In any other division, we would be coming 3rd or last

[WarnerHOF]

Thank god for the mediocrity of the NFC West.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

what do mean any other division? They may finish 3rd or last in this one.

 

[Catfish]

And just what are you basing that on------the fact that we just squeaked by the Rams who only won 1 game last year??? If so, you had better watch the game on replay, because it was hard-fought to the very end. That is how games on the road are won-----they don't come easy. By the way, that Rams team who only won once last year-----you would do well to check their W-L record after this year is over. They have found their QBOF, and the other pieces that they are building around are coming into their own too. They will have a far better record than 1 and 15 this year. So will we.

 

[stewdog1]

That's asinine after one game. Would you say the same about the Chargers, Jets, Cowboys, Redskins, Bengals, etc?

 

[PACardsFan]

Thank god for the mediocrity of the NFC West.

I heard Gruden say the other night that there is no tougher game than an opener against a divisional foe on the road. Dolphins squeaked out a win against Buffalo on the road. Colts, Chargers, Cowboys & Niners all lost on the road & all were favored. Hell, Chicago should have lost to a divisional foe & they were at home. Look, we have to expect that we may have some ugly wins (and losses) early on. This offense had Warner at the helm for almost 4 years. Rythym doesn't come overnight. Not only do the players have a huge adjustment, but so do the coaches. The Cardinals are a solid team, more cohesive on D right now. The O will come around. If it doesn't, in short order, we'll see Max out there.

I'm not sold on "In any other Divison" nonsense. How can you make that statement one week into the season. What if Seattle is for real & wins 12 games. The Rams will win 5-6 games before everything is said. Hell, I had to suffer watching the Cardinals play in the NFC East for 30 years. I'm not about to apologize for playing in the NFC West.

 

[DutchmanAZ]

I heard Gruden say the other night that there is no tougher game than an opener against a divisional foe on the road. Dolphins squeaked out a win against Buffalo on the road. Colts, Chargers, Cowboys & Niners all lost on the road & all were favored. Hell, Chicago should have lost to a divisional foe & they were at home. Look, we have to expect that we may have some ugly wins (and losses) early on. This offense had Warner at the helm for almost 4 years. Rythym doesn't come overnight. Not only do the players have a huge adjustment, but so do the coaches. The Cardinals are a solid team, more cohesive on D right now. The O will come around. If it doesn't, in short order, we'll see Max out there.

I'm not sold on "In any other Divison" nonsense. How can you make that statement one week into the season. What if Seattle is for real & wins 12 games. The Rams will win 5-6 games before everything is said. Hell, I had to suffer watching the Cardinals play in the NFC East for 30 years. I'm not about to apologize for playing in the NFC West.

 

[WarnerHOF]

I will admit I overreacted since I made this thread right after the last second Wilson interception and think the team did very well to overcome 3 fumbles in Rams territory. Spagnoulo is one of the best defensive minded coaches in the league and his much worse team did manage to hang in there with the Texans and Saints last season. Continued improvement from Anderson and hopefully a more aggressive defense with more experience as the season goes on could result in this season being a very good one for a "transition" year.

Bring on the Falcons.

 

[Garthshort]

Premise, which might be correct, doesn't seem very well thought out. After watching a tape of the Rams' game, I came away with the following impressions:
1. We might have a pretty good run game.
2. Our defense is very good.
3. Special Teams have a chance to be pretty good.
4. QB (passing game) is still a big question mark. DA has shown some potential, and if Fitz gets close to 100%, that will help. Unfortunately, DA's history doesn't inspire confidence.

Bottom line, the jury is still out.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

I'm with PACARDSFAN on this one....

All those miserable years in the TOUGH NFC EAST which kept producing Super Bowl winners. ...And NOT ONCE did a fan of any of those teams say, Tough break you guys are in the East. Instead, they merciless reminded me each week how much my team sucked. So, win the West, regardless of its' strength, and I'll be very happy to settle in and enjoy our play-off run. ..And for a glaring example how 'bout 2008. The "weak" Cardinals from the West beat the Falcons, Panthers (on the road), and Eagles on their way to the Super Bowl. Get to the play-offs 1st. Don't care how. Just get there. And then anything is possible! GO CARDS!

