Is it Gentry's Fault?

[BC867]

Of course not. It's just another absurd oversimplification offered as flimsy evidence to support a myopic thesis.

Didn't you leave off the positive part of the answer? How do they select practice teams? If I knew, I wouldn't have asked.

"Absurd oversimplification -- flimsy evidence -- myopic thesis."

You need to learn how to separate work from play! And to stop insulting people who disagree with you.

Which is what participating in this board is all about. Opening yourself to different opinions and discussing their merits.

You've given me a good belly-laugh. Thank you.

 

[SirStefan32]

Gentry is fine. He is doing the best he can with the load of crap he was handed.
I disagree with him starting Lopez and starting (and even playing) Carter, but I understand why he's been doing it.

I don't think he is going anywhere, and I am looking forward to see how he does next year.

 

[Chaz]

Not putting your best unit on the floor to start each game and establish psychological control has certainly been a bug up my a$$.

He failed to establish psychological control?

It's the NBA. They are all professionals and they all have some pride and talent. Players look at the record. Nobody is going to be scared into psychological disadvantage by the Suns no matter who starts.

If any players are controlled this way they probably don't belong in the league.

 

[SweetD]

Here is how I see it. Gentry is a good coach, there where to many issues this year mainly at the start with Hedo bust, which was not his doing.


1) Gentry rolled the dice on Carter, I am sure he thought Carter would get up to speed and be ready come playoff time. This has to be the only reason he was still in the starting line up. (Remember everyone wanted to get ride of JRich the first year also, but I think Carter is done!)

2) Dudley is ready to take the starting gig from Carter and I think he will be our SG or SF depending on if Hill retires going into next season unless we are able to draft a stud SG or SF.

3) Brooks was a gamble and at times looks good but I would rather we do a sign & trade with him next year. He is an ok back up but you can finder a cheaper alternative in FA or Draft.

4) Lopez injured his back and is not 100%, I think he might have surgery at the end of the season. I am sure the Suns will try to move him or keep him on until his rookie salary runs out. Another big man that is not going to last do to injury.

5) Nash & Hill these guys have been ridden all year long and due to others not producing the minutes have been breaking them down. It is not Gentry's doing he just doesn't have many options.

6) Gortot is the real deal a big man that is everything we needed for years. The biggest thing is he is staying healthy and still developing into a good off. player.

7) WE NEED AN ATHLETIC PF, I hope we try to get Josh Smith for Atl or Look to the draft to develope one (Perry Jones). Fry is good and I think he is a very good option right now and I think he should be on the team.

All in all I think Gentry is a good coach and my expectations for this team where low with the loss of Amare. I think we could rebound next year and be back in the bottom of the West playoff teams.

 

[Covert Rain]

1) Gentry rolled the dice on Carter, I am sure he thought Carter would get up to speed and be ready come playoff time. This has to be the only reason he was still in the starting line up. (Remember everyone wanted to get ride of JRich the first year also, but I think Carter is done!)

2) Dudley is ready to take the starting gig from Carter and I think he will be our SG or SF depending on if Hill retires going into next season unless we are able to draft a stud SG or SF.

3) Brooks was a gamble and at times looks good but I would rather we do a sign & trade with him next year. He is an ok back up but you can finder a cheaper alternative in FA or Draft.

4) Lopez injured his back and is not 100%, I think he might have surgery at the end of the season. I am sure the Suns will try to move him or keep him on until his rookie salary runs out. Another big man that is not going to last do to injury.

5) Nash & Hill these guys have been ridden all year long and due to others not producing the minutes have been breaking them down. It is not Gentry's doing he just doesn't have many options.

6) Gortot is the real deal a big man that is everything we needed for years. The biggest thing is he is staying healthy and still developing into a good off. player.

7) WE NEED AN ATHLETIC PF, I hope we try to get Josh Smith for Atl or Look to the draft to develope one (Perry Jones). Fry is good and I think he is a very good option right now and I think he should be on the team.

All in all I think Gentry is a good coach and my expectations for this team where low with the loss of Amare. I think we could rebound next year and be back in the bottom of the West playoff teams.

