Impact from the Manning Rumors

[red desert]

Then I am a moron.

Rather be in that party, then the blindmen who seem to think Kolb is so much better than Skelton and want to invest time, and money into developing a 27 year old 5 year vet that was signed to be a starter, than a 23 year old player at a 10th of the cost with the same amount of upside.

I guess all Skelton did was win, the bastard. We don't need wins. We need a QB that looks good! Maybe if we get Skelton a cool towel to hang outside his pants, and nice half sleave under armor. Oh, and have Andy Reid say he is a great QB while he picks our pockets, that will do it!

But to each his own stupidity.

I'm with you on this one. Kolb does throw a nice ball, but his frail physique and happy feet worry me to no end. Skelton is tough both mentally and physically. And he's got enough other qb skills to make him my choice.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

FWIW:

If Chris is still lurking about on this thread, I don't think that Kolb getting somewhere in the ballpark of $11 million in salary and bonus in 2012 is that big a deal if Skelton wins the starting job in camp or takes the starting job during the year. Why? Because $10 million a year is about the going rate for a starting quarterback in the NFL these days. We'll know whether John Skelton is Tavaris Jackson or Matt Hasselback by the time his contract comes around.

No one associated with the team would ever say it, but the Cards have to be disappointed with Kevin Kolb's performance this season. They paid a lot to get him (what both teams considered more than a 1st and 3rd round draft pick at the time), and they got 8 totally forgettable starts and very few recognizable strengths to build from, plus a long-term concern the next time he gets bumped on the noggin. On the other side is a Hall of Fame QB in Peyton Manning who has some health questions surrounding him. Sounds a lot like Kurt Warner, and that narrative is going to drive the story.

There are 8 or 10 days between when the Colts have to make a decision on Manning and when the Cards have to make a decision on Kolb. There'll be a lot of strum and drang before that date in early March. TJ has been wrong about Kevin Kolb from jump street, but he is right about this: if Kolb is going to get rattled because the Cards have interest in Peyton Manning, he really is the disaster that some predicted him to be.

Thanks for responding and staying on topic

I agree that the Cardinals have to be disappointed for the money. That is where I wonder if they should just be done with it or pay it out for another year.

 

[Azlen]

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I said clearly that if that time comes and Manning is released Im sure they will have SOME interest. But to say there are any extra legs to the story or some mighty smoke in the wind between the Cards and manning a this point IMO is laughable.

Whether it is laughable or not probably depends on how you define smoke, legs or whatever else. I think all that has happened so far is that someone from the Cards said that they would be interested in Manning if he were a healthy free agent. I don't think there is anything laughable about that. The Cards are weak at QB and if a free agent of Manning's stature became available it would be negligent of them not to make inquiries. Interest may come to a screeching halt when the price tag is discussed but that doesn't mean there isn't any interest now.

I do not think that there have been any back channel discussions with the Cardinals and Manning's reps. I don't see the Cards front office being ones that would be involved in tampering in any way. They take forever talking with their own free agents, so I don't see them talking to anyone else's before they are able to.

I do think it's highly likely that the Colts will release Manning. There are four or five teams rumored to be interested if he became available. There are probably a few more that aren't on any list as of yet. The Cards are one of the teams currently on that list. Nothing comedic about that.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

To clarify, what I said was the following:

Urban has basically confirmed this on twitter

Which means "he has talked about it frequently enough and said they have to be interested if becomes available" that you can take that for a pretty strong confirmation from a team employee.

But rather than just move on, someone continues to belabor the point and focus on wording instead of context.

Which, of course, is the very definition of being arguementative.

 

[Dr. Jones]

The only benefit that a team would have in regards to Manning's price tag is that the teams probably won't know if he is heathly or not, which is what makes it such a big risk. I have to think that Manning will command about 12 million a year in the form of a 3 year deal with some sort of injury provision included.

What is poetic is that Skelton is the reason that the Cardinals would take this risk in my opinion, and would be the reason that Kolb would lose his job. Skelton provides a capable Qb behind Manning that is also cheap. While Skelton might not beat out Kolb for the starting spot in an open competition, the gap is small enough that the Cards have to feel that they could afford the risk of cutting Kolb to take a shot at Manning if he becomes available.

I agree with Cheese on this.... The amount of demand for him will equal a big pricetag. Especially since we are already naming teams in NY and Miami.

I think 3 years.... 60 million, with 20 or 30 guaranteed will be where his deal falls. Of course an injury clause would be prudent with a deal of that size.

If we dont pony up.....Someone else will.

 

[slinslin]

If Peyton becomes available you have to make him the priority even if you do not cut Kolb.

