If Max Hall Takes Over The Reins...

[john h]

Yes sir, we were able to see a half from each QB yesterday. DA has had more practice with the first string, more experience in the NFL, and a 0-0 score to start the game with.

Hall is undrafted, wasn't prepared as the starter for the bolts, and had never seen a real NFL defense. Also he came in when the game was already over, (2mins left in second half? ) the bolts defense knew we had to throw it, and knew it was a rookie back there.

Hall out played DA. Hall isn't going to have instant success. But I'll take him and his "noodle arm" any day over DA. At least I have A small hope at QB. (no pun)

What we really need is a better group to choose from. Neither Anderson or Hall were any good Sunday. This takes us back to who put this group of QBs together in the first place? A number of us were complaining long before the season began that we needed an experienced backup behind whoever started. The problem is today but it had its beginnings many months ago and was foreseeable. We cannot just assume that Hall will ever be a starting QB who will be any good no matter how much he plays. He is un-drafted, short, and no team in the NFL wanted him. That tells you something. Maybe he will be the next Kurt Warner but I would not bet my future as an NFL team on it. Watching Sam Bradford, he looks like a rookie who has an unlimited future in the NFL. You could see Big Ben was going to be a star some day. I thought Matt would be a star but clearly a lot of people in the draft did not see it and they were apparently correct. We have never been very good at drafting QB's. We have on occasion got one but considering the number of years we have been without our success rate has been low. Unless Anderson or Hall can step up. Also the defense. This team could lose all games remaining. Amazing that I can make such a forecast when we are in first place.

 

[desertdawg]

I can see Hall having one TD pass and one interception this week. Its possible I just want to root for some one (that is not DA) badly enough that my vision is clouded. But what the hey, better to be hopeful. Its like Ray Lewis said to his QB. "You don't have to win it, just don't lose it." I feel that way about our rookie. He could do horribly (it will be his first start), I don't know.

 

[john h]

Of course we did. FWIW - I have been and remain a Max Hall fan. I want him in there, now! There is no way he will do any worse than what we've had with DA.
This photo is a pure indictment on our o-line, not Hall!

I am a Max Hall fan but really never expect to see him as an NFL starter. My guess is will be out of the NFL within two years. He is apparently a nice young man who will be lucky not to get hurt this year if he is the starter. A really sad outcome of all this is that you can be very sure that Fitz will be gone after his contract is up which is very soon. Any all pro receiver who could go to almost any team in the NFL is not going stick around with the likes of Max Hall and Anderson. Same could be said of any of our good receivers. The unintended consequences of having no QBs with ability are a clear and present danger which will effect us for some years to come. Someone up top deserves the credit for this as it did not take a football genius to see we were in trouble at the QB position the day Kurt left and we did not sign a proven QB or backup. In the long run it is going to cost the Bidwills a lot of money when perhaps they were trying to save some money.

 

[Black Jesus]

Anyone who thinks Max Hall is the answer, will also say Skelton is the answer 5 weeks from now.

This season is a wash. Time to recognize it and either sign a veteran (Kolb, Vick, McNabb, Orton) or draft a QB (Foles, Locker, Luck, Mallet, Prior).

My preference would be to get a Michael Vick for a 3 or 4 year deal, and draft a Foles in the next draft and hope for the best.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Man watch this highlight and tell me this guys doesnt have the goods. Yes I know its against college (and many non BCS teams in fact) but look where he is placing the ball DOWN THE FIELD. Its incredible the tight windows he is getting it in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soogb0wC7LA

Cue all the realists saying this doens't matter because its college etc. I mean where is it fair to evaluate him then? Pop Warner? High School?

Even the biggest naysayers have to be impressed with many of these throws.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

If he starts I got Over/Under 2 Tds (running and/or throwing)

I think hes pushing or going over......

Do I have a willing avatar gambler?

I bet he has 1 turnover or less as well....

