Indy Rumor from a Good Source - Cards not active in Free Agency due to trading down

[Stout]

IMO the front office shouldn't be making any press releases about how they wished they could have resigned so and so...That just makes them sound like a petty jilted ex lover.

By staying silent, it tells me they were A-Ok letting them walk...that they are replaceable, which they really are. Were they nice? Yes...Were they dominant at their position? Nope.

Should they be looking to move on from Ertz and Conner? Probably. Each of them, though, may have value to another team via trade. I think you keep them around, as long as possible...even up to trade deadline. Heck, that's how the Cards got Ertz in the 1st place. They monitored him for weeks/months until Philly was ready to pull the trigger at whatever price.

In another season, where we have a solid team, a good roster, young talent pushing to get game time, yes. Now? No. They were two of our best players, they were good players, and they were young and in the just hitting top form phase of their careers. When tearing down a bad team and rooting out the rot, you really, really need to not let pieces like this walk. While they may be replaceable for good teams, we either need to waste picks to replace them and pray the picks are at least as good, or spend FA resources to replace them. IMO neither way will we be instantly even as good as we were, let alone better, and we will be wasting picks/cap space better used elsewhere.

In other words, don't stupidly allow gaping holes on your already putrid roster to open up. Just shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

[Goldfield]

I was very mad about losing Allen/Murphy but I am over it now.

Zach more than Murphy for me but it’s over now. But I’m going to wait an see what the plan is before freaking out. Not happy at the moment.

 

[Chopper0080]

IMO the front office shouldn't be making any press releases about how they wished they could have resigned so and so...That just makes them sound like a petty jilted ex lover.

By staying silent, it tells me they were A-Ok letting them walk...that they are replaceable, which they really are. Were they nice? Yes...Were they dominant at their position? Nope.

Should they be looking to move on from Ertz and Conner? Probably. Each of them, though, may have value to another team via trade. I think you keep them around, as long as possible...even up to trade deadline. Heck, that's how the Cards got Ertz in the 1st place. They monitored him for weeks/months until Philly was ready to pull the trigger at whatever price.

There is a lot of room between replaceable and dominant. That is the above-replacement group. Both Allen and Murphy were above-replacement level players.

 

[kerouac9]

There is a lot of room between replaceable and dominant. That is the above-replacement group. Both Allen and Murphy were above-replacement level players.

Both Murphy and Allen would be top-5 or -8 players on a playoff-caliber defense.

 

[Cards Crazy]

They will always be the Redskins... do I hate the Washington Redskin/Commander/Football Team? Nah, but you won't seem me rooting for them on any given Sunday lol

How I miss Those days when there were little if any politics in the game they just went out and played the game

 

[Harry]

Kiper is projecting Indy trade w/Cards getting 2nd & 3rd

 

[juza76]

Kiper is projecting Indy trade w/Cards getting 2nd & 3rd

Fair value in the case they want to draft Anderson
Cardinals has leverage and can get a better haul from teams behind Indy so indy is forced to offer more then the value chart

 

[Mainstreet]

Kiper is projecting Indy trade w/Cards getting 2nd & 3rd

I like, but I want to see the other offers.

 

[Card'em]

If we could get an extra 2nd and 3rd from Indy and still be able to draft Will Anderson Jr. at 4, I'd be ecstatic. Monti starts with an "A+" on his first draft day.

 

[BritCard]

I'm thinking multiple trade downs.

I can see us trading with Indy and trading back again.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I'm thinking multiple trade downs.

I can see us trading with Indy and trading back again.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

How I miss Those days when there were little if any politics in the game they just went out and played the game

And by “politics” you mean white people being able to denigrate other people without being called on it. Got it.

Guys, the “good old days” were only good for a select type of person.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm thinking multiple trade downs.

I can see us trading with Indy and trading back again.

Anything to avoid those luxury players!

 

[Jasper]

We’re gonna need half a dozen 2nd day picks just to field a team. Wouldn’t depend on any 3rd day picks.

 

[Chopper0080]

Both Murphy and Allen would be top-5 or -8 players on a playoff-caliber defense.

Agreed. It's like the Kelvin Beachum deal. He is a great value, vet signing in a vacuum. When he is your 2nd best offensive lineman, it is a problem.

 

[Goldfield]

I'm thinking multiple trade downs.

I can see us trading with Indy and trading back again.

I can also. But I’m not sure I like passing on top talent.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Agreed. It's like the Kelvin Beachum deal. He is a great value, vet signing in a vacuum. When he is your 2nd best offensive lineman, it is a problem.

Correct. You could create the most value based roster and the team could absolutely suck. But player by player their salaries would stand up to scrutiny. That’s why value as your sole criteria is a doomed strategy. That’s why the concept of “luxury players” is severely flawed.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I'm thinking multiple trade downs.

I can see us trading with Indy and trading back again.

Too clever by half, which is why I'm totally expecting it.

"Dur, what if I can trade this 50 cent piece for 3 quarters?!"

 

[Cards Crazy]

And by “politics” you mean white people being able to denigrate other people without being called on it. Got it.

Guys, the “good old days” were only good for a select type of person.

Nah just everything Players used to respect each other more the rules were simpler sure injuries are always more common players played with a toughness and attitude that just seems lacking anymore to me maybe Ime wrong but it just seems that way to me

 

[kerouac9]

Correct. You could create the most value based roster and the team could absolutely suck. But player by player their salaries would stand up to scrutiny. That’s why value as your sole criteria is a doomed strategy. That’s why the concept of “luxury players” is severely flawed.

I was looking at our roster and we have the same amount of guys with $7 million+ cap holds as the rest of the division.

The problem is that other teams have 3-5 players with $20m+ cap holds. We have one, DHop, who’s we expect to move.

Just a real lack of high-level talent on the roster that we’re not going to fix by trading down from 3rd to 9th and picking up two third-rounders in the process.

 

[phillycard]

Thats why I dont no why ppl are stressing about free agency on this board. It seems we want to be a team that builds through the draft and develops players.

Except that said strategy has been horribly executed for the greater part of our existence. I look at the draft like this. What's better odds to choose from, 2 keys to one Bentley, or 28 keys to 3 BMW's and 25 Hyundai Sonatas? If we're going to go with the 28 key option, we better grab all 3 of those BMW's.

 

[BritCard]

I can also. But I’m not sure I like passing on top talent.

There's 20-25 very good players at he top of this draft depending what you are looking for. The big question is what order do they come off the board. You don't want to go so far back that you miss on all the DT's and CB's for example.

But we should be ok as far back as 18 if that brings with it multiple future 1sts.

 

[BritCard]

Except that said strategy has been horribly executed for the greater part of our existence. I look at the draft like this. What's better odds to choose from, 2 keys to one Bentley, or 28 keys to 3 BMW's and 25 Hyundai Sonatas? If we're going to go with the 28 key option, we better grab all 3 of those BMW's.

It's not like free agency has a stellar record of paying off either.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I was looking at our roster and we have the same amount of guys with $7 million+ cap holds as the rest of the division.

The problem is that other teams have 3-5 players with $20m+ cap holds. We have one, DHop, who’s we expect to move.

Just a real lack of high-level talent on the roster that we’re not going to fix by trading down from 3rd to 9th and picking up two third-rounders in the process.

yessir people want all these top tier players to rebuild with but also want to trade back multiple times meaning we'd pass up on the top tier players

 

[phillycard]

It's not like free agency has a stellar record of paying off either.

Facts BC. Just underscores how sad it is.