Is Beanie the Cards version of McFadden?

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It took DM 3 seasons to have the 'lights turn on" and I can't help but feel that Beanie is following in the same path.

I just hope the team does not give up on BW, for I still believe he will be a very, very good RB in this league...
 

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McFadden ran well for the first few years, but the plays weren't drawn up to utilize his strengths and he had alot of carries given away to an inferior backs (like Fargas). The difference is that Wells is more injury prone. Time will tell, but one wonders why Beanie isn't being used more effectively. Especially when Hightower refuses to secure the ball with two hands while being tackled
 

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McFadden ran well for the first few years, but the plays weren't drawn up to utilize his strengths and he had alot of carries given away to an inferior backs (like Fargas). The difference is that Wells is more injury prone. Time will tell, but one wonders why Beanie isn't being used more effectively. Especially when Hightower refuses to secure the ball with two hands while being tackled

McFadden's problem was going down first contact along with his lack of vision and patience. This is very similar to what Beanie is going through this year.
 

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I dont know what you guys are talking about. beanie always has a high yards per carry. he does this with a mediocre offensive line, the defense knowing hes getting the ball (because the only time hes ever in the game is if hes getting the ball) and on limited carries. he also plays this year with teams stacking the box because the cards have no QB.

Im just waiting for this guy to start and show that hes a top 5 back in this league...
 

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McFadden's problem was going down first contact along with his lack of vision and patience. This is very similar to what Beanie is going through this year.

It happens with upright runners. Larry Johnson went through the same thing in KC while he was backing up Preist Holmes. Get the man as many carries as possible so that he can develop vision and patience at the NFL speed. Hightower refuses to secure the ball while being tackled after three years of being begged to do so; so let him stand on the sideline until he listens
 

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We need to start a thread that lists the people that like certain players and people that dont. I cant stand seeing people bash one guy then rep him the next week i.e. (branch, leinart, hall, DA, TH, Whiz, Faneca etc.) beanie will get a start in the next couple weeks or get a nice amount of carries and will rip up then all of you guys will be talking about how great he is.
 

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We need to start a thread that lists the people that like certain players and people that dont. I cant stand seeing people bash one guy then rep him the next week i.e. (branch, leinart, hall, DA, TH, Whiz, Faneca etc.) beanie will get a start in the next couple weeks or get a nice amount of carries and will rip up then all of you guys will be talking about how great he is.

1. Branch is an underachiever who has had a couple of good games during his career (and actually played well in the 08/09 playoffs)

2. Leinart was a C- QB who should have started all of the 2010 season (barring injury) because he was the best QB on the squad

3. Tim Hightower shouldn't be carrying the ball because he refuses to hold onto it after more than fair pleading by the staff.

4. Whisenhunt is a great coach who made an incredibly stupid move in cutting Leinart over personal problems given the fact that DA and Max Hall were the backups

5. Faneca is a pampered has-been who should never have been signed. Hadnot was sufficient at Guard
 

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There's nothing wrong with Beanie and no indication that we're falling out of favor with him. He's not getting any blocking and it doesn't take a genius to see that.
 

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Beanie asked for more carries even after he missed the start of the season. He did so publicly. He hasn't been pro bowl style by a long shot this year. He needs to work on avoiding the first guy coming at him, instead of looking up field. That's about it on that side.

Beanie can wear down a defense. Beanie always seems to get better as the game goes, when given the touches that get him roll'n. The defense does know when he is in and does know our pass/rush ratio with Beanie in. He still gets his yards, while splitting duties.

This next part is going to sound crazy, and I am ready for the whoopin. We have to flip the script, quit being so predictable. Forget Hightower for much of the first half of the next game. Beanie in every down, Hyphen does what he does, and if you bring in Timmy, run it.

Beanie is our best chance right now at keeping our defense off the grass. Let Hall develope, with out passing more then we run. Its going to be a long season, who do you want to see have the ball. Who gives us the best chance at growing in this crazy QB season.

Whiz, you took DA out to help this offense get a chance. I am willing to ride with MAX over our other choices, but we have a #1 draft pick (yours) sitting at the running back position and an URFA at QB who needs time to say the least.
 

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Beanie asked for more carries even after he missed the start of the season. He did so publicly. He hasn't been pro bowl style by a long shot this year. He needs to work on avoiding the first guy coming at him, instead of looking up field. That's about it on that side.

Beanie can wear down a defense. Beanie always seems to get better as the game goes, when given the touches that get him roll'n. The defense does know when he is in and does know our pass/rush ratio with Beanie in. He still gets his yards, while splitting duties.

This next part is going to sound crazy, and I am ready for the whoopin. We have to flip the script, quit being so predictable. Forget Hightower for much of the first half of the next game. Beanie in every down, Hyphen does what he does, and if you bring in Timmy, run it.