 

[Russ Smith]

Hall may have a chance to becoming an NFL QB but we might just destroy him by throwing him out there now. He is not going to win but we should at least not let him lose total confidence on the field. Use him here and there this year and give him a chance for success where he throws some short passes and hands off in the running game. We are going to suffer this year with Anderson or Hall but at this point I would go with Anderson. What I am concerned about is next year. We will have to sign another QB from the available free agents even if we draft a decent QB with potential. Some teams have picked up some successful QBs in free agency. Even some very good ones who do not come cheap. I wonder who the genius was that made the decision to sign Anderson? Someone had to make the final call and I suspect that person is Graves. Surely the owners would not get involved in that move unless it involved money. Perhaps Graves had a limit on the amount of money he could spend?

I somewhat agree but one of the things that the Cards LOVE about Hall is his self confidence. Whiz talked about him missing a read and not seeing the open guy in preseason. Whiz was telling him about it and Hall said ok, it happens, let's go make a big play and Whiz said he absolutely loved that response, learn from the mistake, but let's go forward.

So Hall may be better equipped than the normal rookie to handle failure.

Of course the problem this week is the 3 rookie WR's. Whoever plays QB is going to see blitzing because NO knows the young WR's might not make the right route adjustments to the blitz. That can lead to guys not being open, or to the QB throwing the ball to a spot, but the WR made the wrong read and isn't there to catch the ball.

I have no idea who Whiz starts, I'm fine either way, get Hall in there great, start DA one more game so Hall can work with Breaston and Doucet after the break that's fine too.

 

[john h]

The Cards would be insane to pass on say Andrew Luck because of Hall, but yeah if you don't play him then you go into the offseason not knowing what you have in either him or Skelton. What i saw of Skelton in the preseason he is REALLY raw, he'd look worse than Jamarcus Russell did if he had to play now.

So the Cards need to know is what we saw of Hall all through OTA's and camp for real, or just illusion.

Houston, we have a problem!

 

[Russ Smith]

I am a Max Hall fan but really never expect to see him as an NFL starter. My guess is will be out of the NFL within two years. He is apparently a nice young man who will be lucky not to get hurt this year if he is the starter. A really sad outcome of all this is that you can be very sure that Fitz will be gone after his contract is up which is very soon. Any all pro receiver who could go to almost any team in the NFL is not going stick around with the likes of Max Hall and Anderson. Same could be said of any of our good receivers. The unintended consequences of having no QBs with ability are a clear and present danger which will effect us for some years to come. Someone up top deserves the credit for this as it did not take a football genius to see we were in trouble at the QB position the day Kurt left and we did not sign a proven QB or backup. In the long run it is going to cost the Bidwills a lot of money when perhaps they were trying to save some money.

I would be surprised if he's out in2 years even if he's a total failure as a starter. Guys like Hall are loved by NFL coaches, he's extremely intelligent(3rd highest wonderlic in this years draft) he's a hard worker, very confident in himself, and he could be an ideal backup if he doesn't make it as a starter.

If guys like Detmer(ty and koy) and Rattay were able to stay around as long as they did I think Max can too, even if he doesn't turn out to be good enough to start.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I just love how people are so adamant that he WON'T be good. Not because of anything they have seen, just because of where he was drafted and the history of rookie QB's.

I mean why does it have to be so extreme. This isn't PTI. You don't need to have a stance and then just go back to it over and over again. There is no TV audience.

I cant be sure Max is going to be good but I like some of the things I have/heard seen so far.

Can't that be everyone stance? It just doesn't make sense to me why people (im looking at k9) feel the need to have a STRONG opinion on a player they have really yet to see.

As usual Pariah is the voice of reason. If your doubting your own opnions just go read his posts and copy his. He is one of the most even and level headed posters on the board.

 

[Russ Smith]

Anyone who thinks Max Hall is the answer, will also say Skelton is the answer 5 weeks from now.

This season is a wash. Time to recognize it and either sign a veteran (Kolb, Vick, McNabb, Orton) or draft a QB (Foles, Locker, Luck, Mallet, Prior).

