If you thought you were excited about Shaq before....

[nashman]

Career PPG
Marbury - 19.7 ppg
Nash - 14.2 ppg

Playoff PPG
Marbury - 19.4 ppg
Nash - 17.3 ppg

Marbury is a better offensive player than Nash.

Now your just being dumb, take that nonsense somewhere else.

 

[ambchang_]

ambchang is grossly misunderestimating Amare's dominance.

what dominance? Leading his team to a 44-38 record with Marbury and Marion in his rookie year, then a 29-53 record in his second year with improved offensive numbers? Or his team suffering a whopping 8 game setback when he was lost for the season? How about the incredible 7 game improvement the Suns got when he returned from injury?

Dominance indeed.

 

[ambchang_]

Now your just being dumb, take that nonsense somewhere else.

That was YOUR argument.

EDIT:
Sorry, I am terribly sorry, it wasn't your argument, it was somebody else's. I apologize for actually thinking that you actually came up with an original argument for a change, and I apologize profusely about mixing you up with the victim of mistaken identity.

Arizona's Finest, I meant no disrespect when I mixed up your arguments with a poster who never had an original thought. For the record, I actually respect your arguments and I think you make good points, unlike those who just like to tact on to somebody else's arguments.

 

[nashman]

No need to argue with a clueless poster. Enough said.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

It would actually be shocking evidence if I haven't heard all those arguments before.

Boozer is better around the rim, is a very good jump shooter, and a better passer.

Dirk has a better jump shot, much better passer, much better on the dribble.

Melo is a better shooter, passer (even though he is a black hole), creates better off the dribble.

Bosh is way better off the dribble, have more moves to create around the basket.

Butler is a better passer, better off the dribble, better creator on offense.

And thanks for throwing the "I know you didn't watch the game" card, I was waiting for that. Please tell me more of things I don't know about myself, oh mighty omnipotent poster.

Thats fine we can agree to disagree.

But your definitely in the minority here. I question why you visit if your alliegience lies else where?

More likely I think it is you think you know basketball and what constitutes a good team or good player, when really you just don't.

BTW saying you have heard all those arguments before and then just ignoring them and then STATING your opinion isn't really logical discourse.

But again I may be expecting too much.

 

[nowagimp]

Career PPG
Marbury - 19.7 ppg
Nash - 14.2 ppg

Playoff PPG
Marbury - 19.4 ppg
Nash - 17.3 ppg

Marbury is a better offensive player than Nash.

This would be true if they were 2 guards, but your myopic view has failed to uncover the function of a PG. And you conviently forgot to state the FG%. If marbury needed 20 shots to get his 20 points, his team probably lost in the playoffs, partly because of his poor shot selection. Ambchang, you are the emperor and right now you need some clothes.

 

[ambchang_]

Thats fine we can agree to disagree.

But your definitely in the minority here. I question why you visit if your alliegience lies else where?

More likely I think it is you think you know basketball and what constitutes a good team or good player, when really you just don't.

BTW saying you have heard all those arguments before and then just ignoring them and then STATING your opinion isn't really logical discourse.

But again I may be expecting too much.

Ironically, you just chose exactly the same course with my arguments. I chose to disagree with your original arguments, you chose to do with mine, we will just have to disagree.

I am definitely in a minority, as I do think that being in a Suns board would subject me to Suns fans who have a higher regard for Suns players than others, it hardly comes as a surprise.

Given a choice to start a team with Stoudemire, Boozer, Butler, Anthony, Butler, Dirk, Duncan, and Bosh, all in their primes, Stoudemire would probably rank somewhere in the lower half.

 

[Louis]

Career PPG
Marbury - 19.7 ppg
Nash - 14.2 ppg

Playoff PPG
Marbury - 19.4 ppg
Nash - 17.3 ppg

Marbury is a better offensive player than Nash.

Seriously?

Offense is more than scoring. Offense is also about making the players around you better offensively. Something Nash has done quite regularly and this Suns squad.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Ironically, you just chose exactly the same course with my arguments. I chose to disagree with your original arguments, you chose to do with mine, we will just have to disagree.

I am definitely in a minority, as I do think that being in a Suns board would subject me to Suns fans who have a higher regard for Suns players than others, it hardly comes as a surprise.

Given a choice to start a team with Stoudemire, Boozer, Butler, Anthony, Butler, Dirk, Duncan, and Bosh, all in their primes, Stoudemire would probably rank somewhere in the lower half.

Well when you finally get that NBA GM job please forward all trade proposals too:

Steve Kerr
C/O Phoenix Suns
201 E Jefferson Street
Phoenix, AZ 85004

 

[Covert Rain]

Given a choice to start a team with Stoudemire, Boozer, Butler, Anthony, Butler, Dirk, Duncan, and Bosh, all in their primes, Stoudemire would probably rank somewhere in the lower half.

Spoken like a true Spurs fan posting on a Suns fan site.

 

[ambchang_]

This would be true if they were 2 guards, but your myopic view has failed to uncover the function of a PG. And you conviently forgot to state the FG%. If marbury needed 20 shots to get his 20 points, his team probably lost in the playoffs, partly because of his poor shot selection. Ambchang, you are the emperor and right now you need some clothes.

I just used your arguments on you and showed how ludicrous it is to draw final conclusions of the offensive ability of a player based purely on statisitcs.

 

[slinslin]

Given a choice to start a team with Stoudemire, Boozer, Butler, Anthony, Butler, Dirk, Duncan, and Bosh, all in their primes, Stoudemire would probably rank somewhere in the lower half.

You can't be serious. Btw what is your plan? Being a rdiculous board annoyance since we traded Shaq because you are..

a) a Shaq hater?
b) some fan of another team who is worried about us now?

