If Max Hall Takes Over The Reins...

[mjb21aztd]

no matter how welll hall or anderson plays we will not win that many games if the damn defense keeps giving up 40 a game wtf..., and where the heck is Joey Porter I have seen the guy make only one play . Come on def step the hell up

 

[Linderbee]

Well, while our defense is clearly struggling, I gotta say they're probably exhausted. They've got to be on the field, like, 95% of the game or something. (yes, I know that's an exaggeration). Point is, if the offense can't stay ON the field, they're not getting any rest, and that wears you down week after week.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't think they ever intended Max Hall to be our QBOF. I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to believe that the team ended up stuck with Max Hall.

Listen to today's press conference; Whis essentially admits it. The Cards kept Max Hall because #7 went and talked to the media and undermined the HC. They couldn't keep him around after that. And then they were stuck with what they had on the roster and talking Max Hall up to an idiot like Peter King.

Ken Whisenhunt loved Brian St. Pierre. Do you think that's because of his huge arm? Coaches fall in love with players who stink all the time.

I pay attention to what coaches do, not what they say. If you love BSP, he's still here. If you cut Leinart and make Hall the backup, it's because you like Max, not because you're spinning cutting Matt.

I saw the 1:13 clip on NFL net and heard the radio clip on the website, I haven't seen the stuff you mention where Whiz admits he cut Matt because he went to the media. I do know that Whiz and staff were talking up Max Hall to the media before they cut Matt, Gruden and company told us that on air, the cards loved Hall. That was september 23rd, Leinart didn't go to the media until 9-27. In fact that ESPN game was 3 full days before Whiz announced Anderson was starting the 3rd preseason game and the whole controversy blew up. Until that point we just had Lombardi saying Matt might get cut, he said that the day after the 2nd game, and 2 full days BEFORE Whiz announced Matt was not starting the Bears game.

Seems kind of hard for that to all be after the fact spin when Lombardi clearly had a source telling him Matt's job was in trouble several days before it was official, and even more days before Matt complained to the media.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't think they ever intended Max Hall to be our QBOF. I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to believe that the team ended up stuck with Max Hall.

Listen to today's press conference; Whis essentially admits it. The Cards kept Max Hall because #7 went and talked to the media and undermined the HC. They couldn't keep him around after that. And then they were stuck with what they had on the roster and talking Max Hall up to an idiot like Peter King.

Ken Whisenhunt loved Brian St. Pierre. Do you think that's because of his huge arm? Coaches fall in love with players who stink all the time.

So you're saying Leinart would still be on the roster if he didn't say he thought he had outplayed DA. I find it hard to believe that was the deciding factor in letting ML go. If it was, then Whiz has some serious sensitivity issues. They did say they didn't think ML would function well as the backup. That's too bad because he'd be the starter now. I do think Whiz's ego may have gotten in the way and didn't want to face the prospect of having to have ML bail him out when DA failed after benching him for a second time.

 

[Russ Smith]

Probably so. It was weird, DA looked good his first few throws. Then the TD was called back and it was all over.

That's his career in a nutshell, adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it(John Wooden). When things start to go wrong, DA falls apart.

Even his comment about missing Stephen Williams, he said "I don't think it missed by that much." What is he saying, SW should have caught it? If not, who cares how much he missed him by, it was open, he missed it. I bet if you ask Aaron Rodgers about missing Jennings wide open in the playoff loss to us last year he won't say "I didn't miss him by that much." He would say I blew that, we win the game if I hit him. Whiz has several times now commented on that play, it was a called play, ran to perfection, man is open, DA misses him.

 

[kerouac9]

So you're saying Leinart would still be on the roster if he didn't say he thought he had outplayed DA. I find it hard to believe that was the deciding factor in letting ML go. If it was, then Whiz has some serious sensitivity issues. They did say they didn't think ML would function well as the backup. That's too bad because he'd be the starter now. I do think Whiz's ego may have gotten in the way and didn't want to face the prospect of having to have ML bail him out when DA failed after benching him for a second time.

That's what I'm saying. That's what Paul Calvisi said on the radio this morning. That's what Wolfley said on the radio this morning. That's what Jurecki said on the radio two weeks ago.

#7 wouldn't have started the season if he hadn't gone to the media, but he'd be starting right now if he hadn't. Of that I'm certain.