My preference would be to get a Michael Vick for a 3 or 4 year deal, and draft a Foles in the next draft and hope for the best.

Skelton is a totally different animal though. There's no question he has the size and arm, and he's very intelligent himself. But he is nowhere near as NFL ready as Hall is, Max picked up the playbook MUCH quicker.

Remember Skelton's first action in the preseason they said he had like 10-20 plays he knew, with Hall they said he had basically picked up the offense even quicker than Anderson did. It was similar to what he'd run at BYU. One of the "he's a system QB" things that doesn't make sense. BYU changed their offense his senior year from a more vertical attack to a dink and dunk offense. The offense he ran his first 2 years was not the same, Hall said he felt it hurt him on draft day because all the film on him was from his senior year when BYU didn't throw downfield because they didn't have the WR's to throw to.

I like Foles but his issue will be how strong is his arm. Arizona's offense doesn't go vertical that much, lots of shorter passes. Everyone says Foles has a strong arm, but he doesn't get a lot of chances to prove it at UA. So the combine and workouts will be very important to him for the draft. He's plenty big enough and he's been very accurate at UA, but in the short game, people are going to need to see his arm downfield.


Skelton is certainly a more talented prospect than Hall(or Foles) but there have been a lot of tall guys with great arms who never became NFL Qb's.

If Skelton is playing this year, we won't win another game, he simply is way too raw to actually play this year.

 

[john h]

Quite the contrary. We see this all of the time. "All 32 teams passed on this guy." "This guy should have been picked in the first round." Blah blah blah.

Never once did I comment on his skill set. Actually, none of us are qualified to make guarantees on skill sets as they are not static. Good position coaches can help adjust those. As for ideal size, look at Drew Brees. How about Flutie in the past. Short QBs can succeed in the league. Therefore; dont push the dude off the cliff just yet. LEt's see what he has. IMO, he's a better option than DA

And yes, the AFL is still around. Spokane is the reining champs

Certainly short QBs can succeed but there are more successful taller QBs in the NFL than short ones. I would guess that an ideal size might be around 6'4" + or - 2". Seeing over the on coming lineman has a lot of advantages. We have a very good Heisman candidate at Arkansas who is 6'7" or 6'8". He really has a rocket arm and can throw with some touch on the long passes. Some might suggest or think he is to tall. I do not recall a real good 6'8" QB in the NFL. Will be interesting to see where he is drafted next year. He has set some SEC records already so he has played against stiff competition. Many year ago one of the NFL teams in Texas had a very good QB who was around 5'8'. The team name has changed. He was around for some years. I do not know how tall Flute is but I doubt he is 6' tall. I do not know how tall Tarkenton was but would be tacklers had a very hard time getting their hands on him. He could have been a tailback with his moves. Mobility in a QB I think is often under rated. With a guy like Vick you have to defend against him running as well as passing. In my years of watching NFL football I think the best I have seen at QB when all things are considered is Peyton Manning. He is my prototype QB.

 

[john h]

Man watch this highlight and tell me this guys doesnt have the goods. Yes I know its against college (and many non BCS teams in fact) but look where he is placing the ball DOWN THE FIELD. Its incredible the tight windows he is getting it in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soogb0wC7LA

Cue all the realists saying this doens't matter because its college etc. I mean where is it fair to evaluate him then? Pop Warner? High School?

Even the biggest naysayers have to be impressed with many of these throws.

