Impact from the Manning Rumors

[Chris_Sanders]

Now back on topic:

If the Cardinals are willing to actively pursue Manning should he be released after they invested so heavily in Kolb, they probably don't have a lot of confidence in his ability to be a long term QB solution.

Why even pay him the bonus then? Just admit your mistake and move on.

 

[Shane]

BTW: Jurecki is reporting on Fox 10 sports tonight that the Cardinals are on Peyton's "short list".

A team with serious QB issues on his short list? Go figure.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Urban acknowledged the Shefter tweet, but that is about it

As a member of the organization -- I suspect Urban is probably under orders not to speculate about players under contract given tampering rules.

You have to look more than just today. Again it isn't my responsibility to tally all this crap for one guy who is basically just disrupting conversations about anything on this topic for whatever reason.

If you don't want to talk about it, then don't go on the thread where people are talking about it. Pretty simple.

 

[Shane]

You have to look more than just today. Again it isn't my responsibility to tally all this crap for one guy who is basically just disrupting conversations about anything on this topic for whatever reason.

If you don't want to talk about it, then don't go on the thread where people are talking about it. Pretty simple.

I do want to talk about it to refute your idea that there is any real smoke. Like you so claim!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It's Janurary.
Let's talk again in March.

Again, this isn't about Peyton Manning becoming a Cardinal.

I couldn't be more clear about that.

Let me be more clear about the questions:

If the Cardinals would be willing to replace Kolb with a potential free agent, should they keep him at all?

If the interest is valid, what does that do to Kolb's confidence, in light of all the other challenges he will face.

Does this make it even more likely that Skelton has a real chance at winning the job?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I do want to talk about it to refute your idea that there is any real smoke. Like you so claim!

Great, your opinion is noted. Thanks for stopping by.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I do want to talk about it to refute your idea that there is any real smoke. Like you so claim!

From a speculation standpoint..... The Cardinals are on fire.

Will the Colts let him go? That is another subject entirely.

As to the OP's question? I think the Cards know what Kolb is now that they got a good look at him this year. A mediocre QB with a brittle mind and body.

He is the best we have right now. But that still means he is a bottom 12 QB in the league.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Think I'll see what Papa Fitzgerald and Bro Marcus are tweeting. That would pour a little gas on this, lol.

 

[Shane]

Great, your opinion is noted. Thanks for stopping by.

Not going anywhere sir. Your internet being short trying to ignore all points routine wont work with me. Known you to long and to well.

When you start off a thread with this: "In my opinion, there is just too much smoke right now about the Cardinals interest in Peyton Manning for it not to be coming from the organization. It was the same thing last off season when rumors started coming out early about acquiring Kolb."

It very clearly is a discussion point or maybe you shouldn't put it in there. Maybe you shouldn't make claims later on in the discussion that Urban has confirmed that the Cards have interest when it clearly isnt true etc??? Just saying!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

My opinions:

If the Cardinals would be willing to replace Kolb with a potential free agent, should they keep him at all?

No. If you aren't confident he can be your QB of the future, you are less likely to go through the potential ups and downs in a season.

If the interest is valid, what does that do to Kolb's confidence, in light of all the other challenges he will face.

I imagine all of this sucks pretty bad for Kolb. Fitz's family keeps babbling about "Manning to Fitz". Media is pushing this fairly heavily, even while games are going on. If Manning does actually get cut, watch out.

Further a large portion of the fan base would rather Skelton start over you. Who knows what the team thinks.

Not the kind of work environment I would want.

Does this make it even more likely that Skelton has a real chance at winning the job?

Again, if it is truly coming from the organization as I suspect, then it has to. The Cardinals clearly would like to upgrade over the QB they invested a fortune in. It means that investment doesn't mean as much as I thought it did. That favors an even playing field.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Think I'll see what Papa Fitzgerald and Bro Marcus are tweeting. That would pour a little gas on this, lol.

Marcus certainly isn't shy about tossing gas on the fire.

 

[Dayman]

Cardschatter Darren Urban

Has to be cut 1st. If he can play, gotta look RT @dglass1119: @Cardschatter @mikejurecki @kentsomers Logic in picking up Manning? How work?

Cardschatter Darren Urban @

@BAKamper don't know I ever said no way. Said I didn't think it'd matter because I didn't think he'd be healthy if cut.

23 hours ago

As for the original question, I think Kolb will be around barring a Manning-like addition, but the FO has to be worried about his long-term health. Somers said as much on Twitter yesterday. It took him a month to recover from his last concussion. The next one could put him in a Jahvid Best-type scenario. He could still very well go on to play a healthy career, but I think there are enough doubts to set him free if a significant upgrade comes along.

Edit: Here's the quote from Somers

kentsomers Kent Somers @

@PhxDevil00 yes, I would say there are concerns about Kolb's concussions. That knee to the head looked pretty hard to me.

21 Jan

 

[Chris_Sanders]

]Maybe you shouldn't make claims later on in the discussion that Urban has confirmed that the Cards have interest when it clearly isnt true etc??? Just saying!

This is seriously my last post with you. I told you to do your own research but you are either too lazy or obstenate to do so.

This is one of several comments from this last week:

@Cardschatter
Darren Urban
Has to be cut 1st. If he can play, gotta look RT @dglass1119: @Cardschatter @mikejurecki @kentsomers Logic in picking up Manning? How work?

