Is it possible for the front office to make good with Q?

[1DS]

We've all heard his stance on this. The front office promised Anquan a new deal before the beginning of the season, that didn't happen and now Anquan feels strongly enough about this that he is unwilling to re-up with us.

So, CAN they make this right with him?

It's clear that Boldin has his principles and keeping a word is one of them. They broke a promise to him and now he's done with them. Can they sit down with Anquan, one to one (no agents, no coaches) and apologize to him. Say, "Yes, Anquan... we screwed up. But we have gone through so much together, you have been such a huge part of helping us come of age as a unit. We both want the same thing, how can we show you that we deserved a second chance?”. Can they explain their side? Surely they have a logical explanation...

The organization certainly took care of him after his 2nd year.

Or, is Anquan just shutting it all, unwilling to hear anything we have to say?

That is the question....

 

[ajcardfan]

Sure they can make up.

 

[Cody]

its boldin..money talks.

 

[Stout]

The problem that I have, going only by the information we the fans have, is that they DIDN'T break a promise to them. Q tried to pull some Rosenpuke tactic and it backfired BIG TIME, and now he's trying to put it all back on the FO.

Believe me, I've been no ally of the front office over the years. Still, they offered him a new deal. Now, of course we don't know what the deal was like, but it'd have been his second pay raise in five years, if I have my numbers right. How many players get that? And what was Q's response? He didn't even try a counter offer. He wanted to wait until Fitz's deal got done. Well, when you do that, there's no guarantee there'll be anything left over. I think he's cheesed over screwing HIMSELF over, and he (and more importantly, his scum agent) has talked himself into believing it's the FO's fault.

Like I said, we probably don't know the whole story, but this is going off of what we do know.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Forget Q. We dont need him.

 

[Perfectionist]

Forget Q. We dont need him.

We might not need him on the field, but we need him to help make this team better. I can't wait to see what starts happening in the next few days (weeks) to see the direction this team takes. Before we always new what would happen, anything that cost money was out the door. The team has turned the corner and hopefully the front office is right behind them.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

No. Q has essentially taken his ball and gone home.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Q will never play more than 10-12 games a year and thats if he is lucky. He is wearing down fast and who can blame it he plays very physical. Not worth the money he wants imo. We have other needs.

 

[cardsfanmd]

The problem that I have, going only by the information we the fans have, is that they DIDN'T break a promise to them. Q tried to pull some Rosenpuke tactic and it backfired BIG TIME, and now he's trying to put it all back on the FO.

Believe me, I've been no ally of the front office over the years. Still, they offered him a new deal. Now, of course we don't know what the deal was like, but it'd have been his second pay raise in five years, if I have my numbers right. How many players get that? And what was Q's response? He didn't even try a counter offer. He wanted to wait until Fitz's deal got done. Well, when you do that, there's no guarantee there'll be anything left over. I think he's cheesed over screwing HIMSELF over, and he (and more importantly, his scum agent) has talked himself into believing it's the FO's fault.

Like I said, we probably don't know the whole story, but this is going off of what we do know.

But we do know what the team offered and it was a slap in the face. They offgered to give him like a 1 or 2 mill dollar bonus to his existing salary for the reaining few years. That still would only have him earning 1/2 of what Fitz gets. I am not condoning what Q's done, but I do understand why he was pissed.

 

[Metcalf Rules]

No. Q has essentially taken his ball and gone home.

He could have at least tossed the ball back to Warner so he could bomb it 50 yards to Fitzgerald for a great leaping catch in the endzone against three defenders.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

But we do know what the team offered and it was a slap in the face. They offgered to give him like a 1 or 2 mill dollar bonus to his existing salary for the reaining few years. That still would only have him earning 1/2 of what Fitz gets. I am not condoning what Q's done, but I do understand why he was pissed.

agreed but the problem with that is he just re-did a contract. THe Cards just gave him a signinficnat signing bonus and now he wanted anoter one. As much as i've been on Graves, it's a 2 way street. The Cards acknowledged he out performed his contract and offered to increase his pay. Boldin wants another big signing bonus and thinks it's a slap in the face that the Cards didn't roll over and give it to him. I remember Boldin complaining that there wasn't any more guaranteed money in the Cards offer. He just seems to want it his way or nothing at all. Then, the fact that the Cards hold all the leverage has to piss him off even more.

 

[Stout]

But we do know what the team offered and it was a slap in the face. They offgered to give him like a 1 or 2 mill dollar bonus to his existing salary for the reaining few years. That still would only have him earning 1/2 of what Fitz gets. I am not condoning what Q's done, but I do understand why he was pissed.