Draft offensive line, sign Peyton, trade Kolb, sign a #2 WR and re-sign CC = Perfect offseason.

 

[chickenhead]

If Manning is available, I think you have to take that risk. He has health concerns, yes. But if the organization is comfortable after the necessary due diligence, I don't see how any team should be scared off that would otherwise be interested in drafting a QB needing development.

We'd also be getting an OC out of the deal. Ok, I joke, but seriously, who better to step into a complicated offensive scheme and be able to audible when necessary?

Anyway, considering the last two years under center in Cardinal-land, the surprising story would be that the Cards aren't interested in Manning. Frankly, that would be cause for concern...

 

[Duckjake]

I agree with Cheese on this.... The amount of demand for him will equal a big pricetag. Especially since we are already naming teams in NY and Miami.

I think 3 years.... 60 million, with 20 or 30 guaranteed will be where his deal falls. Of course an injury clause would be prudent with a deal of that size.

If we dont pony up.....Someone else will.

No kidding. Until the owners forced themselves to be reasonably sane with rookie contracts the Rams gave Bradford what, $50 million guaranteed?

There will be some NFL team willing to give Peyton Albert Pujols money.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not so sure about that. There is some risk associated with this on whomever signs him. Hes also 36. Keep in mind Warner got what, 10 or 11 million when he was a FA and went to visit SF?

time will tell, but i think you're wrong on this. Warner was an incredible story, but Peyton, even with injuries, is a global icon.

 

[52brandon]

time will tell, but i think you're wrong on this. Warner was an incredible story, but Peyton, even with injuries, is a global icon.

but that was with Warner just coming off a season that ended in the superbowl and no injuries. Peyton is coming off of what could still be a career ending neck surgery. Don't get me wrong, if Peyton is healthy, he'd make an immediate positive impact on this team (understatement). But his durability would still be a huge concern, especially when the "T" in the LT and RT positions on this line stands for turnstyle

 

[Cards_Campos]

Here is the problem. And I am not going against or for the OP's thread. I think there is some major legs with the us and Manning. The major problem though and why I am holding back woo hoo's and yes sir's, is that if Indy releases him odds are he is not healthy and probably won't play. Because if the doctor's give him a clean bill of health...No way Indianapolis releases him. I can't see Indy living with the backlash if Peyton Manning came to Arizona and took us say to the NFC championship or Super Bowl. I think we should cut our ties with Kolb no matter what though. I think the concussion issues are troubling. Just look at Sydney Crosby.

 

[52brandon]

Here is the problem. And I am not going against or for the OP's thread. I think there is some major legs with the us and Manning. The major problem though and why I am holding back woo hoo's and yes sir's, is that if Indy releases him odds are he is not healthy and probably won't play. Because if the doctor's give him a clean bill of health...No way Indianapolis releases him. I can't see Indy living with the backlash if Peyton Manning came to Arizona and took us say to the NFC championship or Super Bowl. I think we should cut our ties with Kolb no matter what though. I think the concussion issues are troubling. Just look at Sydney Crosby.

you think? His contract is huge and they're almost guaranteed to draft Luck. There's a lot of money that could go elsewhere

 

[Cards_Campos]

you think? His contract is huge and they're almost guaranteed to draft Luck. There's a lot of money that could go elsewhere

Well it wasn't like Manning's numbers dropped. He had a pretty decent 2010 year. So if he is cleared to play, there is no reason not to think his numbers will be atleast very good. I mean if he came here and played as well as Warner we will be on cloud nine. Manning threw for 4700 yards and 33 TD's and 17 int's. I think that would take us to probably to a 11-5 to 12-4 record.

 

[52brandon]

Well it wasn't like Manning's numbers dropped. He had a pretty decent 2010 year. So if he is cleared to play, there is no reason not to think his numbers will be atleast very good. I mean if he came here and played as well as Warner we will be on cloud nine. Manning threw for 4700 yards and 33 TD's and 17 int's. I think that would take us to probably to a 11-5 to 12-4 record.

completely agreed. But even if he's cleared, he's still old (I believe the oldest except maybe Hasselbeck) and now has a history of neck problems. Luck would be the future and is supposed to be the most NFL ready QB since... well I think Peyton. At least with him coming here, they wouldn't have to worry about it potentially hurting them in the playoffs outside the Superbowl. It makes perfect sense for everybody involved IMO

 

[Cheesebeef]

but that was with Warner just coming off a season that ended in the superbowl and no injuries.

right... it was coming after A season and really Kurt's first full season as starter in 8 years, plus his age. Peyton, if healthy, has an entire career behind him, whereas Warner had that one year where he proved he could be an impact maker again. Warner also wasn't looking to play much longer, whereas if Peyton comes back, you know he's going to want to play longer.

just saying, if Peyton clears his bill of health, someone's gonna pay him a lot more than 3 years 40 million.

