interview now on 1060 AM - Warner is airborne on private jet

[Russ Smith]

Michael Smith of ESPN just said he still doesnt think Warner wants to play with the 49ers becuase it isnt anywhere close to the ideal situation. Says he dosnt think it will happen. But the Cards are firm on their two year 23 million dollar deal with 12.5 gauranteed. Who knows what contract is right.

I saw that too. The first number came from Kurt's agent, so I assume Smith's number came from the Cards.

If that's the offer and Kurt wants more, enjoy playing behind that OL with those WR's in an outdoor stadium where wind and weather are often factors.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Let's not all get too far ahead of ourselves in either overvaluing or discrediting Kurt Warner here.

Warner was clearly the straw that stirred the drink this season. I don't care if you have Jerry Rice, Steve Largent and Art Monk as your top 3 WR, the QB is the anchor of that ship and has to get the football to them at the right time and has to know when to call the right plays to properly utilize them.

With that being said, I don't think it's the ****ing apocolypse if he leaves and goes to San Francisco. I do think that Leinart is ready when the time is his to take the ball and run with it. IF Warner leaves and the Cards use the money they would have spent on him to get Boldin re-signed to a new deal, Leinart comes in and gets to drive the BMW. I believe he's more than capable of putting up over 3,500 yards and 30 TD. Sorry, I haven't quite given up on him yet, and won't until he gives me reason to.

I'm a Kurt Warner fan true and through. However, if he thinks that he's going to have 1/18th of the offensive arsenal he had in Arizona with the 49ers, he's got another thing coming. Isaac Bruce isn't half the WR he was in his prime, Arnaz Battle is solid, but not even to be mentioned in the same breath as Boldin and Fitz and Josh Morgan is a project. Putting this mildly, if ANY of these three were on the Cardinals, they'd be battling Early Doucet for time on the depth chart, at best. If he wants to downgrade the final years of his career by spending them on a team with questionable talent to throw the football to and on a team with a coach who has openly stated he wants to run a ball control offense, then the choice is ultimately Warner's.

I don't think KW is going to make San Francisco that much better of a team and subsequently I don't think the Cardinals are going to be in dire straits without him.

 

[NYCARDS]

Sigh.....You called Warner the cornerstone to the Super Bowl run and that comment makes me laugh. By saying that, certainly you would seem to believe that a cornerstone could be the cornerstone for another team, no? Furthermore, I know the cashier story is made up. I am sorry but I am sick of hearing about Warner and all of the BS that comes with him, including the BS spam emails about how wonderful a person he is, how his life is a fairy tale, as well as moronic fans that put one player above the team. I mentioned that email to take a needless jab at the Warnerphiles.

You got to be kidding me! Of course he was a cornerstone to the Super Bowl run. I dont like what is going on but to belittle what he did this year, especially in the playoffs, is just asinine.

I dont know all the details but it sounds like Kurt can make an additional $5 million a year for two years with San Fran. Which of you wouldnt take that? The Niners are offering too much. He is not worth it. This will be like the one great hurah Testaverde had with the Jets and then showed his age. I wish Kurt well. He gave all of us a the best year a Cardinal fan ever had...hands down.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Sigh.....You called Warner the cornerstone to the Super Bowl run and that comment makes me laugh. By saying that, certainly you would seem to believe that a cornerstone could be the cornerstone for another team, no? Furthermore, I know the cashier story is made up. I am sorry but I am sick of hearing about Warner and all of the BS that comes with him, including the BS spam emails about how wonderful a person he is, how his life is a fairy tale, as well as moronic fans that put one player above the team. I mentioned that email to take a needless jab at the Warnerphiles.

"You called Warner the cornerstone to the Super Bowl run and that comment makes me laugh."

You can laugh at whatever you want...anyone with half a brain knows this to be true. I mean, our entire offense was built around him, how can you not say this to be true. If you don't see the relationship between Warner and the Cardinals getting to the Super Bowl last year, maybe you were in a coma the entire year, or had no access to any news information whatsoever.

"Warner and all of the BS that comes with him, including the BS spam emails about how wonderful a person he is, how his life is a fairy tale, as well as moronic fans that put one player above the team. I mentioned that email to take a needless jab at the Warnerphiles."

