was a guy who totally stunk - but supposedly had sooo much talent - early in his career when he was a starter only to turn it on once the games didn't really matter that much - and granted he had a very good year last year - he has seemed to fallen back to the ranks of also ran. That Seahaw offense shoudl be CRUSHING people and I put a lot of blame on Matt's shoulders. I don't want Josh to be that same type of QB who just gives you enough to hang on, but never gets to that next level.

I DO NOT THINK THIS TEAM NEEDS TO DRAFT A QB IN THE FIRST ROUND - period. We need to go RB and fianlly get 3 ridiculous weapons out there for whatever QB may be out there - if it's Josh - well - then that's one less position we have to worry about - so I'm hoping it's him - but I'm still skeptical.

Like I said - next week's game could actually have major implications - I hope the kid(and the rest of the club) is up to the task.

 

[Shane]

I'd say he definitely gets tendered the high tender and is given a shot to win the job. I'm REALLY curious to see how well he plays next weekend. I'm praying that St. Louis loses in the morning, because then - AND ONLY THEN - will that game actually have SERIOUS pressure on it. I want to see how he performs unde such circumstances before I can make any lasting decision.

I just don't want to get Hasselbacked - he was a guy who totally stunk - but supposedly had sooo much talent - early in his career when he was a starter only to turn it on once the games didn't really matter that much - and granted he had a very good year last year - he has seemed to fallen back to the ranks of also ran. That Seahaw offense shoudl be CRUSHING people and I put a lot of blame on Matt's shoulders. I don't want Josh to be that same type of QB who just gives you enough to hang on, but never gets to that next level.

I DO NOT THINK THIS TEAM NEEDS TO DRAFT A QB IN THE FIRST ROUND - period. We need to go RB and fianlly get 3 ridiculous weapons out there for whatever QB may be out there - if it's Josh - well - then that's one less position we have to worry about - so I'm hoping it's him - but I'm still skeptical.

Like I said - next week's game could actually have major implications - I hope the kid(and the rest of the club) is up to the task.

I agree completely!

 

[conraddobler]

I agree completely!

This board is hilarious among other things.

The love fest after wins is almost as entertaining as the slugfests after losses.

I like the wins better but the slugfests are certainly exciting....


It's Oprah when we win and Springer when we lose....

 

[WildBB]

This board is hilarious among other things.

The love fest after wins is almost as entertaining as the slugfests after losses.

I like the wins better but the slugfests are certainly exciting....


It's Oprah when we win and Springer when we lose....

So True. Josh took one yes ONE step today. It took until week 15 basically to finally take it. Lets hope for more.

 

[D-Dogg]

No Im on their(not your) ass when someone makes a comment like D-dogg saying that we as McCown supporters dont have realistic expectations of the guy? Thats just crazy. I never said the guy was the best thing since sliced bread. I even criticized him several time right before his benching. I can research the posts if you would like proof. But I did look at the total picture of what was wrong with this team.

To many times after those losses you would have a plethura of anti McCowners coming on here saying that he was pretty much the sole reason for our losses. Or at least sounding that way in their posts. They would say thing like the "the o_line protection was good enough" even when it was downright atrocious etc......

See Shane, this isn't the case. I never criticized Josh until the Atl game, and STILL gave him the benefit of the doubt as Q wasn't in and healthy. I rooted for the guy. However, some on this board, maybe not you, but many others, were McCoolaiders and couldn't find fault in him. This served to rached up my protests against his play. Like I said earlier in the thread, it isn't JOSH per se that I am against; it is the incredible Josh backing that goes on when he doesn't perform (he led us to 4-5, which he didn't, the defense did). I counter the overexuberance of Josh fans by bashing on him.

He is not, and was not, the reason for our losses, but he did NOT help us win some very winnable games. He made bad reads, and threw crappy balls that could have gotten our receivers killed. He hasn't done so in the last 6 quarters, but that doesn't mean I'm going to jump back on his bandwagon. I'm taking a wait and see with him. But many see this game and are ready for him to start next season. I am not. I can't see how anyone would. String em together the rest of the year, and then maybe I'll say Josh deserves a shot at starting for us next year.

As much as you may be frustrated with my own waffling on Josh, I am equally and probably moreso, frustrated with those who think he is the answer. He's showed us 6 really good quarters, against a really bad (SF_, and not very good (SL) defense. Let's just wait and see what he can do before drinking 24 ouncers of McCoolaid.

He's not horrible, but he isn't starter material...yet. Let's see. Let's just WAIT and see....that's all I'm saying, and all I'll say. I'd love to see him light it up...he's a good guy...let's see if he's a good QB.