Gentry didn't roll the dice on Carter whatsoever. That was part of getting Gortat. The front office was just hoping he could do some of what JRich did. Gentry's mistake was sticking with him this long and Lopez too long. It cost the Suns games IMO. I personally feel like the team is underachieving. We have lost several games since the All-star break where we have had leads or opportunities to win.

The Gentry hiring was a good hiring because of his knowledge of the system that we run for Nash. He is a good fit on this team because the players are comfortable with him. Having said that, when the Nash era is over, Gentry should be too IMO. His judgment this season has convinced me he is not what the Suns need in the long term at head coach.

 

[jibikao]

As much as I want Gortat to start, I think it's a bit risky to do rotation change in probably the most important game of the season.

Many want Gortat to start for a while. Gentry couldn't/didn't want to hurt Lopez and Carter's pride until the most important game.. a little too late maybe?

 

[sunsfan88]

Is there any chance that we fire Gentry and hire Rick Adelman?

I think that one move would make up for a lot of wrongs Sarver has committed to the Phoenix Suns.

 

[AfroSuns]

Is there any chance that we fire Gentry and hire Rick Adelman?

I think that one move would make up for a lot of wrongs Sarver has committed to the Phoenix Suns.

Will Nash be traded? i say that is more likely to happen if they are looking at changing the current system.

 

[boisesuns]

I think a new coach will not make much of a difference either way. With the same roster, or some upgrades, the best they can do is some lineup shifts to add a few wins here and there.

Other coaches may have been able to gameplan and tweak the rotation better for a few games difference, but we still have to have players than can make defensive stops and score the ball when we need a key basket.

If it meant a winning enough extra making the playoffs, it would be worth it, but we need better players to get further than a 8 seed and first round exit.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Of course not. It's just another absurd oversimplification offered as flimsy evidence to support a myopic thesis.

You have such a way with words, E. But I agree. As soon as I saw this poll I knew the "Gortat should be starting" thing would come up all over again.

Gentry did Gortat a great favor. He allowed him to play substantial minutes against the other team's second string center. This allowed Gortat to adjust to more playing time while building his confidence against lesser competition.

All of Lopez' minutes came against fresh first-teamers. That, coupled with being pulled fairly quickly, probably did not do much for his confidence.

Give Gentry credit for playing for the future and preparing players. I do not think we could attract a better coach than Gentry.

 

[Covert Rain]

You have such a way with words, E. But I agree. As soon as I saw this poll I knew the "Gortat should be starting" thing would come up all over again.

Gentry did Gortat a great favor. He allowed him to play substantial minutes against the other team's second string center. This allowed Gortat to adjust to more playing time while building his confidence against lesser competition.

All of Lopez' minutes came against fresh first-teamers. That, coupled with being pulled fairly quickly, probably did not do much for his confidence.

Give Gentry credit for playing for the future and preparing players. I do not think we could attract a better coach than Gentry.

That might have been the end results but you give Gentry too much credit. Using Gentry's own words that is not why he did it. He said that Lopez was the Suns future. He said Lopez was our "guy" at center. He said that he wanted to build Lopez's confidence. I don't think he intentionally torpedoed Lopez by starting him against starting centers anymore than I think he was trying to build up Gortat's confidence by playing him against 2nd string centers.

First off Gortat may have started on 2nd stringers but most games he ended up playing the starters after the 1st and 3rd. Second, I really think Gentry thought that Lopez could blossom into starting material this season and was determined to prove it no matter what.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The last point still stands. We could not attract a better coach than Gentry.

 

[desertdawg]

The last point still stands. We could not attract a better coach than Gentry.

Disagree.

 

[Mainstreet]

The last point still stands. We could not attract a better coach than Gentry.

Rick Adelman?

 

[BC867]

The last point still stands. We could not attract a better coach than Gentry.

If we start anew at Point Guard, it would make sense to do the same at Head Coach, with Gentry being a holdover from the D'Antoni days.

If we keep and overplay Nash again, it would make no sense to bring in a new Head Coach.

And to put it another way, if we keep and overplay Nash again, it would make no sense . . . period.