Again, where to start? Man, it sucks that Warner is such a great human being, a shame that people focus on that as opposed to all the other crap that fills the airwaves about athletes murdering, raping, beating up their gf's...that's what we need more of.

Furthermore, your idiotic take about "one player above the team", who has mentioned that Warner is more important than the team? I can tell you, as a fan, the most important thing to me is winning a super bowl, and our best chance by far at winning a super bowl in the short term is with Kurt Warner at the helm. If you doubt this, you are delusional.

"I mentioned that email to take a needless jab at the Warnerphiles."

Good one.

Furthermore, debating with you is worse than talking to a drunk hobo, at least they have an excuse for sounding like an idiot.

 

[Renz]

Michael Smith of ESPN just said he still doesnt think Warner wants to play with the 49ers because it isn't anywhere close to the ideal situation. Says he doesn't think it will happen. But the Cards are firm on their two year 23 million dollar deal with 12.5 gauranteed. Who knows what contract is right?

I don't think he does either. If he did, it would have been announced by now. Heck, Warner got an extra $2.5 million guaranteed out of the Cards by going to Frisco.

Call it good and come home, Kurt.

 

[Mainstreet]

Michael Smith of ESPN just said he still doesnt think Warner wants to play with the 49ers becuase it isnt anywhere close to the ideal situation. Says he dosnt think it will happen. But the Cards are firm on their two year 23 million dollar deal with 12.5 gauranteed. Who knows what contract is right.

This is a very fair contract offer with 12.5 M guaranteed.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

How does this make Warner less of a human being??

 

[azsouthendzone]

You got to be kidding me! Of course he was a cornerstone to the Super Bowl run. I dont like what is going on but to belittle what he did this year, especially in the playoffs, is just asinine.

I dont know all the details but it sounds like Kurt can make an additional $5 million a year for two years with San Fran. Which of you wouldnt take that? The Niners are offering too much. He is not worth it. This will be like the one great hurah Testaverde had with the Jets and then showed his age. I wish Kurt well. He gave all of us a the best year a Cardinal fan ever had...hands down.

So you say he is the reason the Cards made the Super Bowl, that he should take the money from San Francisco, and that the Cards should not match because he is not worth that much money. Well I disagree with point number one, I think he was one reason of many, but the other two you are dead on.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I'd like to believe he would give the Cardinals a chance to match...but apparently his "feelings have been hurt" and this is the big splash he's wanted, complete with a private jet ride and limo service.

The writing was on the wall and the Cardinals didn't read it...

It was tough to read that yesterday the Cardinals engaged in no discussions with Warner's agent...

That says it all...

Expect Warner to be a 49er by nightfall.

And the worst part of it is...just wait, the Cardinals will be sitting there this year with the extra $5M the Bidwills always save on the cap...

Obviously Warner and his agent were right about his market value...

And the Cardinals tried to take advantage of Warner's insistance that he would play in Arizona or nowhere else.

Once again it just appears that the Cardinal FO is behind the times and does not have the urgency or the practical sense to anticipate what it means to play in this market. They are still way over their heads.

If it weren't for Warner, the Cardinals would never have even had a remote chance of playing in a Super Bowl.

The Cardinals said they didn't want to let Super Bowl emotions get in the way of the way they would negotiate contracts.

If anything Super Bowl emotions should have inspired the way they do contracts, with the idea of making another full fledged two year run to win one.

Instead, it's back to square one...and perhaps even worse because if you think the Cardinals took heat for incompetence before, wait till you see the fallout from this debacle. Once again the Cardinals will be the laughing stock of the NFL.

Great post Mitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You hit all the nails on the head with that one.

Two points I want to emphasize are that (a) the Bidwills never spend all the way to cap limit, so whether they signed Warner for 10 per, 12 per or 14 per is really irrelevent. They would still have extra $$. (b) is what you said about the fallout from this. Does anyone remember the heat Billick and the Ravens took for letting go of Dilfer after the Ravens won the Super Bowl? They won becuase of their D and figured they didn't need him and when it was proven that they did the media DESTROYED the organization. We won in large part because of Warner. We are gonna be the first team to lose the SB and get picked by everyone to finish third/fourth in their division the following year.