From watching the films of Max Hall that some have posted I would have to say the guy does not have a noodle arm. He can throw and can throw on the run. He can also throw deep. Film does not lie. He may have a head problem now that he is in the NFL but does not appear to have an arm problem what so ever. I still think we should use Anderson next week and give Hall some playing time in positions where he has more of a chance of success. Not where the opponents will bring the house on every play. Anderson was an all pro once and you never know he just might have one of those days from the past. I am sure his psyche is all messed up after last weeks game as is Hall. When it is apparent we are dead then turn it over to Hall and we will know whether to keep him next year or not. We are not going to win any titles of any sort this year. We are more likely to be drafting very high. I had no confidence in Hall until I reviewed those films which clearly show the guy has the arm to play in the NFL. He may not have the ability to read defenses and adjust to the speed. Only play will determine that. We are going to have to run more and pass less I think. The coaches should design some plays for Hall where he can use the roll out as it appears he has es-capability and can pass on the run. How about a wildcat formation a couple of times or even some gadget plays. We have been to vanilla I think. Other reasons we probably need an OC.

 

[kerouac9]

Man watch this highlight and tell me this guys doesnt have the goods. Yes I know its against college (and many non BCS teams in fact) but look where he is placing the ball DOWN THE FIELD. Its incredible the tight windows he is getting it in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soogb0wC7LA

Cue all the realists saying this doens't matter because its college etc. I mean where is it fair to evaluate him then? Pop Warner? High School?

Even the biggest naysayers have to be impressed with many of these throws.

You obviously can't be balanced on this issue, but those passes aren't going to fly in the NFL. Anything outside the hashes the WRs have to come back to, and that might work against Tulsa and SDSU, but that's not going to work against the Kansas City Chiefs.

I'm glad that Max Hall could make good plays in his Mickey Mouse conference. But you could see that same highlight reel from Charlie Whitehurst, Rhett Bomar, Kevin O'Connell, Colt Brennen, etc.

Look at that moxie! Look at those windows! Look at the arm! Surely this guy will succeed in the NFL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSnMJ2Yd1mc&feature=related

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Just as a side comment, the notion that the Cards were the only team that wanted Hall is just not true. Before he signed with us he did an interview for the Deseret News and he said he had something like 6 teams wanting to sign him. He later said he signed with the Cards because it was the perfect situation, coming home, and to a team that had just lost its starting QB.

So after playing so well in preseason it's pretty easy to assume that at least one of those other 6 teams would have grabbed him if we tried to get him on the practice squad.

To me, this goes back to the notion of worrying about someone grabbing the 53rd best player on your roster. Letting your starting QB go to hold onto 2 players that (might or might not) be picked up from another team that you might not ever face. If you are that worried, keep 4 QB's and drop another player somewhere else.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again:

I want Max Hall to do well, if he's named the starter just as much as I wanted Derek Anderson to do well, and Leinart, and Warner, and McCown, etc, etc, etc...

They could have Joseph Stalin as the starting QB, and I would want him to do well for the Cardinals.

Hall may have a chance to becoming an NFL QB but we might just destroy him by throwing him out there now. He is not going to win but we should at least not let him lose total confidence on the field.

Confidence, and the ability to learn the offense, are the two things that I feel Mad Max will have no problems with. This is a kid that successfully completed his two-year Mormon mission. If he finished that off, and remained with his faith, I doubt that there's much that will shake him.

I just love how people are so adamant that he WON'T be good. Not because of anything they have seen, just because of where he was drafted and the history of rookie QB's.

My main concerns with Max are his size and his physical abilities; will he be able to make the throws that an NFL QB must make to be successful?

On a secondary note, my other concern is will Max be able to keep up with the speed of the NFL game? Will he be able to make good reads, recognize schemes, and adjust the playcalls accordingly?

These are questions that can only be answered with on the field of play.

 

[Mulli]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again:

I want Max Hall to do well, if he's named the starter just as much as I wanted Derek Anderson to do well, and Leinart, and Warner, and McCown, etc, etc, etc...

They could have Joseph Stalin as the starting QB, and I would want him to do well for the Cardinals.



Confidence, and the ability to learn the offense, are the two things that I feel Mad Max will have no problems with. This is a kid that successfully completed his two-year Mormon mission. If he finished that off, and remained with his faith, I doubt that there's much that will shake him.



My main concerns with Max are his size and his physical abilities; will he be able to make the throws that an NFL QB must make to be successful?

