interview now on 1060 AM - Warner is airborne on private jet

[WildBB]

I don't think anyone on the planet is saying that at all. But there are some saying that the FO had nothing to do with it, and some go so far to say it was all on Kurt.

I happen to think Whis had the most to do with it of anyone. Kurt is just a cog..a good one, but a cog. Whis is the engine of this team.

It's a symbiotic thing. One hand feeds the other. It's no more this one than that one. The coach sets the tone the player has to deliver.

 

[Totally_Red]

You just know Leinart is home praying his ass off that Warner signs with the 9ers.

 

[D-Dogg]

did Clancy tell Francisco to fall down on Holmes' 40 yard play? Did he tell them to miss 2 sacks @ the 1-yd line on 1st and 20? Maybe the defensive players just weren't good enough to close the deal.

Clancy had Francisco in that position. He had DRC covering the sideline routes, concerned with a RB out of the backfield, and can't cover Francisco covering the middle and subsequently their fastest WR. HMMMM. And he gets fired. HMMMM.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Again...the Super Bowl run was due mainly to Warner. Another salient point. You are causing the value of my ASU degree to fall faster than the value of my house.

Another good one. Frankly, I am embarrassed that we went to the same school and shocked you have a college degree. Clearly logic wasn't your strong suit in school.

If you don't recognize that Warner, who happened to be recognized as the pro bowl starter in the NFC, was the main reason we made it to the super bowl, then you are either completely delusional, or being a contrarian for no purpose other than being annoying. It's just abject stupidity and even Warner's greatest detractors wouldn't make the argument.

 

[D-Dogg]

Another good one. Frankly, I am embarrassed that we went to the same school and shocked you have a college degree. Clearly logic wasn't your strong suit in school.

If you don't recognize that Warner, who happened to be recognized as the pro bowl starter in the NFC, was the main reason we made it to the super bowl, then you are either completely delusional, or being a contrarian for no purpose other than being annoying. It's just abject stupidity and even Warner's greatest detractors wouldn't make the argument.

Larry Effing Fitzgerald was the main reason we made it to the Super Bowl, and it isn't even close. In fact, if Kurt would have thrown a fade to Larry before the half instead of forcing it to Boldin, Larry Effing Fitzgerald would be the reason we WON the Super Bowl.

His postseason performance was beyond spectacular, and HE made Warner look good, not the other way around.

 

[abomb]

Warner is heading to dinner with Singletary and the GM. Here is a recap of an earlier interview with the GM;

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/020261.html

The SacBee reporter wont be blogging any more tonight.

 

[WildBB]

Larry Effing Fitzgerald was the main reason we made it to the Super Bowl, and it isn't even close. In fact, if Kurt would have thrown a fade to Larry before the half instead of forcing it to Boldin, Larry Effing Fitzgerald would be the reason we WON the Super Bowl.

His postseason performance was beyond spectacular, and HE made Warner look good, not the other way around.

No one will deny or take away Larry's post-season prowess. You got to give credit where credit is due. Give Warner his due.

 

[Proteus]

If our defense didn't step up in the playoffs, we wouldn't have made it to the Super Bowl.

 

[cardfan]

In one hour ago from AP's Greg Beacham:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i6u2wj9IMbtycIimtJdYo_tAnfMAD96M7N7O3

No real news. . . just that the Warner's are flying back tonight and that Warner might not be perfectly suited for the 49ers.

"
San Francisco's biggest signing Monday also pointed to another reason Warner might not be perfectly suited for the Niners. Fullback Moran Norris signed a three-year contract to return to the 49ers, who have repeatedly said they plan to build a run-first offense around running back Frank Gore and new coordinator Jimmy Raye."

 

[azsouthendzone]

Larry Effing Fitzgerald was the main reason we made it to the Super Bowl, and it isn't even close. In fact, if Kurt would have thrown a fade to Larry before the half instead of forcing it to Boldin, Larry Effing Fitzgerald would be the reason we WON the Super Bowl.