You guys can try to defend the FO and say that Warner wanted too much, but nobody outside of this board thinks so and what else has Graves and Co. done to inspire you this offseason?

 

[azsouthendzone]

Great post Mitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You hit all the nails on the head with that one.

Two points I want to emphasize are that (a) the Bidwills never spend all the way to cap limit, so whether they signed Warner for 10 per, 12 per or 14 per is really irrelevent. They would still have extra $$. (b) is what you said about the fallout from this. Does anyone remember the heat Billick and the Ravens took for letting go of Dilfer after the Ravens won the Super Bowl? They won becuase of their D and figured they didn't need him and when it was proven that they did the media DESTROYED the organization. We won in large part because of Warner. We are gonna be the first team to lose the SB and get picked by everyone to finish third/fourth in their division the following year.

You guys can try to defend the FO and say that Warner wanted too much, but nobody outside of this board thinks so and what else has Graves and Co. done to inspire you this offseason?

The fact they haven't signed him to the idiotic 29 million 2 year deal inspires me along with the fact that maybe they are finally giving the keys to Leinart.

 

[Renz]

Great post Mitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You hit all the nails on the head with that one.

Two points I want to emphasize are that (a) the Bidwills never spend all the way to cap limit, so whether they signed Warner for 10 per, 12 per or 14 per is really irrelevent. They would still have extra $$. (b) is what you said about the fallout from this. Does anyone remember the heat Billick and the Ravens took for letting go of Dilfer after the Ravens won the Super Bowl? They won becuase of their D and figured they didn't need him and when it was proven that they did the media DESTROYED the organization. We won in large part because of Warner. We are gonna be the first team to lose the SB and get picked by everyone to finish third/fourth in their division the following year.

You guys can try to defend the FO and say that Warner wanted too much, but nobody outside of this board thinks so and what else has Graves and Co. done to inspire you this offseason?

So your plan would be 'give Warner everything he demands', even if you don't think he's worth it?

 

[Diamondback Jay]

The offer Arizona made Warner was more than generous. It also appeared that Warner was sticking to his "Arizona or Retirement" plans.

It was around that time Warner's agent got in his ear and told him that he deserved top 5 QB money.

I do not fault them for being reluctant to overpay the guy.

When you look at the fact that he's eventually going to have to sit back and ask himself if the grass really is greener on the other side and that he has a damn good thing going here, really can you fault Graves and Bidwill for refusing to get in a bidding war?

 

[Feeble Mcjackson]

Is it just me or has Kurt only had one real good year in phoenix? In fact, i remember him getting benched at one point.

So lets not get all Warner crazy and over pay the guy to come play with the best WR corp in the NFL

 

[Arizona's Finest]

The tags in this thread are classic.

My question is what the hell does Shaun Hill have to do to get a chance. I think he is something like 7 games over .500 for a team that has won a total of 9 games! over the past two years. For the ball control offense they run he actually scares me more then Warner on that team. With Hill they will play to their personnel strengths. With Warner they will try to chuck the ball around when they don't have the oline, WR's, and OC to do it.

They are about to marginalize their best player in Frank Gore.

Again this isn't fantasy football. You don't just take a player and put him on a new team and expect him to replicate stats. Its about "fit".

And Kurt doens't "fit" the 49ers. I almost hope he goes there for a huge cap hit. It will set them back 2 years.

 

[cardsfanmd]

The fact they haven't signed him to the idiotic 29 million 2 year deal inspires me along with the fact that maybe they are finally giving the keys to Leinart.

I never said I wanted them to give him 29 mill. I was just saying that if they want him to be their QB if wouldn't be difficult or painfull to make happen. My post was meant to be less about how great Kurt was and more about how incompetant our FO is.