Beanie is our best chance right now at keeping our defense off the grass. Let Hall develope, with out passing more then we run. Its going to be a long season, who do you want to see have the ball. Who gives us the best chance at growing in this crazy QB season.

Whiz, you took DA out to help this offense get a chance. I am willing to ride with MAX over our other choices, but we have a #1 draft pick (yours) sitting at the running back position and an URFA at QB who needs time to say the least.

^^right. Offense needs to rely on him and play action atleast until hall develops into somewhat of a threat.

He does wear down defenses and given a high amount of carries he will rip off a couple big runs of 15+ yards every game. Your also right that running the ball will keep teh D off of the field. This NEEDS to be Beanies offense for atleast the next few games if we wannt anything consistent out of the Cards offense.

Hall needs the offense to stay on the field longer for him to start feeling more comfortable; Beanie will do that for him
 
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Beanie will start this week. The fumble by TH may have been the last straw for him as a starter. The bad thing is, running the ball is going to be tough no matter who is back there because of the poor QB play.
 

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We knew when Beanie was drafted he was a guy that needed to carry the ball. Whiz needs to put him in there and let him carry the ball 20 to 30 times. I don't know what the problem is with Whiz and Beanie but Whiz needs to get over it.
 

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Beanine has 52 carries averaging 3.5 YPC

Hightower has 53 carries averaging 5.7 YPC. That plus the fact he is a better blocker and pass catcher keeps him as starter. Yes he has a fumbling problem, but so did Adrian Peterson and a lot of other top notch backs. Things like that can be corrected.

These guys both play for the Cardinals and I'll root for whomever is playing. I don't understand the hate on this board for TH. He goes full bore every time he is in the game.
 

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Agree that Beanie will start this week and get close to 25 carries. KW is a VG coach and he realizes that the QB situation is not going to improve much this year, so I'm confident that this week's game plan will be run heavy. Did anyone notice that KC put up 42 points, last week? Our former OC, and now KC HC called 39 running plays in the win. It can be done.
 

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The Bean would start and rule almost every other team in the NFL, He was a projected top 10 RB that fell to 31. just to follow up a bit on the draft scouting report.

The bean was graded higher than any other back in history at more skill sets than any other RB in history of earth. his knocks that dropped his grade was.

Work ethic, blocking, pass catching. frankly I said the scouting report was wrong then and will not back down now. evidenced by.

I've seen the Bean drop 1 pass in a reg season game and playoffs these 2 years. from the WR position, the flat, screens and TD's in the middle of traffic taking huge hits!

The Bean missed a block this last game but the scouting report was like 4. something on CBS sportsline? He aint the best blocker but he aint no scrub either He is at least an average blocking NFL RB. THT is above average, so be it.

The Beans work ethic has been 2nd to none with John Lott pushing him, His character has been elite in the community and until recently he has kept quiet and respectful aboutr carries in the face of Whiz's playcalling stupidity. 2 carries in the playoff saints game after Beanie ruled the Packers the first half playoff game against GB.

again I don't know what others are watching but its a crime not to start Beanie Wells on at least 25 teams in the NFL. much less the worst rushing team in football over the last 4 years! Whiz is an idiot He needs 7-8 carries a quarter under any circumstance before you add another play to the game plan, period.

Please read this cause not much has changed, except oppurtunities to establish the run by playcalling.



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/1117597


Positives: Extraordinary combination of size and natural running ability. Downhill runner who attacks the line of scrimmage when running inside. Shows the patience to pick and slide laterally. Good burst to and through the hole. Despite his height, generally runs with good pad level, giving defenders little to target other than his knees and shoulder pads. Rare size and leg drive to move the pile. Rare vision and lateral quickness for a back of his size. Anticipates the cutback lanes before they appear and capitalizes on them. Surprising acceleration to break through the first wave of the defense and get to the second level. Brutal stiff-arm when in the open field to bat away defenders attempting to drag him down. Despite his size, shows good breakaway speed. Final nine touchdowns against BCS opponents traveled an average of 32 yards. Good size and strength as a pass blocker. Despite his struggles with durability, some close to the program characterize him as being a tough player willing to play through pain.
Negatives: Primary concern - and the only one that will keep him from being a top 10 pick - is Wells' struggles with durability. Fought nagging injuries throughout much of his career at Ohio State and some have questioned whether he knows the difference between pain and injury. Sat out three full games and parts of several others (including the 2009 Fiesta Bowl -- his final game in a Buckeye uniform) with foot, hamstring and head (concussion) injuries. May lack natural hands for the reception. Has only caught 15 passes for 84 career yards and too often double-clutches. Inconsistent effort as a blocker. Compares To: LARRY JOHNSON, Kansas City -- Like Johnson, Wells is a power-oriented runner with a great stiff-arm, but all that pounding does come with a price - serious concerns about his durability. He has the hard-driving running style of Minnesota's Adrian Peterson, but is not as well-rounded and doesn't play with that steady fire in the belly that the best NFL backs displays. There are a lot of holes in Wells' game, but for a team needing someone to punch the ball up the gut, he is the best option in this draft.
 