His postseason performance was beyond spectacular, and HE made Warner look good, not the other way around.

+1

Excellent post.

 

[Assface]

In one hour ago from AP's Greg Beacham:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i6u2wj9IMbtycIimtJdYo_tAnfMAD96M7N7O3

No real news. . . just that the Warner's are flying back tonight and that Warner might not be perfectly suited for the 49ers.

"
San Francisco's biggest signing Monday also pointed to another reason Warner might not be perfectly suited for the Niners. Fullback Moran Norris signed a three-year contract to return to the 49ers, who have repeatedly said they plan to build a run-first offense around running back Frank Gore and new coordinator Jimmy Raye."

Understatement. Warner would be terrible in San Francisco.

 

[abomb]

In one hour ago from AP's Greg Beacham:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i6u2wj9IMbtycIimtJdYo_tAnfMAD96M7N7O3

No real news. . . just that the Warner's are flying back tonight and that Warner might not be perfectly suited for the 49ers.

"
San Francisco's biggest signing Monday also pointed to another reason Warner might not be perfectly suited for the Niners. Fullback Moran Norris signed a three-year contract to return to the 49ers, who have repeatedly said they plan to build a run-first offense around running back Frank Gore and new coordinator Jimmy Raye."

Meh, that is pure opinion by the writer.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Another good one. Frankly, I am embarrassed that we went to the same school and shocked you have a college degree. Clearly logic wasn't your strong suit in school.

If you don't recognize that Warner, who happened to be recognized as the pro bowl starter in the NFC, was the main reason we made it to the super bowl, then you are either completely delusional, or being a contrarian for no purpose other than being annoying. It's just abject stupidity and even Warner's greatest detractors wouldn't make the argument.

ASUChris,

These personal attacks were over the line. I am giving you a two day break.

 

[D-Dogg]

San Francisco's biggest signing Monday also pointed to another reason Warner might not be perfectly suited for the Niners.

They needed a private jet, a stretch limo and a full day with Kurt to realize this?

I'm in the wrong business.

 

[abomb]

SF could sign Warner and go to the playoffs. Cards fans of all people should understand the amount of variance year to year in the NFL.

 

[D-Dogg]

Meh, that is pure opinion by the writer.

In this case, it's a fact.

 

[40yearfan]

They needed a private jet, a stretch limo and a full day with Kurt to realize this?

I'm in the wrong business.

Yeah, you should be banker getting money from us taxpayers so that you could enjoy all those luxuries.

 

[D-Dogg]

SF could sign Warner and go to the playoffs. Cards fans of all people should understand the amount of variance year to year in the NFL.

Bro, take a look at when and how Kurt struggles.

Then take a look at the stadium, system, oline and WRs in SF.

I know I don't need to handhold you on this path.

There is no amount of variance that will overcome these things we know about Kurt...SF is NOT going to be a place where he succeeds.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

If you don't recognize that Warner, who happened to be recognized as the pro bowl starter in the NFC, was the main reason we made it to the super bowl, then you are either completely delusional, or being a contrarian for no purpose other than being annoying. It's just abject stupidity and even Warner's greatest detractors wouldn't make the argument.

In a Kurt vs. Fitz argument...bringing up the Pro Bowl as evidence that Kurt Warner was the main reason for the Cards going to the SB seems weak.

Who was the Pro Bowl MVP?

:fitz:

 

[conraddobler]

He's not signing a deal with them they're bidding us up.

I would be SHOCKED if he signed a deal or even got an offer, it's SO transparent to do all this and then leak a figure that is curiously EXACTLY what he's asking.

The agent used the niners and they played along in the hopes we'd panic and do something stupid.

THERE IS NO WAY they made him the offer being bounced around, I'd be stunned if they did, this is pure theatre.

We apparently did up our offer, we blinked, it worked, I can't believe it worked but it did.

Graves isn't going into the hall of fame for negotiation skills.

He needs to:

A stop trying to lowball every time, it leads to looking stupid.