Either way, I think Kurt is largely full of s--t. If you want a ring, SF is about as good as going to Alaska. More than anyone, this shows me what he thinks ofthe Cards if he feels he has a better chance of getting a ring in the Bay Area. He said the whoile time during the playoffs that he was surprised the team had made it that far and that he didn't think they were that good. He always seems to have total confidence in himself, but I have yet to see him show much in his team (other than Larry and Q). I have said since the day he signed with the team that he was the best QB on the roster and still had star-power in him, but he is really beginning to look like one of the know-it-all, done-it-all, always right religious guys whose barbeques you choose to miss. I hope I am completely wrong, because I have always been a huge fan of him, both on and off the field, but this is just what I've been noticing.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Is it just me or has Kurt only had one real good year in phoenix? In fact, i remember him getting benched at one point.

It's only you.

He's thrown for 12,090 yards and 74 TDs with the Cardinals.

He's hardly been a one year wonder here.

 

[cardsfanmd]

So your plan would be 'give Warner everything he demands', even if you don't think he's worth it?

Where did I say anything like that?

 

[azsouthendzone]

It's only you.

He's thrown for 12,090 yards and 74 TDs with the Cardinals.

He's hardly been a one year wonder here.

He was a 1.5 year wonder. At one point the Josh McCown vs. Kurt Warner debate was raging. When Leinart took over for him no one was complaining. There was no QB controversy coming into 2007. Leinart struggled in Whiz's base offense. So did Warner. Whiz ditched the offense for Warner and we have yet to see what Leinart can do but it is high time we figure it out.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Where did I say anything like that?

All of the jabs at the FO are pretty silly considering they put together the current NFC Champions. They have a plan and they will stick to it. I doubt their big sinister scheme is to go 3-13 next year. But alas people will always complain about the FO and them being cheap. This proves that even if they win a ring people will still complain.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

He was a 1.5 year wonder. At one point the Josh McCown vs. Kurt Warner debate was raging. When Leinart took over for him no one was complaining. There was no QB controversy coming into 2007. Leinart struggled in Whiz's base offense. So did Warner. Whiz ditched the offense for Warner and we have yet to see what Leinart can do but it is high time we figure it out.

I don't disagree that it's time to see what Leinart has. If Warner gets this deal, you may as well send Leinart to the Lions for a 7th rounder because re-upping Warner essentially closes the door on his Cardinals career.

Flipside of that, those numbers don't lie.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Great post by a 49ers fan on their board...

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Not to mention the fact that we'll be taking away a good qb from a division rival.

Don't want him or need him. The Cards want to go with Lienart thats why there are not worried about losing warner, actually the Cards for once are doing what the Niners should, not overpaying to help sign players whose contracts are coming up for renewal. Spending roughly 29 mil for a 38 yr old qb and having a makeshift line and many holes to fill IMO not worth it. Hill keeps getting screwed and all he has ever done is help this team win!!! HELL NO-let Warner go!!!!!!!!!

Even Billy Idol gets it.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Of course Mark Bartlestein now says that no decsion will be made today and that Kurt the stock boy and Brenda the cashier need to go home and talk about it. At least he got a great meal out of it. That is the best part of recruitment trips.

 

[gohard83]

Hey possibly good news for you guys and me as well because I don't want Warner on my team either.

quote from his agent just now

"Nothing is going to happen tonight," said Mark Bartelstein, Warner's agent. "He's going to have to sit down and talk to his wife and me. We'll get through today and figure out what to do from there."

 

[cardsfanmd]

All of the jabs at the FO are pretty silly considering they put together the current NFC Champions.

They were still 9-7 too while being the healthiest team in the league. more than anything, health is the main ingredient to a good season. Do you think we would have went to the SB if Gandy had gotten hurt this year? What if Seattle had stayed healthy? Would you still be so confident in Graves had we went 7-9?

They have a plan and they will stick to it. I doubt their big sinister scheme is to go 3-13 next year. But alas people will always complain about the FO and them being cheap. This proves that even if they win a ring people will still complain.

Damn right. What they did last year is irrelevent. If they win a SB in '08 why on Earth would they get a free pass in '09. I would still be happy about the win, but that doesn't mean I am not gonna call them out on mistakes. The Bears went to the SB two years ago, are you telling me that their GM had been and is continueing to do a good job?

 

[The Commish]

So did he even receive an offer today? Sounds like a glorified physical...