 

[Duckjake]

I heard Gruden say the other night that there is no tougher game than an opener against a divisional foe on the road. Dolphins squeaked out a win against Buffalo on the road. Colts, Chargers, Cowboys & Niners all lost on the road & all were favored. Hell, Chicago should have lost to a divisional foe & they were at home. Look, we have to expect that we may have some ugly wins (and losses) early on. This offense had Warner at the helm for almost 4 years. Rythym doesn't come overnight. Not only do the players have a huge adjustment, but so do the coaches. The Cardinals are a solid team, more cohesive on D right now. The O will come around. If it doesn't, in short order, we'll see Max out there.

I'm not sold on "In any other Divison" nonsense. How can you make that statement one week into the season. What if Seattle is for real & wins 12 games. The Rams will win 5-6 games before everything is said. Hell, I had to suffer watching the Cardinals play in the NFC East for 30 years. I'm not about to apologize for playing in the NFC West.

Just for fun I looked up our openers. Third year in a row the road team has won. Cards won @ SF, SF beat AZ, AZ beat Rams. Prior two seasons the home team won.

But you can't really count the Cards in that stat because we've only opened at home like 3 times since 1989. And one of those was because of the postponement of games in 2001.

 

[Fitz Rulz]

Since 2000, teams from NFC divisions reaching super bowl

East 3
North 1
South 3
West 4

Maybe there's no strong competition within the NFC West, but teams from this division progress in the playoffs

 

[Cheesebeef]

But you can't really count the Cards in that stat because we've only opened at home like 3 times since 1989. And one of those was because of the postponement of games in 2001.

this is such horse-manure. This team better start at home 3 of the next 4 seasons.

Seriously... 2 scheduled home-openers since 1988... it's crap. We've had the dome for 5 years and STILL have opened away from home 3 out of 5 times. Throws us a freaking bone NFL.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

I'm usually a pretty big defender of the NFC West - people talk crap, but the teams that make the playoffs from this division beat the big boys regularly and show well in the playoffs ....... it's not a fluke that they are there competing

when seattle was good all I heard was how lucky they were to not play in the NFC East and have to face all those good team ... too bad over that span they were like 11-1 against NFCE teams including 3-0 in the playoffs and some convincing wins (like handing the eagles one of their worst losses on monday night in philadelphia)

however, this year I really don't see a good team in the west .... i know it's early and a lot can change, but I don't see a team from this division being of the quality where they would be able to finish with a better record than some of the better teams ....... I don't see any of them consistently on par with GB, MN, NO, Atl ... the NFCE is off to a shaky start, but the Giants and Cowboys should turn out alright and the redskins and eagles should be a tough game most weeks

I would put the best in this division ahead of the likes of the lions, bears, bucs and most of the bottom half teams in those divisions

 

[kerouac9]

this is such horse-manure. This team better start at home 3 of the next 4 seasons.

Seriously... 2 scheduled home-openers since 1988... it's crap. We've had the dome for 5 years and STILL have opened away from home 3 out of 5 times. Throws us a freaking bone NFL.

I get it, but I don't want to tailgate in early September in Glendale, either.

It would be great if we were good enough to earn a night game as a home opener, but Glendale at 3 in the afternoon in September is no fun.

 

[chickenhead]

Last year especially, the NFC West wasn't much good. The Niners were 3-7 against non-divisional opponents; the Seahawks were 2-8; the Rams were 1-9.

But the Cardinals were 6-4.

If the Cards swept their division and won only a few non-division games against wek opponents, then the criticism of the NFCW becomes valid in their case. But they beat the Giants and Bears on the road, plus the Vikings at home. They had every right to be in the postseason.