What C-bus said. Granted, he probably should have gotten more, but instead of exchanging proposals, he went the stubborn way and wanted to wait to see what Fitz got. Well, he waited too damn long, so that's on him. Yes, he should have gotten more than what the Cards offered, but he shouldn't have gotten the kitchen sink, and he should have kept negotiations going. You play the 'take my ball home' wait and see approach, and it isn't always going to work.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

We've all heard his stance on this. The front office promised Anquan a new deal before the beginning of the season, that didn't happen and now Anquan feels strongly enough about this that he is unwilling to re-up with us.

So, CAN they make this right with him?

It's clear that Boldin has his principles and keeping a word is one of them. They broke a promise to him and now he's done with them. Can they sit down with Anquan, one to one (no agents, no coaches) and apologize to him. Say, "Yes, Anquan... we screwed up. But we have gone through so much together, you have been such a huge part of helping us come of age as a unit. We both want the same thing, how can we show you that we deserved a second chance?”. Can they explain their side? Surely they have a logical explanation...

The organization certainly took care of him after his 2nd year.

Or, is Anquan just shutting it all, unwilling to hear anything we have to say?

That is the question....

In passing: The Cards took care of themselves when they signed Q to a new contract. This isn't a charity... it's a business... and the decision to offer Q a new deal was a decision by the Cards to protect an asset.

 

[Skkorpion]

To answer the thread question -- I don't care if we smooth things over with Boldin. If he's here, good. If he's not, good. I'll cheer for the players and team we do have.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

To answer the thread question -- I don't care if we smooth things over with Boldin. If he's here, good. If he's not, good. I'll cheer for the players and team we do have.

Amen to that!

Before the SB I heard a radio interview with Michael Irvin who went on and on about what good friends he and Boldin are. Irvin stated that, basically, Boldin's feelings had been hurt. Boldin loves the guys he plays with, loves living in AZ, loves his house, loves Girl Scout cookies, blah, blah, blah. Irvin stated that Q told him that if mgmt said "I'm sorry" and made it up to him in his paycheck, he'd be pleased as punch to be back here for 2009.

For what that's worth.

 

[imaCafan]

I understand the antics and posturing that goes on in trying to get the most $$$ for your play, but Q has taken it a bit too far. I personally am to the point now (since his post SB rant) that I hope the John Henderson or MJD rumors (or something comparable) come to fruition and we get a player of need and draft picks. If Kurt comes back and we get a legit (and upgraded) RB to take Edge's spot I believe we will be just as good without Boldin, and can address the defense better......

 

[Jetstream Green]

waiting for Fitzgerald's contract really did not benefit Q because if he then wanted to use that as a guideline of getting equal money...well, Fitz's playoff performance would distant any team from signing Q to equal money and if Q and Rosenpuke planned to use that as the measuring stick of what Q would get payed...what a major screw up

 

[Ryanwb]

I agree with many of the posters here. The Cardinals gave him a new contract which he signed and appear to be willing to re-negotiate. I'm sure there were some issues we may not be privy to, but in the media and to the fans, Anquan looks selfish. It's really a shame because Anquan is one of those players who the fans can allign with and should have a home here for his career.

 

[Shane]

I agree with many of the posters here. The Cardinals gave him a new contract which he signed and appear to be willing to re-negotiate. I'm sure there were some issues we may not be privy to, but in the media and to the fans, Anquan looks selfish. It's really a shame because Anquan is one of those players who the fans can allign with and should have a home here for his career.

He only looks selfish because the majority of the fans believe the team lived up to there side of the bargain when they offered that bush league contract.

That's not selfish. It was a slap in the face. He feels slighted and thats all that matters. He is the only one that needs to feel that way.

If Graves and ownership truly told Q that they would renegotiate if he made multiple PB's then shame on them. They made this mess. If they didnt then shame on Q. I tend to belive Q. Others tend to believe the organization. When did we ever think that was possible.

 

[82CardsGrad]

He only looks selfish because the majority of the fans believe the team lived up to there side of the bargain when they offered that bush league contract.

That's not selfish. It was a slap in the face. He feels slighted and thats all that matters. He is the only one that needs to feel that way.

If Graves and ownership truly told Q that they would renegotiate if he made multiple PB's then shame on them. They made this mess. If they didnt then shame on Q. I tend to belive Q. Others tend to believe the organization. When did we ever think that was possible.

Yes, yes, yes.... poor 'lil Q. He "might" have been told something that didn't pan out "exactly" like he thought it would... How F'in terrible....
Meanwhile, 'lil Q gets a new contract with $10 million guaranteed... Gets paid $2.75 million or so in salary, and has the ability to carve out yet another new deal which would most like net him somewhere in the area of 8-9 million a year and another boat-load of guaranteed $$ on the best offense in football...
But, 'lil Q believes he was told a lie... Poor baby...

SEE YA!

