Interesting trade thought

[Travis Bickle]

I usually hate it when people offer up trade ideas on message boards. They're either illogical (our scrubs for your stars) or impracticable (our $1 million guy for your $10 million guy).
That being said--and it's a slow day at work--, here's one which might be worthy of debate. Insider is reporting that Eddy Curry is on the block. What if John Paxson offered up Curry to the Suns for Joe Johnson (and Casey Jacobsen, to make the trade fit under the CBA)? Last offseason and even two weeks ago, I'd have said do it in a heart beat. Since the NY trade, I don't know. Would you trade a 3rd year sg who has been remarkably inconsistent but has been dominant for two weeks, for a soft and lazy but skilled 3rd year center who might end up pretty good but who also might never develop much beyond what he already has? I'm not sure.

 

[newfan101]

I'll pass on Curry. I think he's the new millenium's version of Kevin Duckworth. He'll put up good offensive #'s, but has no heart and plays no defense. His athleticism leaves alot to be desired as well.

Substitute Curry for a heathly Tyson Chandler, however, and I'd be more than interested.

 

[sunsfn]

If the trade has to include JJ I would not make that trade or many others. This guy is getting better and next year he will play this way from the start of the season and have a chance for the all star team...!

 

[Chaplin]

As much as I hate to eat crow, JJ has got to be our most untouchable guy next to Amare right now.

 

[slinslin]

Only if we would definately get Kobe.

 

[Wally]

Originally posted by sunsfn
If the trade has to include JJ I would not make that trade or many others. This guy is getting better and next year he will play this way from the start of the season and have a chance for the all star team...!

Sunsfn, it's good to see you being so sanguine!

Just watch how fast people jump off when the bandwagon stops rolling. We all know that all players have bad games and JJ will have one soon. He looks really good now and it would be great if he can continue his current shooting percentage, but you know it's coming.

I hope when he has an off shooting night, the fans will see the other good parts of his game. I think he is the best ball handler on the team - I like to think of him as a 1-2-3 player and he's beginning to get some good sense about what to do when his outside shot isn't falling - He takes the ball to the basket! I was relieved to see he didn't fall apart last night when he missed a layup - but he did look good on the play, it just didn't stay in the hoop.
GO JJ, keep that wagon rolling!

As far as trades go, I hope the Suns don't screw up what they have before they know what they have. Let's see how we end up this season and check what's availabe in the draft. I think any trade would be "nugatory" without having a clear understanding how any new pieces fit into the picture.

 

[Joe Mama]

If the Suns traded away in JJ and CJ the backcourt would consist of Barbosa, Howard Eiseley, and Shawn Marion would have to play some shooting guard. Am I forgetting about anyone?

I don't think I would make any trades right now unless the Phoenix Suns were only giving up one of their bad contracts and possibly draft picks.

I'm not totally sold on JJ just yet, but I wouldn't trade him.

Joe Mama

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Wally
Sunsfn, it's good to see you being so sanguine!

Just watch how fast people jump off when the bandwagon stops rolling. We all know that all players have bad games and JJ will have one soon. He looks really good now and it would be great if he can continue his current shooting percentage, but you know it's coming.

I hope when he has an off shooting night, the fans will see the other good parts of his game. I think he is the best ball handler on the team - I like to think of him as a 1-2-3 player and he's beginning to get some good sense about what to do when his outside shot isn't falling - He takes the ball to the basket! I was relieved to see he didn't fall apart last night when he missed a layup - but he did look good on the play, it just didn't stay in the hoop.
GO JJ, keep that wagon rolling!

As far as trades go, I hope the Suns don't screw up what they have before they know what they have. Let's see how we end up this season and check what's availabe in the draft. I think any trade would be "nugatory" without having a clear understanding how any new pieces fit into the picture.

Absolutely. I was strongly opposed to trading JJ even when he was struggling early in the season. Why on earth would I change now that he playing like an all-star. I expect he will have some ups and downs, but he has the ability and skills to be an elite player.

I can imagine scenerios where getting Curry would make sense, but I would not want to give up a key player for a fat, lazy, player with a bad attitude.

 

[sunsfn]

I believe that if you take Curry off the Bulls and put him on another team he may be a much better player.

How much better I do not know, but I think I would give the Knicks pic for him.
(The bulls may not do this)

I never want to trade picks but there is not a center worth taking in this draft in the first round.

And, we need a starting center............

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by sunsfn
I believe that if you take Curry off the Bulls and put him on another team he may be a much better player.

How much better I do not know, but I think I would give the Knicks pic for him.
(The bulls may not do this)

I never want to trade picks but there is not a center worth taking in this draft in the first round.

And, we need a starting center............

It depens on how unhappy they really are with him. He may be worth a mid first rounder to the Suns, but I suspect the Bulls would need more.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by sunsfn
I believe that if you take Curry off the Bulls and put him on another team he may be a much better player.

How much better I do not know, but I think I would give the Knicks pic for him.
(The bulls may not do this)

I never want to trade picks but there is not a center worth taking in this draft in the first round.

And, we need a starting center............

You to give up a whole mid to late first-round pick for Curry?

It's going to take a hell of a lot more than that to get him from Chicago.

Joe Mama

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
You to give up a whole mid to late first-round pick for Curry?

It's going to take a hell of a lot more than that to get him from Chicago.

Joe Mama

I think you are right. We just don't have alot to offer in a trade. I say lets develope our team this year and see if we need anything come next year. Unless we can move Googs or Howard to get under the cap. I say keep White.

 

[SunsTzu]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
You to give up a whole mid to late first-round pick for Curry?

It's going to take a hell of a lot more than that to get him from Chicago.