 

[slinslin]

what dominance? Leading his team to a 44-38 record with Marbury and Marion in his rookie year, then a 29-53 record in his second year with improved offensive numbers? Or his team suffering a whopping 8 game setback when he was lost for the season? How about the incredible 7 game improvement the Suns got when he returned from injury?

Dominance indeed.

LOL

He was a 2nd year player out of highschool , missed significant time that year, Marbury was traded for nothing and Leandro Barbosa as a rookie who couldn't even speak english was starting at PG.

Career PPG
Marbury - 19.7 ppg
Nash - 14.2 ppg

Playoff PPG
Marbury - 19.4 ppg 36.5%FG 43mpg
Nash - 17.3 ppg 46.8%FG 36mpg

Marbury is a better offensive player than Nash.

Your posts are worthless, you haven't even brought 1 valid argument to support your opinion while you have been shown about at least 10 stats that clearly show otherwise.

 

[nowagimp]

I just used your arguments on you and showed how ludicrous it is to draw final conclusions of the offensive ability of a player based purely on statisitcs.

ADD or what? Didnt see the scoring efficiency FG%(my argument long ago in this thread). I know you cant answer it because Nash is way better there. I dont expect a thoughtful answer as you are having quite a time from others flaming you for your silly statements.

 

[ambchang_]

LOL

He was a 2nd year player out of highschool , missed significant time that year, Marbury was traded for nothing and Leandro Barbosa as a rookie who couldn't even speak english was starting at PG.

He played 55 games that year, and in the games he played, the Suns won 22 games, which projects to a 34 win season. Fantastic!

Your posts are worthless, you haven't even brought 1 valid argument to support your opinion while you have been shown about at least 10 stats that clearly show otherwise.

Continue to ignore Stoudemire's atrocious AST/TO ratio, or the fact that he plays with the best offensive PG in the league right now, or the fact that he plays in one of the two fastest paced teams in the league that magnifies his amazing abilities to finish.

 

[ambchang_]

ADD or what? Didnt see the scoring efficiency FG%(my argument long ago in this thread). I know you cant answer it because Nash is way better there. I dont expect a thoughtful answer as you are having quite a time from others flaming you for your silly statements.

Sure, you want FG% and PPG?

Kobe Bryant - 24.8 on 45.3%
Nique - 24.8 on 46.1%

As great an offensive player as Nique is, I would never say that he is better than Kobe on offense.

Adrian Dantley - 24.3 on 54%
Charles Barkley - 22.1 on 54%

Again, as much as I love Dantley, he is NOT as good as Barkley on offense.

Dan Issel - 22.6 on 50%
Kevin Garnett - 20.5 on 49%

Tiny Archibald - 18.6 on 46.7%
Jeff Malone - 19 on 48.4%

Scottie Pippen - 16.1 ppg on 47.3%
Jamaal Wilkes - 17.7 on 50%

 

[ambchang_]

Back to Nash, he has a career 14.8 ppg on 48.5 %
Tony Parker is 15.9 on 48.6%, you are not going to tell me Parker is a better offensive player than Nash, right?

 

[slinslin]

3pt%, FT% there you go and when you look at their whole career, Nash never was as good as he is now in his Dallas days so once again you make up some irrellevant statistics.

 

[nowagimp]

Sure, you want FG% and PPG?

Kobe Bryant - 24.8 on 45.3%
Nique - 24.8 on 46.1%

As great an offensive player as Nique is, I would never say that he is better than Kobe on offense.

Adrian Dantley - 24.3 on 54%
Charles Barkley - 22.1 on 54%

Again, as much as I love Dantley, he is NOT as good as Barkley on offense.

Dan Issel - 22.6 on 50%
Kevin Garnett - 20.5 on 49%

Tiny Archibald - 18.6 on 46.7%
Jeff Malone - 19 on 48.4%

Scottie Pippen - 16.1 ppg on 47.3%
Jamaal Wilkes - 17.7 on 50%

Comparing players from different eras doesnt work since they didnt even play against the same teams, or defenders. Comparing PG stats with SG stats is a loser as well. Hopefully your big brother can help you there if you dont understand.

 

[French Fries]

Back to Nash, he has a career 14.8 ppg on 48.5 %
Tony Parker is 15.9 on 48.6%, you are not going to tell me Parker is a better offensive player than Nash, right?

is parker a better offensive player? yes. could he take the suns to a higher level than nash has, probably not. he would get his numbers, hell yeah, but more wins i don't think so...

i'm not really making any point, i'm just padding post counts to get to 100...

 

[French Fries]

3pt%, FT% there you go and when you look at their whole career, Nash never was as good as he is now in his Dallas days so once again you make up some irrellevant statistics.

i really think he's as good as he was in dallas, but in phoenix his skills were amplified having more reliable teammates...

not much of a point here, just padding post counts...

 

[JCSunsfan]

is parker a better offensive player? yes. could he take the suns to a higher level than nash has, probably not. he would get his numbers, hell yeah, but more wins i don't think so...

i'm not really making any point, i'm just padding post counts to get to 100...

Nash was a two-time MVP based upon his OFFENSE--it certainly wasn't his defense. Has there EVER been any discussion about Parker as an MVP?

Offense includes all forms of offensive production.

 

[French Fries]

Nash was a two-time MVP based upon his OFFENSE--it certainly wasn't his defense. Has there EVER been any discussion about Parker as an MVP?

Offense includes all forms of offensive production.

k, i'll change it, better scorer...

 

[nashman]

Nash > Parker - Not even really close if Nash shot the number of shots Parker does the stats wouldn't be that close. Nash is one of the best shooters in the league, Parker is not.

 

[joshstmarie]

is parker a better offensive player? yes.