If Russ doesn't think that there's a difference in degree between "Man, this undrafted rookie can play!" and "Man, this undrafted rookie can start in the first month of the season!" then I don't know what to say. I have little doubt that the coaching staff was pleasantly surprised in what they found with Max Hall, but I have as little doubt that the plan wasn't to make Max Hall the second-string quarterback coming into the season.

It wasn't the plan until #7 turned back and walked to the media and told them that he had as little faith in the coaching staff as the coaching staff apparently had in him. #7 is savvy enough to know what he's doing when he decides to go back and talk to the media and put his HC on blast.

Bob Kemp played Whis's press conference 40 minutes ago. It's not on the Cards website yet, but he gets grilled over the starting/backup quarterback situation.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

BIM: take over the REINS (as in horse reins) not REIGNS (as in Queen Elizabeth 11 reigns over Great Britain and the Commonwealth)

I realize, but I was trying to make a word-play...a kind of non-sexual double entendre.

Nice catch though!

 

[Russ Smith]

That's what I'm saying. That's what Paul Calvisi said on the radio this morning. That's what Wolfley said on the radio this morning. That's what Jurecki said on the radio two weeks ago.

So are you now backtracking from saying Whiz said it? Or are you just adding to the list of people who said it? I can't hear Kemp's show yet.

I agree the plan going into the preseason was not Hall as backup QB. That happened because Whiz decided Matt shouldn't start, and Matt wouldn't be a good backup because he apparently didn't think Matt would handle it.

Lombardi said Matt might get cut, 4 days before he'd gone to the media and 3 days before he knew he wasn't starting the 3rd preseason game. We were all laughing at Lombardi here "sources" what a joke he's full of it. Isn't it obvious by now he actually DID have a source? Isn't it clear as day he knew the cards were considering cutting Matt, they simply needed to find out if Hall was far enough along to be the backup?

So if the Cards only cut Matt because he went to the media, why were they considering it BEFORE he went to the media?

 

[kerouac9]

So are you now backtracking from saying Whiz said it? Or are you just adding to the list of people who said it? I can't hear Kemp's show yet.

I agree the plan going into the preseason was not Hall as backup QB. That happened because Whiz decided Matt shouldn't start, and Matt wouldn't be a good backup because he apparently didn't think Matt would handle it.

Lombardi said Matt might get cut, 4 days before he'd gone to the media and 3 days before he knew he wasn't starting the 3rd preseason game. We were all laughing at Lombardi here "sources" what a joke he's full of it. Isn't it obvious by now he actually DID have a source? Isn't it clear as day he knew the cards were considering cutting Matt, they simply needed to find out if Hall was far enough along to be the backup?

So if the Cards only cut Matt because he went to the media, why were they considering it BEFORE he went to the media?

Whis essentially said they were stuck with Hall today.

Calvisi, Wolfley, and Jurecki said that #7 would still be on the roster had he not gone to the media.

Why did the Cards wait until the 53 man cut-down to release #7 if it they'd decided they couldn't keep him on the roster? Why let him be #2 in the Bears or Redskins games if that were the case?

I'm sure the Cards were considering cutting #7; he made the decision easy for them. But if you think that Max Hall is ready to be a #2 QB, then you only need to look at how awesome he was in yesterday's game. If you think that he's ready to be a #1 QB, then I'll hear from you in four or five weeks when you're still saying that he could be Ty Detmer, career QB rating 79.0.

Enjoy the Max Hall Era, Russ Smith. Obviously you can't see the writing on the wall. In Whis You Trust; we'll see where that trust takes you.

 

[desertdawg]

Enjoy the Max Hall Era, Russ Smith. Obviously you can't see the writing on the wall. In Whis You Trust; we'll see where that trust takes you.

Its more of a Max Hall try out. Coach still has my respect.

 

[TJ]

I'm not expecting anyone to agree with me on Max Hall--yet. But the evidence is starting to build, including the lack of the running game when he's in the game and even when the defense is playing prevent. That was my worry with Hall even before he was inserted in the game. As I said, I've been here the whole time, I'll wait for everyone to catch up. Like with Thomas Jones. Like with Levi Brown.

Good for you. Would you like a cookie?

Since you seem to be so clairvoyant, can you give me Wendesday's Megamillions numbers?