 

[Doug]

I heard Gruden say the other night that there is no tougher game than an opener against a divisional foe on the road. Dolphins squeaked out a win against Buffalo on the road. Colts, Chargers, Cowboys & Niners all lost on the road & all were favored. Hell, Chicago should have lost to a divisional foe & they were at home. Look, we have to expect that we may have some ugly wins (and losses) early on. This offense had Warner at the helm for almost 4 years. Rythym doesn't come overnight. Not only do the players have a huge adjustment, but so do the coaches. The Cardinals are a solid team, more cohesive on D right now. The O will come around. If it doesn't, in short order, we'll see Max out there.

I'm not sold on "In any other Divison" nonsense. How can you make that statement one week into the season. What if Seattle is for real & wins 12 games. The Rams will win 5-6 games before everything is said. Hell, I had to suffer watching the Cardinals play in the NFC East for 30 years. I'm not about to apologize for playing in the NFC West.

Thankyou for your intelligent post.Nothing more to add.You said it all.Some will never figure out this game until they have played it.

 

[Duckjake]

I get it, but I don't want to tailgate in early September in Glendale, either.

It would be great if we were good enough to earn a night game as a home opener, but Glendale at 3 in the afternoon in September is no fun.

That is a problem and it could be why Dallas has opened on the road 6 times in the last 7 years but then the Texans in Houston where the weather is even more brutal for tailgating than in PHX in September because of the high humidity has been at home 3 of the last 4.

Apparently it is still fun to tailgate when it is 35 degrees in Green Bay or Pittsburgh because you never hear their fans complain about it so they don't lose games in December.

I think it is because the NFL and Network and advertising people want to come to Arizona more often when the weather is better for golf.

 

[Brighteyes]

Last year especially, the NFC West wasn't much good. The Niners were 3-7 against non-divisional opponents; the Seahawks were 2-8; the Rams were 1-9.

But the Cardinals were 6-4.

If the Cards swept their division and won only a few non-division games against wek opponents, then the criticism of the NFCW becomes valid in their case. But they beat the Giants and Bears on the road, plus the Vikings at home. They had every right to be in the postseason.

Amen.

We won the first playoff round, too, against a heavily favored Packers team.

Come to think of it, have we ever played a post season game where WE were favored ?

 

[Doug]

I'm usually a pretty big defender of the NFC West - people talk crap, but the teams that make the playoffs from this division beat the big boys regularly and show well in the playoffs ....... it's not a fluke that they are there competing

when seattle was good all I heard was how lucky they were to not play in the NFC East and have to face all those good team ... too bad over that span they were like 11-1 against NFCE teams including 3-0 in the playoffs and some convincing wins (like handing the eagles one of their worst losses on monday night in philadelphia)

however, this year I really don't see a good team in the west .... i know it's early and a lot can change, but I don't see a team from this division being of the quality where they would be able to finish with a better record than some of the better teams ....... I don't see any of them consistently on par with GB, MN, NO, Atl ... the NFCE is off to a shaky start, but the Giants and Cowboys should turn out alright and the redskins and eagles should be a tough game most weeks

I would put the best in this division ahead of the likes of the lions, bears, bucs and most of the bottom half teams in those divisions

Just curious of how you predict the future where you're from? I don't see anyway anyone can predict the major loss of players like The Packers losing their stud leading runningback.Teams can't just plug in any player to replace talent like that.

Then I'd like to address how you predict after one game the players out of nowhere who step up as I expect our WR Williams to do so this season to help us stretch the field in a major way.

I saw many players drafted 3 years ago Finally have the light go ON this last week as was expected much sooner.The DT from LSU drafted in top 4 players who lit up the Chargers as he was walking the "BUST" line if he did'nt produce this year.

