If we stick with our current WRs

[NFL_FAN]

Many on this board are comfortable "throwing the rookies into the fire," believing one of them will shine. I am curious if anyone can name a rookie WR on a team with a somewhat above average QB and basically all rookie WRs who put up pro-bowl or near pro-bowl numbers?

IMO, we must have a veteran WR signed in early June.

 

[arthurracoon]

As long as our WR's will not get "down" if they do not have a great season, why not.

A vet is not going to make the difference in making us a winning team - or is it?

maybe get Muhammed - we have the money.

 

[40yearfan]

Originally posted by NFL_FAN
Many on this board are comfortable "throwing the rookies into the fire," believing one of them will shine. I am curious if anyone can name a rookie WR on a team with a somewhat above average QB and basically all rookie WRs who put up pro-bowl or near pro-bowl numbers?

IMO, we must have a veteran WR signed in early June.

<p>My question is why does it have to be just one who has a great year? Why can't it be two or three who have good years and a TE that has an exceptional year?

 

[arthurracoon]

What I like abut having all these WR's is that we have no #1 WR, yet...

We have many who are capable of good seasons and at least one who will grow into the #1 spot

 

[NFL_FAN]

Re: Re: If we stick with our current WRs

Originally posted by 40yearfan
<p>My question is why does it have to be just one who has a great year? Why can't it be two or three who have good years and a TE that has an exceptional year?

I was quoting another post in another thread. I would love to see that happen but still believe we need a proven veteran go to guy.

 

[arthurracoon]

Will a vet "go-to" guy make us a winning team?

will he be "the answer" or "the difference"?

 

[NFL_FAN]

Originally posted by arthurracoon
Will a vet "go-to" guy make us a winning team?

will he be "the answer" or "the difference"?

I unfortunately don't see a winning season regardless. A proven vet would, however, provide leadership and experience as well as a number one WR. I'm not talking an average WR but someone who is a cap casualty with a history of putting up solid numbers.

 

[arthurracoon]

I'd rather see young guys get experience and have a losing season...

than having young guys get less experience and still have a losing season

Despite what i said, I would not mind getting Muhammed

 

[TXCardinalsFan]

I think Donald Driver for the Packers last year had the best rookie WR season in the last few years. He came on strong and became Farve's go to guy. Hopefully one of ours will come out strong. I read an online interview with Blake. He said that no one heard of Carl Pickens or Joe Horn before he got there. I tend to think tha we have a hidden diamond in the rough and a QB with the attitude that says he can find him. If it is a rookie, so be it. Still think that we should se if Tai Streets becomes available. Need some speed and hands to win in our division.

 

[rtjim]

Randy Moss did OK as a Rookie with a supposed to be washed up old QB

 

[Capital Card]

It's really an unfair question. I can't recall another team ever going into a season with a stable of wideouts with less experience than we currently have on our roster. Rookie WR's by nature are generally behind some sort of veterin tallent.

I have to believe that one of our young guys is going to step up for us, simply because we don't have any other options. Blake has to throw the ball to someone. All our guys have been playing long enough and shown enough tallent over their lives to know how to hold onto the ball.

God help us if one doesn't.

However, I think I would rather trade one 1200 yard/season WR for five 800 yard/season WR's.

Go Cards!!!

 

[JeffGollin]

Many on this board are comfortable "throwing the rookies into the fire
We don't have to. Our rooks would still have to beat out McAddley, Kasper and Gilmore.

However - based on latest intelligence - it looks like one of them will - Gilmore's rehab is taking longer than expected, and I'm beginning to have that nagging feeling (the same feeling I had when the docs were saying all those nice things about Wadsworth and Swann before they became Chapters 1 & 2 in "The Rehabs That Never Happened").

Hope I'm wrong, but unless we bring Muhammed to the Mountain, one of our rooks may HAVE to be thrown into the fire.
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[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by TXCardinalsFan
I think Donald Driver for the Packers last year had the best rookie WR season in the last few years. He came on strong and became Farve's go to guy. Hopefully one of ours will come out strong. I read an online interview with Blake. He said that no one heard of Carl Pickens or Joe Horn before he got there. I tend to think tha we have a hidden diamond in the rough and a QB with the attitude that says he can find him. If it is a rookie, so be it. Still think that we should se if Tai Streets becomes available. Need some speed and hands to win in our division.

Driver wasn't a rookie, and Blake isn't Favre.

I read the same article, I am thrilled to get Blake, but come on let's no go overboard regarding Carl Pickens, he was an All American at UT and often played both ways late in games(they'd put him in as a DB because he was such a great athlete.) He was a 2nd round pick( I forget the reason some arrest or something he was rated a 1st rounder most of the year).

The year BEFORE Blake got to Cincy was Pickens' 2nd year as a pro and he put up 43 catches and 6 TDs. Next year with BLake he had 71 catches and 11 TDs, but Blake only threw 14 TD passes that year and they weren't all to Pickens(Blake started like 10 games that season) so it wasn't just the arrival of Blake it was improvement from Pickens.

Carl Pickens was one of the great WR's in the NFL for a lot of years, Blake certainly helped to get him to that level but he kind of overstated it in the article as if Carl was an unknown before he got to Cincy.

But again I like guys who have that chip on their shoulder and that self confidence.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by arthurracoon
What I like abut having all these WR's is that we have no #1 WR, yet...

We have many who are capable of good seasons and at least one who will grow into the #1 spot

you say this like you know it's a given. "at least one who will grow into the #1 spot" - how do you know that's gonna happen. that's wishful thinking at best. i mean, i really hope you're right, but it's putting a lot of unhatched eggs in one basket if you ask me (not having an established NFL wr on the roster).