On a secondary note, my other concern is will Max be able to keep up with the speed of the NFL game? Will he be able to make good reads, recognize schemes, and adjust the playcalls accordingly?

These are questions that can only be answered with on the field of play.

witness

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again:

I want Max Hall to do well, if he's named the starter just as much as I wanted Derek Anderson to do well, and Leinart, and Warner, and McCown, etc, etc, etc...

They could have Joseph Stalin as the starting QB, and I would want him to do well for the Cardinals.



Confidence, and the ability to learn the offense, are the two things that I feel Mad Max will have no problems with. This is a kid that successfully completed his two-year Mormon mission. If he finished that off, and remained with his faith, I doubt that there's much that will shake him.



My main concerns with Max are his size and his physical abilities; will he be able to make the throws that an NFL QB must make to be successful?

On a secondary note, my other concern is will Max be able to keep up with the speed of the NFL game? Will he be able to make good reads, recognize schemes, and adjust the playcalls accordingly?

These are questions that can only be answered with on the field of play.

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[Duckjake]

The D can be better if the O could extend some drives and not force the D to be on the field for 70 to 80 plays per game.

And that will be done by getting the RB's 30 to 35 carries per game....

Maybe but both Atlanta and San Diego scored on their opening drives. San Diego went 89 yards.

The last 3 games looking at opponents first 4 drives of each game they have scored 8 times out of 12. The Cards only stopped Atlanta and SD once each the first four times the Falcons and Chargers had the football.

 

[Bert]

Max really needs to take advantage of being able to watch Drew Brees closely in this game. If he's going to be successful in this league as an undersized QB, Drew is the example you want to follow. Watch and learn Max!


Theres really nothing else to say at this point but;

GO MAX! and GO CARDINALS!

 

[Rats]

Max Hall will be a decent Qb if we fix the line in front of him and run the ball. You can not face as much pressure as a young Qb and be successful. We have to slow them with a running game. Hall to TH and Beanie is what I want to see. The rest will take care of itself and keep us from being blown out Sunday.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Max Hall will be a decent Qb if we fix the line in front of him and run the ball. You can not face as much pressure as a young Qb and be successful. We have to slow them with a running game. Hall to TH and Beanie is what I want to see. The rest will take care of itself and keep us from being blown out Sunday.

Max Hall can be a Jeff Garcia for us... IF, IF, IF the o-line can actually show up. I'll take a Jeff Garcia at this point.
I don't see Hall becoming a QBOF for us or any other team. But he can be the perfect bridge to a QBOF.

 

[Rats]

Max Hall can be a Jeff Garcia for us... IF, IF, IF the o-line can actually show up. I'll take a Jeff Garcia at this point.
I don't see Hall becoming a QBOF for us or any other team. But he can be the perfect bridge to a QBOF.

I can see this completly. Damn shame we have to give up a season to make this come about. We have an opportunity in a weak Division. It will most likely slide away soon after the bye week unless the OLine and Dline finally suit up a game. Hall will do much better than DA. He is what he is.

 

[Buckybird]

Max Hall will be a decent Qb if we fix the line in front of him and run the ball. You can not face as much pressure as a young Qb and be successful. We have to slow them with a running game. Hall to TH and Beanie is what I want to see. The rest will take care of itself and keep us from being blown out Sunday.

Put Hall in the best situation to excel. Don't start & continue throwing the ball all over the field. Run the ball 35+ times this game & let him grow as an NFL QB. Wiz needs to stick with a run first gameplan & not panic from the plan once we fall behind.

Young WR's, bad pass blocking Oline & a FA rookie QB sound like a run the rock gameplan to me.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Max really needs to take advantage of being able to watch Drew Brees closely in this game. If he's going to be successful in this league as an undersized QB, Drew is the example you want to follow. Watch and learn Max!


Theres really nothing else to say at this point but;

GO MAX! and GO CARDINALS!

Last thing I want is Max spending time watching Drew on Sunday afternoon.

There is plenty of tape to view at his leisure.