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Beanine has 52 carries averaging 3.5 YPC

Hightower has 53 carries averaging 5.7 YPC. That plus the fact he is a better blocker and pass catcher keeps him as starter. Yes he has a fumbling problem, but so did Adrian Peterson and a lot of other top notch backs. Things like that can be corrected.

These guys both play for the Cardinals and I'll root for whomever is playing. I don't understand the hate on this board for TH. He goes full bore every time he is in the game.
no hate for TH just that we would like to see Beanie in a full time role and see what he can do because you can't argue that he has more talent. Other than the fumbles, I don't see now anyone can complain about the job TH has done.
 

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McFadden ran well for the first few years, but the plays weren't drawn up to utilize his strengths and he had alot of carries given away to an inferior backs (like Fargas). The difference is that Wells is more injury prone. Time will tell, but one wonders why Beanie isn't being used more effectively. Especially when Hightower refuses to secure the ball with two hands while being tackled

Are you crazy? Few players have been more injury-prone than Run DMC. He's constantly battling hamstring or ankle injuries (missed 7 games alone in his first two seasons because of injury, and was limited in many, many more).

Run DMC has 318 career carries. Next week he'll eclipse his single-season best of 113. Beanie as a rookie had 176 carries.
 
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We knew when Beanie was drafted he was a guy that needed to carry the ball. Whiz needs to put him in there and let him carry the ball 20 to 30 times. I don't know what the problem is with Whiz and Beanie but Whiz needs to get over it.
Beanie is getting the Leinart treatment...
 

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Are you crazy? Few players have been more injury-prone than Run DMC. He's constantly battling hamstring or ankle injuries (missed 7 games alone in his first two seasons because of injury, and was limited in many, many more).

Run DMC has 318 career carries. Next week he'll eclipse his single-season best of 113. Beanie as a rookie had 176 carries.

K9, I have McFadden on my fantasy league. The past week, all the pundits were talking about him being injured and questionable as to whether he would play, so I pulled him and put him on the bench. That cost me 42 points and lost the game for me. From now on, I will use my own ideas and quit reading the crap from the NFL Fantasy League. :shootsselfinfoot:
 

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Beanine has 52 carries averaging 3.5 YPC

Hightower has 53 carries averaging 5.7 YPC. That plus the fact he is a better blocker and pass catcher keeps him as starter. Yes he has a fumbling problem, but so did Adrian Peterson and a lot of other top notch backs. Things like that can be corrected.

These guys both play for the Cardinals and I'll root for whomever is playing. I don't understand the hate on this board for TH. He goes full bore every time he is in the game.

I've never been a fan of picking one RB over another because of being a better blocker. A RB should play based on his ability to run the football. But the NFL is a passing league and unless you are a Minnesota or a Tennessee you really don't have much choice.
 
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I certainly dont hate THT, but he fumbles a the most crucial times...Personally, with the way he was running--I would've put him back in and let him play throught it. Whis is playing games with both RB's and when one fumbles the other takes over and the fumbler never gets back in the game. I love what THT brings, but I believe in my heart of hearts that Beanie should be the starter and Whis needs to let him break out. Beanie should get 20-25 per game and THT should get 10-12 carries.

Whis needs to feature Wells in the 1st have with 10 to 12 carries to wear down the D's, give THT 5 carries 1st half, then pound Wells in the second half with another 15 carries.
 
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From now on, I will use my own ideas and quit reading the crap from the NFL Fantasy League. :shootsselfinfoot:
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I read somewhere that Beanie's avg per carry goes up significantly after carry 7 or 8 :too lazy to go look it up:

He may be one of those guys who needs a those carries to get in the flow of the game, etc.

By splitting with Hightower, Beanie doesnt get past those warmup carries in games where the Cards have been more than two scores behind.
 

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I've never been a fan of picking one RB over another because of being a better blocker. A RB should play based on his ability to run the football. But the NFL is a passing league and unless you are a Minnesota or a Tennessee you really don't have much choice.

I agree, but it's like picking a guy to make your roster. If he can also play special teams, you will pick him over someone who doesn't.

I bought two jerseys this year, Wilson and Wells. I could care less who starts at RB as long as they are effective. I just think TH deserves a lot of love from the fans because of the way he plays. He reminds me a lot of Larry Centers. 110% effort 100% of the time.
 

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