Watched and played too much NFL football to be able to make any predictions after week one and pre-season yet.It'll always make you look foolish.Many teams in NFL history have lost their first 2 games and still won the SB.I think 0-4 is as bad a team got and still won the superbowl but No One can foresee certain players injured,finally showing up and leading teams * the unexpected player contributions we've seen lots of the last 3 years in the NFL.

Keep your powder dry on ANY predictions of who is what yet.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

the same future forecaster that makes you think the light will stay on for Dorsey (the DT from LSU) for the rest of the season even though it's been off for the past 2

you see - that's why I put in that whole "I know it's early and a lot can change" thing ........ which means that it's how I see things as now

and for as high as you guys are on your williams us seahawk fans can be on our williams .... bottom line is neither has done anything in the NFL and rookie WRs generally make a marginal impact at best throughout the history of the league - there are some exceptions, most of which aren't undrafted .......... but then again you have the expectation that Williams will help you in the stretch in a major way, which is definitely soothsaying

so yeah - this is how I read it right now - i have every right to be wrong with how I read it and you have every right to debate how I read it

but from what I believe of the talent levels on the various rosters, I see way too many gaps in the NFCW teams to be amongst the top 8 teams in the NFC

now I could wait until it all plays out and then give a historical recap - but first off, that's boring ...... second of all, it's safe .... and lastly, pretty much any dope can tell you what happened and some can even go into the why

then again - you do have a very important and vital message ... i think we should start a collection to send you to vegas to preach to all those who dare have the audacity to not only predict future outcomes - but to even place bets based on their confidence of those outcomes

as a quick recap in your post you make a few future seeing predictions:

• Packers can't replace talent like Ryan Grant - you have a time machine to see their trades, how the backups will perform, etc
• Williams will be an impact player down the stretch for the Cardinals
• The light is on for Dorsey after one game

Then in other posts you make a lot of predictions

• On the falcons game - "A close win awesome battle or we get doubled up is my prediction."
• :Has nothing to do with grading out the team after one pre-season game.Last years pre-season was ugly too. Our division will be wide open this season excluding the Rams for at least 2 years."
• "I think all of us knew Daryl was the real deal watching TCU last season.Now under Lot and an NFL weight lifting and 12 month NFL training schedule and learning our tricky 3-4 defense inside and out he'll be a leader.Speed conquers all."
• "If the Cardinals start the season with Monty as part of our ILB rotation (IN Any Way) we will not win more than 7 games period"
• "I see us taking a couple steps backwards this year."

You also state that you are in the markets .... how can you do that .... you never know when an unseen emerging competitor may devalue one of your holdings, or maybe a CEO will have a heart attack causing the stock to plummet

You like to call people out a lot for their crystal balls and audacity to have an opinion on future events .... but you sure don't shy away from it yourself

 

[earthsci]

Apparently it is still fun to tailgate when it is 35 degrees in Green Bay or Pittsburgh because you never hear their fans complain about it so they don't lose games in December.

You can always put on more clothes (I like cold weather), but if you get too comfortable here you end up breaking laws and with a really bad sunburn.

 

[daves]

We won the first playoff round, too, against a heavily favored Packers team.

The Cardinals were favored by 1 point in that game.

Come to think of it, have we ever played a post season game where WE were favored ?

See above; but that's probably the only time, unless they were favored in 1947 or 1948! They were on the road for all games in 1974-75, 1982, and 1998, so they were probably underdogs in 1974-75. I know for a fact that they were underdogs in every game from 1982 on, except for the aforementioned home game vs. the Packers last year.

In 8 playoff games since moving to Arizona, the Cardinals were underdogs in 7, yet won 4 of those outright, and covered in one more (Super Bowl). The only games they failed to cover were at the Vikings in 1998 and at the Saints in 2009.

Just keepin' it real....

...dave

 

[Cheesebeef]

I get it, but I don't want to tailgate in early September in Glendale, either.

It would be great if we were good enough to earn a night game as a home opener, but Glendale at 3 in the afternoon in September is no fun.