That's fine. I'll be here waiting when y'all are ready to admit that I was right. I don't want to be right, but I didn't see anything yesterday to change my mind about Max Hall's noodle arm, and I'm sure there aren't many (any?) teams in the NFL who are kicking themselves that they didn't offer Max Hall $6K instead of $5K to join their team.

Narcissism at its finest.

I dont honestly give a damn if you're right in the end. You were wrong on Matt Leinart (as was I). The difference is Im willing to eat crow and continue to support the players who wear Cardinal red.

As for Hall, what you saw yesterday is a rookie getting his feet wet. What did you expect? A Petyon-like display? He was playing the frickin Chargers in his first real NFL action. A defense that always plays at 100%. Most importantly, he outplayed Anderson. If thats all I get this season, Ill take it.

 

[82CardsGrad]

The bullet pass he threw to Williams for 17 yards late in the 2nd quarter, and the touch pass to Dray up the seam for 24 yards shows the kid has the arm and the touch to play in this league.
We'll see if he's got it between the ears to really make it. Physically, I have very little doubt about his potential. And according to a former player now HOF inductee - Hall's greatest strength is his mind and football savvy.

We'll soon see...

 

[Russ Smith]

Whis essentially said they were stuck with Hall today.

Calvisi, Wolfley, and Jurecki said that #7 would still be on the roster had he not gone to the media.

Why did the Cards wait until the 53 man cut-down to release #7 if it they'd decided they couldn't keep him on the roster? Why let him be #2 in the Bears or Redskins games if that were the case?

I'm sure the Cards were considering cutting #7; he made the decision easy for them. But if you think that Max Hall is ready to be a #2 QB, then you only need to look at how awesome he was in yesterday's game. If you think that he's ready to be a #1 QB, then I'll hear from you in four or five weeks when you're still saying that he could be Ty Detmer, career QB rating 79.0.

Enjoy the Max Hall Era, Russ Smith. Obviously you can't see the writing on the wall. In Whis You Trust; we'll see where that trust takes you.

They were considering cutting Matt for 2 reasons, they didn't think he'd be good as the backup again, he wouldn't accept it, and the team would have no faith in him when it became clear he wasn't starting. ANd because they thought Hall might be good enough now to be the backup. They knew that when they announced Matt wasn't starting it was going to be a problem, they'd probably lose Matt when they did it.

I don't believe they cut Matt because he went to the media, they were already considering it, they just had to see Hall play in the last 2 games to be sure they felt he was ready to be the backup. He played well enough that they were convinced.

Yes Matt made it easier, but if Hall hadn't played well in the last 2 games, they would have kept Matt, and tried to sneak Hall through waivers. Hell during the Titans game they told us the Cards were concerned they would lose Hall if they tried to put him on the practice squad. They didn't pull that out of thin air, someone on the Cards told ESPN it was a concern of theirs.

I don't believe we went into the preseason with the idea Max would be starting by the bye week of course not. But I do believe at some point early on it became clear to Whiz that Matt wasn't the guy to start for him and at that point he had to decide I really like Hall, but is he going to be able to play this year if we need him? I also think he overestimated his own ability to coach up DA until Hall was ready.

 

[Russ Smith]

Its more of a Max Hall try out. Coach still has my respect.

Exactly the beauty of it is Hall doesn't have a huge contract like Sam Bradford. If he fails he will be replaced, hell it might be this year. If he pans out great he's a steal(and will probably hold out for more money next year).

But if he fails we aren't really losing anything, DA sucks, he's had 3.5 games to show progress and he's regressed if anything. Whiz seems to have realized coaching him up is a lot tougher than I figured. We're not going to be very good this year with DA at QB, that's obvious.

 

[TJ]

They were considering cutting Matt for 2 reasons, they didn't think he'd be good as the backup again, he wouldn't accept it, and the team would have no faith in him when it became clear he wasn't starting. ANd because they thought Hall might be good enough now to be the backup. They knew that when they announced Matt wasn't starting it was going to be a problem, they'd probably lose Matt when they did it.

I don't believe they cut Matt because he went to the media, they were already considering it, they just had to see Hall play in the last 2 games to be sure they felt he was ready to be the backup. He played well enough that they were convinced.

Yes Matt made it easier, but if Hall hadn't played well in the last 2 games, they would have kept Matt, and tried to sneak Hall through waivers. Hell during the Titans game they told us the Cards were concerned they would lose Hall if they tried to put him on the practice squad. They didn't pull that out of thin air, someone on the Cards told ESPN it was a concern of theirs.