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by PHXSPORTS4LIFE
you say this like you know it's a given. "at least one who will grow into the #1 spot" - how do you know that's gonna happen. that's wishful thinking at best. i mean, i really hope you're right, but it's putting a lot of unhatched eggs in one basket if you ask me (not having an established NFL wr on the roster).

I agree, and hopefully we will add a vet....if not, we realistically can't expect more than 6 wins next year. I like the prospects of our young wideouts, especially Anquan Boldin (the coaching staff has already fallen in love with him) but it is too much to ask from so many young players.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I agree, and hopefully we will add a vet....if not, we realistically can't expect more than 6 wins next year. I like the prospects of our young wideouts, especially Anquan Boldin (the coaching staff has already fallen in love with him) but it is too much to ask from so many young players.

In the long run, it might be smarter not to bring in a vet, but I want to win now!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by NFL_FAN
Many on this board are comfortable "throwing the rookies into the fire," believing one of them will shine. I am curious if anyone can name a rookie WR on a team with a somewhat above average QB and basically all rookie WRs who put up pro-bowl or near pro-bowl numbers?

IMO, we must have a veteran WR signed in early June.

What is so bad about rookie WR ? Didn't Randy Moss have his best year as a rookie ? I think our WR is fine, but it would be nice to pick up a proven WR.
But just remember vets don't always improve the situation. Plus you don't need GREAT WR to be successful. Look at Tampa Bay and the Eagles they have terrible WR cores, and their supposed #1 WR are far below average.

 

[NFL_FAN]

Originally posted by JeffGollin

We don't have to. Our rooks would still have to beat out McAddley, Kasper and Gilmore.

Hope I'm wrong, but unless we bring Muhammed to the Mountain, one of our rooks may HAVE to be thrown into the fire.
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I consider those three essentially rookies.

McAddley - 2nd year player,

----------------------- GP GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 40+

TOTAL 1 NFL Season 9 8 25 362 14.5 42 1 1


Kasper - 3rd year player,

------------------------ GP GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 40+

TOTAL 2 NFL Seasons 23 8 23 264 11.5 24 3 0


Gilmore - not even listed on updated Cards roster,

----------------------- GP GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 40+

TOTAL 3 NFL Seasons 10 0 1 14 14.0 14 0 0

 

[Cheesebeef]

Re: Re: If we stick with our current WRs

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
What is so bad about rookie WR ? Didn't Randy Moss have his best year as a rookie ? I think our WR is fine, but it would be nice to pick up a proven WR.
But just remember vets don't always improve the situation. Plus you don't need GREAT WR to be successful. Look at Tampa Bay and the Eagles they have terrible WR cores, and their supposed #1 WR are far below average.

Jeez - you can't say Moss - that is such BS. The man is the exception to the rule and EVERYONE knew he was an absolute freak, but no one wanted him due to attitude problems. Do you think that Bryan Johnson has Moss type talent? Give me a break.

As far as sacrificing our young WRs at the epense of a vet like Muhammad, look, there are two things that are of ultra-importantce here - One, Rookie WR's take time to develop more than any other position in the league besides QB, and I would bet that most would benefit from watching and learning from a pro like Muhammad. I mean our guys have such little experience it's frightening to me. Next about sacrificing experience for wining games witha proven vet - look this team has to start winning games in order to believe in itself. You have to build - sadly with our recieving corps, which I believe is the worst I have ever seen on the Cardinals (and that's saying soemthing) - Jeff Blake is going to have to be a miracle worker for this offense to move. It's too much pressure to put on kids who don't even really know the NFL game yet. But, the offense could and would be compettive in my eyes if we had a Muhammad on the squad -the guy has worked with bad QBs for years, and when healthy put up pretty good numbers. Then hopefully one of our guys could step up to become a decent 2nd WR to go with a better than average TE, who should actually see the ball this year, to go along with, if all of the above come true, a pretty solid rushing attack. That will win us some ball games. That will give this team confidence heading into the next season and THAT is what will eventually make this team a winner.

Continual losing isn't just grating on us guys - I mean come on, we're just fans - for the players, it's their lives. Gotta be able to bring up young talent and win some ball games.

 

[SECTION 11]

Are we going to out do say, Philly for MM?

Doesn't look good.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Are we going to out do say, Philly for MM?

Doesn't look good.

If you were Muhammad - where would you go? Although, does Philly still play on that awful turf? I know the guy has had injury bugs, so that might be in our favor.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
If you were Muhammad - where would you go? Although, does Philly still play on that awful turf? I know the guy has had injury bugs, so that might be in our favor.

They break in the Linc on Monday night this season. I think they have Field Turf also?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
They break in the Linc on Monday night this season. I think they have Field Turf also?

oh yeah - well if they go fater him, IMO opinion he's as good as theirs.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
oh yeah - well if they go fater him, IMO opinion he's as good as theirs.

Probably. They still have a bunch of cap space as well.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Re: Re: If we stick with our current WRs

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
What is so bad about rookie WR ? Didn't Randy Moss have his best year as a rookie ? I think our WR is fine, but it would be nice to pick up a proven WR.
But just remember vets don't always improve the situation. Plus you don't need GREAT WR to be successful. Look at Tampa Bay and the Eagles they have terrible WR cores, and their supposed #1 WR are far below average.

first of all, moss' rookie year was an anamoly (sp?). check out other rookie seasons, an even good one is rare.

second, TB's wrs are good. keyshawn is an excellent wr. he might not be worth the #1 selection or 2 first rounders, but he's certainly a valid #1. our wrs come nowhere close to approaching him right now.