B hold his ground more.

Throw out real offers the first time Graves, starting so low every time is bush league, and it's counter productive the agents will eat you alive with that crud, as we just saw.

 

[moklerman]

We apparently did up our offer, we blinked, it worked, I can't believe it worked but it did.

If it was a pissin' contest then I think Warner and Co. need to sign because you're right.And it may be a lot more than just a $3M increase too depending on which reports turn out to be accurate. I think most of us have had 2 years/$20M/$10M guaranteed in mind as the offer he rejected.

But it if was the 1 year deal with a club option and no guarantees then 2/23/12.5 is a huge "blink". Warner and Bartlestein should take it and be proud of themselves. It may still be less than the $29 but I think it's as close as they're going to get and still be in a system/situation that makes it worth it for him to play football.

I'm not down on SF and I think he could probably do well enough there but it just wouldn't be to the same level of comfort, efficiency and production that rolling along in Arizona would offer.

 

[conraddobler]

If it was a pissin' contest then I think Warner and Co. need to sign because you're right.And it may be a lot more than just a $3M increase too depending on which reports turn out to be accurate. I think most of us have had 2 years/$20M/$10M guaranteed in mind as the offer he rejected.

But it if was the 1 year deal with a club option and no guarantees then 2/23/12.5 is a huge "blink". Warner and Bartlestein should take it and be proud of themselves. It may still be less than the $29 but I think it's as close as they're going to get and still be in a system/situation that makes it worth it for him to play football.

I'm not down on SF and I think he could probably do well enough there but it just wouldn't be to the same level of comfort, efficiency and production that rolling along in Arizona would offer.

I actually am going to put this one squarely on the FO shoulders.

They need to not do this with a player if they aren't prepared to hold their ground.

I was thinking the 20 million offer was fair but the point is do what you think is right, come with the correct offer you will stand pat on don't low ball it makes you look like a schmuck.

If they were always prepared to go this far then they're idiots for how this went down, just blithering idiots.

The offer should have been what they felt like offering and felt was fair, there can't possibly be that much room for them to go up unless they're idiots.

That IMO makes them idiots.

 

[Stout]

I actually am going to put this one squarely on the FO shoulders.

They need to not do this with a player if they aren't prepared to hold their ground.

I was thinking the 20 million offer was fair but the point is do what you think is right, come with the correct offer you will stand pat on don't low ball it makes you look like a schmuck.

If they were always prepared to go this far then they're idiots for how this went down, just blithering idiots.

The offer should have been what they felt like offering and felt was fair, there can't possibly be that much room for them to go up unless they're idiots.

That IMO makes them idiots.

But that isn't how negotiations work. If they come in with the highest possible offer they will ever give, then they have no leeway to up the ante and give something to the other side. Unless you want to pull a straight-up hardball stick-it-to-ya negotiation, you have to have room to negotiate upwards on what you offer.

 

[moklerman]

They need to not do this with a player if they aren't prepared to hold their ground.

I agree that they've really stepped on their own edited with the way it's all played out. The approach they took, the player they took that approach with, the inaccurate(IMO) value they put on that player, then wavering...the FO is in a lose/lose situation now.

They'll get criticism from both directions now. If they were willing to pay Warner more why did they screw him around? If they weren't willing to give him more why did they go up? If they went up was it because they didn't figure his value accurately or did they just lowball him?

 

[Stout]

I agree that they've really stepped on their own editedwith the way it's all played out. The approach they took, the player they took that approach with, the inaccurate(IMO) value they put on that player, then wavering...the FO is in a lose/lose situation now.

They'll get criticism from both directions now. If they were willing to pay Warner more why did they screw him around? If they weren't willing to give him more why did they go up? If they went up was it because they didn't figure his value accurately or did they just lowball him?

Again, if you enter a negotiation with no flexibility, you're setting yourself up to be a real hard ass in that negotiation. The inability to offer any kind of concession or raise on the deal will make you the bad guy.