I want the advantage for our players to be at home and could care less about the burden on our fans.

but jeez... the Cowboys have opened 6 of 7 times on the road? That's a head scratcher too... I mean, it's not THAT hot in Dallas this time of year, but it might makes some sense in that they're almost a sure sell-out on the road as one of the leagues top-draws and the NFL wants to have as much capacity as possible on opening weekend.

 

[Doug]

the same future forecaster that makes you think the light will stay on for Dorsey (the DT from LSU) for the rest of the season even though it's been off for the past 2

you see - that's why I put in that whole "I know it's early and a lot can change" thing ........ which means that it's how I see things as now

and for as high as you guys are on your williams us seahawk fans can be on our williams .... bottom line is neither has done anything in the NFL and rookie WRs generally make a marginal impact at best throughout the history of the league - there are some exceptions, most of which aren't undrafted .......... but then again you have the expectation that Williams will help you in the stretch in a major way, which is definitely soothsaying

so yeah - this is how I read it right now - i have every right to be wrong with how I read it and you have every right to debate how I read it

but from what I believe of the talent levels on the various rosters, I see way too many gaps in the NFCW teams to be amongst the top 8 teams in the NFC

now I could wait until it all plays out and then give a historical recap - but first off, that's boring ...... second of all, it's safe .... and lastly, pretty much any dope can tell you what happened and some can even go into the why

then again - you do have a very important and vital message ... i think we should start a collection to send you to vegas to preach to all those who dare have the audacity to not only predict future outcomes - but to even place bets based on their confidence of those outcomes




as a quick recap in your post you make a few future seeing predictions:

• Packers can't replace talent like Ryan Grant - you have a time machine to see their trades, how the backups will perform, etc
• Williams will be an impact player down the stretch for the Cardinals
• The light is on for Dorsey after one game

Then in other posts you make a lot of predictions

• On the falcons game - "A close win awesome battle or we get doubled up is my prediction."
• :Has nothing to do with grading out the team after one pre-season game.Last years pre-season was ugly too. Our division will be wide open this season excluding the Rams for at least 2 years."
• "I think all of us knew Daryl was the real deal watching TCU last season.Now under Lot and an NFL weight lifting and 12 month NFL training schedule and learning our tricky 3-4 defense inside and out he'll be a leader.Speed conquers all."
• "If the Cardinals start the season with Monty as part of our ILB rotation (IN Any Way) we will not win more than 7 games period"
• "I see us taking a couple steps backwards this year."

You also state that you are in the markets .... how can you do that .... you never know when an unseen emerging competitor may devalue one of your holdings, or maybe a CEO will have a heart attack causing the stock to plummet

You like to call people out a lot for their crystal balls and audacity to have an opinion on future events .... but you sure don't shy away from it yourself

You're really making me look pretty good with all the calls I've made.You're too easy.First one the dumbest person posting here knows the"HOUSE ALWAYS WINS" not every bet is meant by that but in Vegas as office pools go, you will always have more losers than winners.

Yet with the stock market if you have done all your homework Its a fact you will ALWAYS make more money with the market in stocks,bonds,mutual funds,hedge funds with proper knowledge than anyone leaving their money in a bank.The Market is a proven winner since its inception.Even with your SILLY comment that a CEO would cause a real solid backed up stock to crash if a CEO died of a heart attack leads me to LMAO and question your age and no you have no real knowledge of the markets at all.Having a stock I own devalued would never happen as I would have done my homework to know how solvent my company I'm invested in was and backed up by how much liquidity and in materials.

The two proposed thoughts on the market made my day as I'm LMAO to a major extent. You could think you could type that and not know you'd be blown out of the water.I could write 5 pages to educate you on why you can't afford not TO BE IN THE MARKET.

To compare Vegas and the stock market is not worth the time to write how embarrassing a question that is.Its PURE FANTASY to compare the twnly comparison is crimminals are in both.Thats about it.Thankyou for brightening my day. I'm dead on batting 1000% in all the so called predictions attributed to me.Especially proud of the Monty call I made as he was cut loose and did'nt make the team even though we are paper thin at that position.He's not CARDINALS quality material period.One good pre-season game does not make the team.