 

[52brandon]

right... it was coming after A season and really Kurt's first full season as starter in 8 years, plus his age. Peyton, if healthy, has an entire career behind him, whereas Warner had that one year where he proved he could be an impact maker again. Warner also wasn't looking to play much longer, whereas if Peyton comes back, you know he's going to want to play longer.

just saying, if Peyton clears his bill of health, someone's gonna pay him a lot more than 3 years 40 million.

maybe. If it's largely incentive based, I could see the Cards doing that. Otherwise, nope. There's not a lot of teams looking to replace their QBs though either. And although, Peyton Manning is better than roughly 30 QBs taking snaps in the league, I don't know that most FOs would be willing to rock the boat so much on who is approaching the end of his career after a full season recovering from neck surgery

obviously all speculation, but that's my take on the scenario

 

[Cheesebeef]

maybe. If it's largely incentive based, I could see the Cards doing that. Otherwise, nope. There's not a lot of teams looking to replace their QBs though either. And although, Peyton Manning is better than roughly 30 QBs taking snaps in the league, I don't know that most FOs would be willing to rock the boat so much on who is approaching the end of his career after a full season recovering from neck surgery

obviously all speculation, but that's my take on the scenario

i could see Jerry Jones throwing the moon at him if he's deemed healthy. he already said today that the difference between the Cowboys and Giants was Eli Manning. Hardly a ringing endorsement of his QB.

Miami will throw a truckload of money at him, could see the Jets doing that also. That's three big suitors right there, two of which make big, splashy, risky and costly moves every year.

 

[52brandon]

i could see Jerry Jones throwing the moon at him if he's deemed healthy. he already said today that the difference between the Cowboys and Giants was Eli Manning. Hardly a ringing endorsement of his QB.

Miami will throw a truckload of money at him, could see the Jets doing that also. That's three big suitors right there, two of which make big, splashy, risky and costly moves every year.

****, the Cowboys are a great point, Romo is quickly becoming hated by the fan base there. I dont think he goes to NYJ, Miami is one that I thought about, but the Cards are a much more appealing team given his situation IMO

 

[desertdawg]

If Peyton becomes available you have to make him the priority even if you do not cut Kolb.

Draft offensive line, sign Peyton, trade Kolb, sign a #2 WR and re-sign CC = Perfect offseason.

Maybe we can trade Gortat for Manning?

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Maybe we can trade Sarver for Manning?

FTFY

 

[desertdawg]

FTFY

even better

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Here is the problem. And I am not going against or for the OP's thread. I think there is some major legs with the us and Manning. The major problem though and why I am holding back woo hoo's and yes sir's, is that if Indy releases him odds are he is not healthy and probably won't play. Because if the doctor's give him a clean bill of health...No way Indianapolis releases him. I can't see Indy living with the backlash if Peyton Manning came to Arizona and took us say to the NFC championship or Super Bowl. I think we should cut our ties with Kolb no matter what though. I think the concussion issues are troubling. Just look at Sydney Crosby.

I think the Colts history shows they don't worry too much about fans' backlash.

 

[Duckjake]

I think the Colts history shows they don't worry too much about fans' backlash.

I wouldn't imagine they have to considering they'd won ten games or more nine years in a row going into last season. Of course they probably have fans who complain about not winning the SB every year.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

maybe. If it's largely incentive based, I could see the Cards doing that. Otherwise, nope. There's not a lot of teams looking to replace their QBs though either. And although, Peyton Manning is better than roughly 30 QBs taking snaps in the league, I don't know that most FOs would be willing to rock the boat so much on who is approaching the end of his career after a full season recovering from neck surgery

obviously all speculation, but that's my take on the scenario

Yeah this why Dallas makes no sense to me. Romo had a good year last year. If PM does go there I woul take Romo in a second.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I think the Colts history shows they don't worry too much about fans' backlash.

As seen with the PM article from Florio, the spinning from both camps will start now and culminate in his release March 8th.

You don't pay 28 million to appease a fan base.

People aren't looking at this from the Luck camp either. Dude deserves to start from Day One and no one less then Manning himself is a big proponent of throwing your young pick to the Wolves from the get go.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lucks agent say to Indy, if you keep Manning we want a trade. He's good enough to demand that type of thing ( like another similarly prized Stanford QB did with the Colts back in the day) and should start based on what we saw with Cam Newton last year.

Luck is light years better and more prepared then Newton.