Is it time to trade Nash?

[Trifecta]

I believe its time(especially in light of todays trade) for the SUNS to sit down with Nash and discuss the possibilities of moving him to a contender or somewhere else where he can do what he does.

Babby at the Press Conference announcing the trade:
“Steve Nash is the sun, moon and the stars of this franchise and we appreciate that and we understand that. If that doesn’t convey the message than I’ve failed to convey the message of his importance to this franchise.”

Sarver:
"This deal has nothing to do with [trading] Nash. We have no intention to trade him."

http://valleyofthesuns.com/#ixzz18XmlVvX9​

Like it or hate it, he's not going anywhere until he hangs em up. That's just how it is.

 

[mojorizen7]

Babby at the Press Conference announcing the trade:

“Steve Nash is the sun, moon and the stars of this franchise and we appreciate that and we understand that. If that doesn’t convey the message than I’ve failed to convey the message of his importance to this franchise.”​

Sarver:
"This deal has nothing to do with [trading] Nash. We have no intention to trade him." ​

Like it or hate it, he's not going anywhere until he hangs em up. That's just how it is.

Thx for posting.
Thats too bad.....not for Nash,but for the franchise.

 

[jagu]

I don't think its bad for the franchise. The likelihood of us getting anything other than cap space back is slim. He is still an elite point guard as well. Why not just let him finish it up here?

 

[Chaplin]

Whatever his age, Nash is still better than 85% of the point guards in the NBA. Easily.

If he request a trade, then we can go from there, but it appears that he hasn't done that. I'm not sure trading him behind his back is doing him a favor.

 

[AnotherHOMER]

Yes. Please. Right after we let Amare walk..

 

[mojorizen7]

Whatever his age, Nash is still better than 85% of the point guards in the NBA. Easily.

If he request a trade, then we can go from there, but it appears that he hasn't done that. I'm not sure trading him behind his back is doing him a favor.

Behind his back? LOL
This is a sports franchise not a corporation. Steve Nash is not a shareholder,he's a basketball player.

 

[SirStefan32]

Thx for posting.
Thats too bad.....not for Nash,but for the franchise.

I don't think it's that bad. How teams treat their people probably plays a huge part in people's decisions to sign as free agents.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'll believe that when i see it. My hunch is that the SUNS radar is strictly fixed on finding another PG to build around....and the prerequisite will be strictly "can he shoot and pass?"

If there's a change in ownership(once Nash retires) there's a chance for a change in culture. Thats all i've got to hope for.

One guy that has been on my radar as one of the young, very under-rated PGs in the league is Darren Collision.

He was completely tearing it up when he was starting with New Orleans (when CP3 got injured) but he hasn't played as good with Indiana because Granger dominates the ball and Collision rarely gets a chance to run the offense.

Could be a nice player here. I doubt he's as good as Nash but from the "available PGs" list he'd be the next best thing.

 

[mojorizen7]

I don't think it's that bad. How teams treat their people probably plays a huge part in people's decisions to sign as free agents.

Yeah i've heard this side of the argument before and i do have to agree with that.
I just dont think that the hypothetical situation of the SUNS deciding that they need to move Nash at this point in his career would be viewed as a black eye,certainly not to near the extent everyone(here) thinks it would be.....especially if you move him to a contender.

Would the Celtics be looked upon negatively if they traded Kevin Garnett?
There are other examples i've brought up before....

Now, if we were to trade him to someone like the Clippers then yeah....thats a classless act.

BTW thx SirStefan,and to those of you are actually trying to have a discussion w/me on this subject without blowing a gasket and getting your homer panties in a wad.
I appreciate that.

 

[devilalum]

The only way this changes is if Nash speaks up and says he wants to play for another team. I may be wrong but I don't think that will happen no matter how bad it gets.

 

[mojorizen7]

The only way this changes is if Nash speaks up and says he wants to play for another team. I may be wrong but I don't think that will happen no matter how bad it gets.

If you're right what does that tell you about Nash?

It tells me that Nash is okay with staying put and not contending for a title in the next couple years. Some people may find that an admirable POV. I think i could handle that kind of POV from a guy like Grant Hill,but not from the face of the franchise and the teams best player.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If you're right what does that tell you about Nash?

It tells me that Nash is okay with staying put and not contending for a title in the next couple years. Some people may find that an admirable POV. I think i could handle that kind of POV from a guy like Grant Hill,but not from the face of the franchise and the teams best player.

We usually agree more often than not but we're at opposite ends on this one. I think chasing a ring is a bad thing. I think earning a ring is a good thing. And I have very little respect for the player who demands a trade when the going gets tough. I'd have no problem with Steve walking into Sarver's office and telling him he's willing to do whatever is best for this organization (stay or leave) but that's about as far as I'd go with this.