Losing Warner,Dansby,Boldin,Rolle,and a retireing vet we all loved too.With this happening a simple statement of taking two steps backwards even though decent replacements and additions were made.HOF QB's are the hardest part to replace.Don't think DA with a Pro Bowl year will do anything but at most tie what Warner would have brought if he played another season instead of Dance and do NFL Network on Wednesdays and 7 NFL games as an announcer.Plus have his movie made this year.LMAO

No Ones sending me as a prophet in camels skin and eating honey and telling people not to gamble.I don't gamble and I'm not gonna risk breaking the rules the MIT crew did at counting cards and winning in blackjack.Even though they had major spurts of losses too in the book.Gamble at your own risk.Vegas wins most of the time.Homework isn't gonna help.NFL study included osprey.LOL. I Must admit I'd love to see you bet your house and all your $$$ on the nonsense you spouted with the hidden disclaimer "after the first week" of the NFL season.


So your comment of "I know its early and a lot can change" actually makes void anything you think in your pedictions as PURE NULL AND VOID.All of your named power teams are not power teams and really the whole article was a waste since you also wrote a LOT CAN CHANGE...I know because A LOT WILL CHANGE from your solid picks you made in your article.

This board is full of people making their predictions and why.Maybe I can add my small disclaimer as you did and then I'm free from any challenges against what I will have written.I feel much better and past history of Matt Hasselbacks play and his history of injury are always pointing to his fragility.Although I want to beat the hags at there best.Twice again as we are now getting a handle on.Is'nt it two Qwest road wins in a row now?

I don't see any power teams in the NFC right now.The AFC is loaded compared to the NFC.Saints still look to be the most complete "TEAM" in the NFC right now.Too early for the rest as I pointed out in my response post which led to a comedy reply by you.Thanks for making me look good again.I was'nt out looking for it.It was'nt hard to prove that your early predictions have no basis in facts.Nor do I call out anyone that posts predictions and explains why they believe what they do without BS disclaimers included to fall back on for excuses.

I'm also rocking the market on every down day I'm making money.I thank GOD for that.Would love to show off all the 52 week highs I've broken through this year so far and had another today with Centurylink.They are for folks in your area of the world just on a rural basis in the Northwest United States even though the home office is in Louisiana.Plus the divedend pays tomorrow too.You have to have a good mix of stocks,mutual funds for me and to stay defensive and many bonds that are paying off bigtime and also funds that can only be spent on my kids college funds.I'm blessed and prepared thankyou.Also Altria is another of my stocks I'd like to brag on along with NEE,DUK,MO,RDS-A,CTL and a few secrets.Putting my money were my mouth is....RIGHT???

Have a great day

 

[kerouac9]

I want the advantage for our players to be at home and could care less about the burden on our fans.

but jeez... the Cowboys have opened 6 of 7 times on the road? That's a head scratcher too... I mean, it's not THAT hot in Dallas this time of year, but it might makes some sense in that they're almost a sure sell-out on the road as one of the leagues top-draws and the NFL wants to have as much capacity as possible on opening weekend.

The NFL is concerned with sellouts around the league on opening day. It's an important media talking point for them (I wondered why Jacksonville opened at home this year--then I realized why. Can anyone else figure out why the Jags had a guaranteed Week 1 sellout?).

Dallas was 96 degrees with 97 percent humidity last Sunday: http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA I don't think the NFL wants to take ANY chances with unlively outdoor shots or empty seats to begin the game. Also I'm sure you're right about them being a public team and a national draw.

I get what you're saying, but a road game early means two home games in a row and an extra home game later in the season, when you're making a run for the playoffs.

The Cards got a home opener last year when they came off the Super Bowl run. With so much turnover this season, I'm sure that the NFL wasn't sure that fans would come out.