I even amended and clarified that the discussion was "If this is coming from the organization, then what"?

Instead you insist on just arguing. I will pass on that.

 

[GatorAZ]

FYI Urban is not an insider. He never breaks news unless a player isn't playing that week. He works for the Cardinals. He reports stuff that happens at practice. Blogger extraordinaire.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

FYI Urban is not an insider. He never breaks news unless a player isn't playing that week. He works for the Cardinals. He reports stuff that happens at practice. Blogger extraordinaire.

He kind of clarified his role a week or two ago. He is basically the team paid mouthpiece. Fan relations reporter.

 

[Shane]

This is seriously my last post with you. I told you to do your own research but you are either too lazy or obstenate to do so.

This is one of several comments from this last week:



I even amended and clarified that the discussion was "If this is coming from the organization, then what"?

Instead you insist on just arguing. I will pass on that.

Not that you need to be told but we are here to debate are we not? I dont agree there is smoke. you dont appreciate that I dont agree. More power to you.

Not lazy at all I read what Urban wrote and I am reading what you quoted. But that says nothing of the sort that the Cards have interest or even implies it. Just his opinion that if Manning is healthy you have to look into it. Nothing more or less FYI. Thanks for the chat!

 

[40yearfan]

FYI Urban is not an insider. He never breaks news unless a player isn't playing that week. He works for the Cardinals. He reports stuff that happens at practice. Blogger extraordinaire.

He's more of an insider than Jurecki ever was.

 

[AzCards21]

Anytime your QB goes 1-7 and is injured for half the season and the backup goes 7-1 and is a lot tougher there's going to be smoke.

The Cards SHOULD be interested in Manning. Not like they can afford to bet the farm on Kolb.

 

[GatorAZ]

He's more of an insider than Jurecki ever was.

Jurecki is the best insider the Cards have. Well there's only 2 but he's much better than Somers. Although Somers is a great beat writer. Never understood the Jurecki hate. He was pretty tough on them last year and some of the homers got very sensitive.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

A team with serious QB issues on his short list? Go figure.

LOL that wad complete and utter sarcasm. I actually went back and forth with Urban today and he said you have to " kick the tires" on Manning which is BIG change from last week.

Shane wake up bro. It doesnt mean it's going to happen but denying the smoke out there is just silly at this point. First Casserly, then Mort, and now Schefter. You don't need link, just keep up on Twitter.

This stuff isn't being pulled from thin air. At very least Manning camp is defining the market.

You can be damn sure this is ongoing conversation in Tempe and the timing actually works in Cards favor. The smoke part and cardinals being interested is old news at this point. Now it's a) is he healthy? And b) are we going to get him?

So to answer Chris question. I think this has very little to do with Kolb other then he was injured and played below average all year. But under normal circumstances Cards would keep him for 2012. But this is Peyton freaking Manning and him coming available potentially is game changer.

Peyton > Kolb obviously. Just that simple.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Yup in fact he told the other tweeter that it was the first he heard of it.

This is the sarcastic quote. He was joking because hes been bombarded all day.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Sorry, but most need to realize that if any team could have Peyton freaking Manning and he was physically cleared to play...not many QBs on a majority of teams would feel safe if he hit the open market. Kolb is just one on a long list which Manning is better. It does not even mean the Cardinals do not have some confidence in Kolb...IT IS PEYTON MANNING!

 

[52brandon]

Anytime your QB goes 1-7 and is injured for half the season and the backup goes 7-1 and is a lot tougher there's going to be smoke.

The Cards SHOULD be interested in Manning. Not like they can afford to bet the farm on Kolb.

agreed


another possible effect this could have is adding pressure on Kolb to want to restructure his obviously currently disproportionately high contract. He wouldn't get that kind of contract anywhere if he is cut, so he may try to stay for less

 

[Chris_Sanders]

agreed


another possible effect this could have is adding pressure on Kolb to want to restructure his obviously currently disproportionately high contract. He wouldn't get that kind of contract anywhere if he is cut, so he may try to stay for less

If Kolb would restructure, I would be all for him staying. My fear is that we have another year where Kolb can't stay on the field, Skelton does all the work, and then thinks that Kolb's contract is where he should be.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Sounds like a bunch of made up crap from Schefter to me just to get a rise. Which with you it seems to be working

"In my opinion, there is just too much smoke right now about the Cardinals interest in Peyton Manning for it not to be coming from the organization."

Above a pretty bold predictionand start of thread for just meanintg this: It was "What does all of this chatter mean for Kolb's future?"

just to get a rise? Because you think Adam Schefter sits around and says...." You know, let's get Cards fans excited today. I'm going to throw out a completely baseless rumor to one of the smallest fan bases in the NFL just for S and G"

Probably not. BTW doesn't logic dictate the Cards would be interested even just a little? Especially after what happened with Warmer amd with maybe the best recruiter in the NFL playing WR for us?Why are there so many Cards fans who are so adamant and even angry this is being discussed is hilarious to me.

It IS possible. It might not happen but it's going to be a conversation and all signs point to Cardinals being interested. In fact I have been following and we have been mentioned as Manning suitor more the any other team by multiple sources. THATS smoke.

dreaming is free Shaner!