This

Even though he wasnt "wanted" by anyone in the draft, after he made a display in preseason, there would have been interest after final cuts. Unequivocally. We couldnt sneak him through waivers.

 

[TRW]

Start Hall BUT...

better see more Beanie.

Hall just MIGHT survive if Whis can stop cutting off his nose to spite his face by not playing Beanie more. He obviously has a grudge against Beanie and is refusing to give him more carries.

Hightower is fine and it's OK to start him, but Beanie needs more than 5 carries. Between the two of them it would really take the pressure off of Hall, if he gets the starting job.

With the Cards' division the season is not lost. They can win it by default almost.

More than the QB "controversy", I am more concerned with the defense. I don't see much that can fix that train wreck.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The bullet pass he threw to Williams for 17 yards late in the 2nd quarter, and the touch pass to Dray up the seam for 24 yards shows the kid has the arm and the touch to play in this league.
We'll see if he's got it between the ears to really make it. Physically, I have very little doubt about his potential. And according to a former player now HOF inductee - Hall's greatest strength is his mind and football savvy.

We'll soon see...

Derek Anderson threw an amazing touch pass to Williams in the preseason. One pass doesn't prove touch. We need much more to go on than that.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Derek Anderson threw an amazing touch pass to Williams in the preseason. One pass doesn't prove touch. We need much more to go on than that.

LMAO... clearly, we also now know that what happens in preseason doesn't always translate...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

This

Even though he wasnt "wanted" by anyone in the draft, after he made a display in preseason, there would have been interest after final cuts. Unequivocally. We couldnt sneak him through waivers.

Unequivocally .. we don't know.

 

[D-Dogg]

Unequivocally .. we don't know.

We do know. He was showcased far too much and performed well to make it through waivers. Skelton might have cleared, but that's debatable. Hall wouldn't have.

 

[Russ Smith]

Just as a side comment, the notion that the Cards were the only team that wanted Hall is just not true. Before he signed with us he did an interview for the Deseret News and he said he had something like 6 teams wanting to sign him. He later said he signed with the Cards because it was the perfect situation, coming home, and to a team that had just lost its starting QB.

So after playing so well in preseason it's pretty easy to assume that at least one of those other 6 teams would have grabbed him if we tried to get him on the practice squad.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

better see more Beanie.

Hall just MIGHT survive if Whis can stop cutting off his nose to spite his face by not playing Beanie more. He obviously has a grudge against Beanie and is refusing to give him more carries.

Hightower is fine and it's OK to start him, but Beanie needs more than 5 carries. Between the two of them it would really take the pressure off of Hall, if he gets the starting job.

With the Cards' division the season is not lost. They can win it by default almost.

More than the QB "controversy", I am more concerned with the defense. I don't see much that can fix that train wreck.

The D can be better if the O could extend some drives and not force the D to be on the field for 70 to 80 plays per game.

And that will be done by getting the RB's 30 to 35 carries per game....

 

[Shane]

We do know. He was showcased far too much and performed well to make it through waivers. Skelton might have cleared, but that's debatable. Hall wouldn't have.

You absolutely 100% do not know that.

We will never know so it's pointless to debate it. But let's not state it as a fact either.

 

[Mulli]

We do know. He was showcased far too much and performed well to make it through waivers. Skelton might have cleared, but that's debatable. Hall wouldn't have.

And that would have broken my heart. Boo hoo, no more Max Hall.

 

[john h]

I hope we see play like this:

Marshaling the offense to a "scrappy" score



But what I expect to see is this:

5 interceptions, 2 fumbles lost



Anderson has earned his way to bench, but it'll get worse with Hall...way worse.

Hall may have a chance to becoming an NFL QB but we might just destroy him by throwing him out there now. He is not going to win but we should at least not let him lose total confidence on the field. Use him here and there this year and give him a chance for success where he throws some short passes and hands off in the running game. We are going to suffer this year with Anderson or Hall but at this point I would go with Anderson. What I am concerned about is next year. We will have to sign another QB from the available free agents even if we draft a decent QB with potential. Some teams have picked up some successful QBs in free agency. Even some very good ones who do not come cheap. I wonder who the genius was that made the decision to sign Anderson? Someone had to make the final call and I suspect that person is Graves. Surely the owners would not get involved in that move unless it involved money. Perhaps Graves had a limit on the amount of money he could spend?