Joe Mama

I'm sure we could arrange for the Bulls to get Eisley as well

 

[devilalum]

JJ's just way to interesting to dump for a project, even if it is a center.

Of course nobody on this board ever wants to trade a player when he's playing well.

Which may seem logical but really isn't if you think about it.

 

[Chaz]

I think the Suns should keep the current team unless a team offers them a awesome deal of some kind.

I would like to see where this years picks end up before trading them. If neither of them is top 5 then they could trade two for one maybe to get 1 impact player from this draft. If one of the picks luck into a top pick then the other one could be used to make a trade.

Curry is an interesting prospect but I would not be in favor of giving up a lot to get him.

 

[Joe Mama]

I already said what the Phoenix Suns would want in a center. I don't think Curry really fits any of that description.

Joe Mama

 

[SweetD]

IMO Rasheed would be the best fit at Center for the Suns, but his history and attitude would be something the Suns will not deal with.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by devilalum
JJ's just way to interesting to dump for a project, even if it is a center.

Of course nobody on this board ever wants to trade a player when he's playing well.

Which may seem logical but really isn't if you think about it.

I would absolutely love Eisley to play well so he could be traded.

Seriously, I have been excited by JJ's potential ever since the Suns got him. He is 6'7" 235 with very good speed, some jumping ability, decent defense, and ia very good ball handler. When he is aggressive, he has the overall skill to score inside, outside, drive, post up, and hit a really pretty floater. He also plays hard. This is what he was two years ago. What he wasn't was consistent nor completely comfortable taking charge.

I was not the only observer who predicted that JJ would be an overnight sensation. He had all the physical ability AND great skills. He is very smooth and plays under control. All he needed was confidence. He may have slumps, but this guy can play.

 

[Beaver]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
It depens on how unhappy they really are with him. He may be worth a mid first rounder to the Suns, but I suspect the Bulls would need more.

The 31 year-old man who dresses as 'DA Bull', the Chicago Bulls mascot, was arrested today for selling marijuana out of his car.
The Bulls' Web site identifies Da Bull as the muscular, slam-dunking cousin of the team's other mascot, Benny the Bull. The team is considering replacing the former mascot with Eddy Curry in an effort to get something out of his rookie contract.

Source: Chicago Tribune

 

[Errntknght]

I don't see Eddy as being a good high post center should he miraculously get a new psyche. I'd rather have Lampe... he's as likely as Curry to turn into something and he fits the team. At least, I assume D'A will run a high post center as soon as we have someone that can play there.

Actually, I'm beginning to wonder if he has that in mind... Jake seems to be playing less in the high post than he used to and Amare has started playing further from the hoop. I can't say that I discern any particular style in what the team is doing... anyone else seeing a general pattern? Hopefully, once Amare and Zarko are fit and playing regularly we'll get a better idea what he's up to...

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by Errntknght
Actually, I'm beginning to wonder if he has that in mind... Jake seems to be playing less in the high post than he used to and Amare has started playing further from the hoop. I can't say that I discern any particular style in what the team is doing... anyone else seeing a general pattern? Hopefully, once Amare and Zarko are fit and playing regularly we'll get a better idea what he's up to...

I got to disagree with you on one point here. I do not think Amare Stoudemire has started playing farther from the hoop. Instead I thought one of his biggest problems before the injury was that he was playing too far away from the basket. He's done a lot better job of establishing himself down low since his return IMO.

Joe Mama

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
I got to disagree with you on one point here. I do not think Amare Stoudemire has started playing farther from the hoop. Instead I thought one of his biggest problems before the injury was that he was playing too far away from the basket. He's done a lot better job of establishing himself down low since his return IMO.

Joe Mama

Actually, you both might be right. Amare should be getting the ball on the move more, so that teams will not be able to simply deny him the ball. This means he would be starting 10 feet out, but be close to the basket when he gets the ball.

Most PFs cannot stay with him if he drives the basket and his ability to hit that sort jumper will make it hard for them to simply wait in the paint.

The key to all this is to get the entire team on the same page on what they are tyring to do.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by George O'Brien
Actually, you both might be right. Amare should be getting the ball on the move more, so that teams will not be able to simply deny him the ball. This means he would be starting 10 feet out, but be close to the basket when he gets the ball.

Most PFs cannot stay with him if he drives the basket and his ability to hit that sort jumper will make it hard for them to simply wait in the paint.

The key to all this is to get the entire team on the same page on what they are tyring to do.

IMO Amare Stoudemire is at his best when he establishes himself deep in the low post and uses his little hook shot around the basket. Driving to the basket he tends to get a little out-of-control as soon as anybody steps in front of him. Of course it also depends on who is guarding him.

Joe Mama

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
IMO Amare Stoudemire is at his best when he establishes himself deep in the low post and uses his little hook shot around the basket. Driving to the basket he tends to get a little out-of-control as soon as anybody steps in front of him. Of course it also depends on who is guarding him.

Joe Mama

I'm not sure I made mayself clear. I want him to get the ball WHILE MOVING. I don't like the idea of him trying to beat guys off the dribble, even if he can.

At the same time, matchups matter. Settling into the low post against Yao is a was of time, but against many guys it is a sure 2. I would like to have a high post center that pass as well as shoot, which is why I'm so excited about Lampe. Double Amare and Lampe is open. Press Lampe and he passes to Amare for a dunk.

 

[Gee!]

Originally posted by newfan101
Substitute Curry for a heathly Tyson Chandler, however, and I'd be more than interested.

This would implode the team. Chandler has a worse attitude than Curry, not to mention Tyson hates Amare since their rivalry in high school.