 

[D-Dogg]

I DO NOT THINK THIS TEAM NEEDS TO DRAFT A QB IN THE FIRST ROUND - period. We need to go RB and fianlly get 3 ridiculous weapons out there for whatever QB may be out there - if it's Josh - well - then that's one less position we have to worry about - so I'm hoping it's him - but I'm still skeptical.

Like I said - next week's game could actually have major implications - I hope the kid(and the rest of the club) is up to the task.

My thoughts exactly....

 

[Cheesebeef]

The love fest after wins is almost as entertaining as the slugfests after losses.

I like the wins better but the slugfests are certainly exciting....

come on now conrad - the wins may be better - be the board is much more fun after a loss!

Oh - my bad - you said "almost" as much fun.

 

[CaptTurbo]

McCown played awesome. Always liked his passion.

Now as far as long term? Nah. If you have tape of him throwing for more than 10 yards where the ball isnt thrown up for anyone to grab save it. It is rare film indeed.

 

[Russ Smith]

Why do you say that Russ.

In listening to Josh it sounds like the benching was made him decide to start pulling the trigger.

Which is one reason I was suggesting we bench him in the first place. I mean not going back to him but instead starting Navarre, I think if Josh continues to play well people will look at that 4 pick while playing hurt game and say man if green had just started josh, they might be in the playoffs. And it was wrong to not start josh against Detroit, said that all along.

 

[Pariah]

Everyone hoping we draft a QB with our #1 will be dissapointed.

I'll be disappointed if we don't bring a vet in to compete with him. The only way I would have wanted us to draft a QB in the first this year is if we had the #1 or #2 picks. I think Linhart and Rogers may go 1 and 2 and then there's nobody else I'd really want.

On the flip side, if Josh keeps playing like this, I think even the most ardent Josh-bashers (coughswdcoughcough) will be happy with him under center--how could you not?

Still, I'd like an insurance policy in the form of Kitna or Bledsoe, etc..

 

[Russ Smith]

I'll be disappointed if we don't bring a vet in to compete with him. The only way I would have wanted us to draft a QB in the first this year is if we had the #1 or #2 picks. I think Linhart and Rogers may go 1 and 2 and then there's nobody else I'd really want.

On the flip side, if Josh keeps playing like this, I think even the most ardent Josh-bashers (coughswdcoughcough) will be happy with him under center--how could you not?

Still, I'd like an insurance policy in the form of Kitna or Bledsoe, etc..

This is pretty much how I feel, if we could get a Rodgers or Leinart take them, if not, bring in a veteran or hope someone like Charlie Frye slips and we can get him in round 2(unlikely).

I didn't expect Josh to come back, I figured he'd bad the year when Green went to Navarre, the fact that he's overcome that adversity and is winging it impresses me. Maybe the combination of the benching and the family death has changed him for the better. Just think we need to be careful, the we need a QB to Josh is the guy change happened VERY quickly last year, on one pass really, I think we need to be more careful this time. Clearly from Graves' comments at least HE is being realistic, he's impressed us, we're looking to see more of him.

 

[john h]

Everyone hoping we draft a QB with our #1 will be dissapointed.

If he finishes the year in the last two games the way he has played these two games then he will be our QB again next year. He is showing great signs of improvement.

Oh and the only stat that matters? 3-1 in his last four starts. 6-9 as a starter overall. Not a bad record for a QB in his first 15 NFL starts.

Thats all assuming we win this game(we will)!

Best not to get to high or to low and let this thing play itself out. This was one game against a team without a QB. Enjoy the moment and hope for the best in the two remaining games. Tampa looks like they are playing rather well so this will be a good test for no only Josh but the entire team. It was a great team effort all the way around. Defense, Offense, and special teams. Even the coaching except for the decision to try and score with about one minute left in the first half with a 16 point lead. Maybe this game will help Wilson give the Cards a second look.

 

[chickenhead]

Josh hasn’t won the starting job for next year, and I’m not sure that he should be able to win it this year at all. What he is earning is a fair shot, which is more than most QBs get. He has a tough game on the road next week. The Seahawks can look terrible at times, but so can we. If he comes back with a win, things get more interesting.

In any case, it all depends on who actually becomes available on the FA market or via a trade. Discussions about Kitna, Bledsoe, Brooks, and Brees are all conditional. We can probably assume that Brees is going to stay put, and Kitna’s contract isn’t so big that Cincy can’t keep him around as insurance. Bledsoe’s restructuring is friendly enough to let the Bills take their time with Losman. Brooks could be cut, but I don’t see them doing it before they are confident about a replacement. Bottom line is that Josh has to play the Seahawks and the Bucs first. Hopefully he’ll do well enough that we don’t feel we have to draft a QB, at least.

 

[john h]

Couldn't his benching Josh be part of his "master plan" which, so far, seems to have worked to ignite a spark in Josh........