 

[Shane]

Yes, yes, yes.... poor 'lil Q. He "might" have been told something that didn't pan out "exactly" like he thought it would... How F'in terrible....
Meanwhile, 'lil Q gets a new contract with $10 million guaranteed... Gets paid $2.75 million or so in salary, and has the ability to carve out yet another new deal which would most like net him somewhere in the area of 8-9 million a year and another boat-load of guaranteed $$ on the best offense in football...
But, 'lil Q believes he was told a lie... Poor baby...

SEE YA!

Im sure you would feel that way if your bosses promised you something you didnt get.

The 10 million guaranteed is really irrelevant at this point in time. It cant even be argued that he hasent outplayed that contract. Anybody with half a brain knows that and so does every single sports guy talking about it.

 

[CardinalChris]

We often hear what supports our feelings and discount that which does not. As the sender of a message like that, we often think our meaning is clear, when it can be interpreted as something much different.

The key here is that if you want a promise like that, make the contract voidable after 2 pro-bowls. In negotiations you NEVER take a word of mouth promise for anything other than conversation. Bad job by just about everybody involved, but I have to say even if he was bold faced lied to, an especially bad job to the agent. They know better.

 

[Stout]

He only looks selfish because the majority of the fans believe the team lived up to there side of the bargain when they offered that bush league contract.

That's not selfish. It was a slap in the face. He feels slighted and thats all that matters. He is the only one that needs to feel that way.

If Graves and ownership truly told Q that they would renegotiate if he made multiple PB's then shame on them. They made this mess. If they didnt then shame on Q. I tend to belive Q. Others tend to believe the organization. When did we ever think that was possible.

Simple question for you, Shane. Doesn't Q know the meaning of the phrase counter offer? He pissy rants and complaints hold NO water. Instead of acting like an immature child, he and his agent should have made a counter offer, and maybe negotiations would have progressed. Instead they tried to play it slick and 'wait and see' what Fitz got. It screwed Q big time, and now a lot of factors are going into his little hissy fits, and none of them lay at the FO's feet.

 

[Shane]

Simple question for you, Shane. Doesn't Q know the meaning of the phrase counter offer? He pissy rants and complaints hold NO water. Instead of acting like an immature child, he and his agent should have made a counter offer, and maybe negotiations would have progressed. Instead they tried to play it slick and 'wait and see' what Fitz got. It screwed Q big time, and now a lot of factors are going into his little hissy fits, and none of them lay at the FO's feet.

That offer was as bush league as it gets. True to this organizations reputation. He had every right to be pissed especially if the FO promised him what Q says they did. Which I'm inclined to believe since THEY DID MAKE AN OFFER!

Im dissapointed in Q and the way he has acted. However it doesnt make me mad or hate him or wish he were out of here. After all he has given this organization the last 6 years I can give him a pass on a temper tantrum no matter how out of character it is.

Q is a man of priciple and that offer IS such a slap in the face I can see why it has gotten where it has. Doesnt matter if I agree with it.

 

[Stout]

That offer was as bush league as it gets. True to this organizations reputation. He had every right to be pissed especially if the FO promised him what Q says they did. Which I'm inclined to believe since THEY DID MAKE AN OFFER!

Im dissapointed in Q and the way he has acted. However it doesnt make me mad or hate him or wish he were out of here. After all he has given this organization the last 6 years I can give him a pass on a temper tantrum no matter how out of character it is.

Q is a man of priciple and that offer IS such a slap in the face I can see why it has gotten where it has. Doesnt matter if I agree with it.

Offering to give him more money after getting a lucrative new contract 1 year earlier is a slap in the face? Yeah, the money may not have been good, and no, it probably wasn't an offer of what he was worth, but still. Might it have been a 'take this now and we'll get you what we can later'? Might it have been a starting point? Might it have simply been a lowball? We can't know. All we can know is that Q and his agent broke talks off and played the waiting game. That, and an offer was made. So, he doesn't come off well at all in his multiple temper tantrums. Not singular---multiple.

I certainly can understand him being really upset about a lowball offer, and I can understand how that would be a slap in the face to him. To be a professional and to do well in getting a new contract, you have to put emotion aside and work from there. If that's seriously all this is, an extended temper tantrum, then he's not much of a man.

I think Q is upset from the initial offer, yes, of course. I think he's also upset with himself and his agent for playing a stupid negotiation-without-negotiation tactic that completely backfired. I think Q is upset that Fitz is the one that got the big money instead of him. Then there's the fact that Fitz is considered either the best WR in the game or the 2nd best, and Q is left so far behind. I think it all rolls up in a giant ball of angst, and that's what's driving his feelings on the issue. That, and his scumbag agent. I think, in Q's mind, he needs to go somewhere else and prove he can still be THE guy.

Of course, that's all complete speculation. I could be way off base, but I think I'm on the money. As a human I can't blame him for it, but as a fan and as someone who follows football I absolutely can and will fault him for how he is acting.