I think people who say benching of Josh was some sort of master plan by Green are way over thinking this. He did not like the way Josh was playing and thought he had a better chance with the other guy. This is not rocket science and few coaches are rocket scientist.

 

[chickenhead]

If Green's motives were centered around motivating Josh, he wouldn't have benched him twice for King (despite a poor first performance by King) and then for Navarre on the road. If Navarre hadn't been injured, we probably would have seen him again against San Francisco. I'm glad it seems to be working out, but it's not a stroke of genius.

 

[john h]

Several is probably an overstatement. No receiver catches 100% of catchable passess.

Overall, I thought our receivers played pretty well today.

Our receivers played better than pretty well. They played well above average with some real big time catches. There size and hands really showed up today. Our receivers made the Rams DB's look like midgets. With miss matches like this you can overcome a lack of speed. Unfortunately the rest of the NFL does not always have these small DB's.

 

[john h]

Well there was at least three that were right in the chest that were dropped today. So Ill change it to a few. Hows that?

Sounds about right to me. We can live with that the way the rest of the team was playing. My game ball today would go to the Defense. Everyone on the team played well but the defense was as good as it gets. Clearly the best defensive game in a couple of years. On offense I give kudos to BIG on the line.

 

[Russ Smith]

If Green's motives were centered around motivating Josh, he wouldn't have benched him twice for King (despite a poor first performance by King) and then for Navarre on the road. If Navarre hadn't been injured, we probably would have seen him again against San Francisco. I'm glad it seems to be working out, but it's not a stroke of genius.

EVERYTHING is with Green don't you remember.

The funny thing is in a roundabout way Navarre getting hurt may have saved Josh' career here because I for one am convinced that if Navarre were healthy he'd have started against SF, played well enough against a bad team to earn a start yesterday, and Josh may never have got to play again.

Maybe Navarre is even better than Josh, I doubt it, but right now I'd say it's somewhat "fortunate" he hurt his hand, I don't believe Green was going back to Josh unless he had to.

 

[Zeno]

If I hadn't seen any other of Josh's games all season and had just yesterday to judge him by I'd say we were set at QB. He was smart with the ball, made plays with his feet and was going through his progressions. I hope he keeps it up but I've seen him look bad this year too, really bad, almost playing scared...I just hope yesterday was the real Josh and what we should come to expect from him. I want a veteran QB who will compete with and challenge Josh brought in next year and Shaun King jettisoned.

It was an awesome game(a good birthday present from my wife!), my wife even dropped an F-bomb on an obnoxious Rams fan at the game(and she ain't like that).

 

[ajcardfan]

EVERYTHING is with Green don't you remember.

After watching how Martz handled this game and the postgame, we now know what out-of-control megalomania looks like in a NFL head coach. Green almost looks like Mr Humble Pie by comparison.

 

[chickenhead]

Seriously. I couldn't believe Martz' comments. It's almost as if he thinks someone else is responsible for the fortunes of his team

 

[Russ Smith]

After watching how Martz handled this game and the postgame, we now know what out-of-control megalomania looks like in a NFL head coach. Green almost looks like Mr Humble Pie by comparison.

Martz is funny, he doesn't seem to realize that his digging in to try and save his job, is just accelerating his losing his job.

The shuffling of QB's may have paid off in the end for Green, even by accident if Josh has woken up, it may turn out to be good for this team. I still wish he'd started Josh against Detroit I personally feel we win that game if Navarre doesn't start, but maybe that was the final straw that convinced Josh to just wing it?

 

[conraddobler]

Martz is funny, he doesn't seem to realize that his digging in to try and save his job, is just accelerating his losing his job.

The shuffling of QB's may have paid off in the end for Green, even by accident if Josh has woken up, it may turn out to be good for this team. I still wish he'd started Josh against Detroit I personally feel we win that game if Navarre doesn't start, but maybe that was the final straw that convinced Josh to just wing it?

I think it also inadvertantly helped Josh regain the team.

The other two QB's are always the most popular players on the team when your QB struggles.

I think Quan and others really felt all King needed was a chance and then they'd be off to the races.

I think reality sunk in while Josh sat to some extent and now the rest of the team accepts him more than they would have had he never sat down.

Josh is a lucky guy, lets just hope it sinks in all the way and the bulb goes on or goes out this year so we don't have to waste next year figuring this out again with someone else or with Josh being in there when he shouldn't.

 

[conraddobler]

Seriously. I couldn't believe Martz' comments. It's almost as if he thinks someone else is responsible for the fortunes of his team

I gained new respect for Denny during that game.

He obviously saw weakness and went for the throat.

It was a good coaching job and I feel much better about him as our coach than I did.

It could be worse, much much worse.