I don't think Luc Longley's championship ring makes him a "winner" anymore than Steve Nash's ring-less career makes him a "loser". Nash has done things the right way and I don't want to see that change. I'm all for this organization starting over with a more defensive mindset but I don't want to see Nash sell out and if we move him, it should be a comfortable decision on both sides.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

I don't think Luc Longley's championship ring makes him a "winner" anymore than Steve Nash's ring-less career makes him a "loser". Nash has done things the right way and I don't want to see that change. I'm all for this organization starting over with a more defensive mindset but I don't want to see Nash sell out and if we move him, it should be a comfortable decision on both sides.

Steve

I agree Steve,but i was trying to reference the point that was brought up about how teams treat their star players. I don't think trading Steve Nash at this point in his career(and with the current state of the SUNS) would be a blackeye on the franchise around the league,which has been brought up several times. Its a valid argument, but imo its a little myopic in this situation. Nash is 38 years old and this team is going nowhere.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I agree Steve,but i was trying to reference the point that was brought up about how teams treat their star players. I don't think trading Steve Nash at this point in his career(and with the current state of the SUNS) would be a blackeye on the franchise around the league,which has been brought up several times. Its a valid argument, but imo its a little myopic in this situation. Nash is 38 years old and this team is going nowhere.

I wouldn't force Nash out if he wasn't willing to go but I suspect he'd gladly take a trade to the right place if approached properly. With Sarver's rep though, we really can't afford to alienate someone like Nash who is so well regarded nationally (at least by the media).

IMO, the logical time to move Nash was the day that Amare left us so I'm doubtful we'll move him during the season. The denials by Sarver and company don't give me pause though as we know we'd never get a straight answer on an issue such as this. Regardless, we both know it's time to rebuild.

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

Behind his back? LOL
This is a sports franchise not a corporation. Steve Nash is not a shareholder,he's a basketball player.

True, but Steve Nash is a special case. No question about it. I can't believe you question that.

 

[Chaplin]

I wouldn't force Nash out if he wasn't willing to go but I suspect he'd gladly take a trade to the right place if approached properly. With Sarver's rep though, we really can't afford to alienate someone like Nash who is so well regarded nationally (at least by the media).

IMO, the logical time to move Nash was the day that Amare left us so I'm doubtful we'll move him during the season. The denials by Sarver and company don't give me pause though as we know we'd never get a straight answer on an issue such as this. Regardless, we both know it's time to rebuild.

Steve

The media consistently quotes the Suns brass as saying they won't trade Nash--and yesterday they even added "unless he asks for one". So it's out there--they would explore trading him if he asked. If he doesn't ask, then what are you going to do? He knows he can ask, he has the opportunity to ask, it's his decision.

And contrary to public opinion, Nash can help in the rebuilding process. Perhaps that's why he wants to stay.

 

[Covert Rain]

But Carter, Gortat AND Pietrus should more than exceed JRich and Hedo (and Clark).

I am not convinced about Carter at all. He is often injured and takes 5 games here and 5 games there. Plus he appears to have lost a step.

JRich > Carter.

Gortat should be better then Lopez and Pietrus is better then any PF we have on this roster (even though he is a SF) but is not starting material IMO either. Neither Gortat or Pietrus will probably tear it up offensively. So, that means we are going to rely on Carter (assuming he plays).

We might a little better but losing JRich is huge IMO. He was playing like the best or one of best SG in the entire league this year.

My guess is if that if Carter has a good game and Gortat and Pietrus show up even a little offensively the Suns might look good at times. However, I bet we are going to go as Carter goes offensively. If he struggles I am thinking the Suns are going to struggle offensively.

Rebounding = Better
Defense = Better
Offense = Depends on Carter

 

[dodie53]

is childress really being shopped?

 

[devilalum]

Pietrus is better then any PF we have on this roster but is not starting material IMO either.

 

[Errntknght]

DarenG,

...Pietrus is better then any PF we have on this roster but is not starting material IMO either.

Pietrus is a SF and at 6'6 215 he probably can't play PF even for the Suns.

 

[Covert Rain]

DarenG,

Pietrus is a SF and at 6'6 215 he probably can't play PF even for the Suns.

He is a SF that the suns will almost guaranteed play at PF. Why wouldn't they? They played Turk there and he wasn't. They play AW there and he plays like a SF much of the time. I just find it hard to believe that Peitrus won't find time there.

Maybe I am wrong but that is what I am assuming. I see the Suns playing with a new staring lineup moving Lopez to the bench, possibly starting AW still but playing Peitrus off the bench almost right away.

If you have Grant in at SF, Dudley at SF and other players at SF....where does Peitrus fit in? I don't see the Suns not playing him with his supposed defense being a key factor for bringing him in. I guess they could still have Grant covering PF like he has been the past few weeks but something tells me we will see Peitrus out there with either Grant or Dudley much for the rest of the season.

 

[sunsfan88]

He is a SF that the suns will almost guaranteed play at PF. Why wouldn't they? They played Turk there and he wasn't. They play AW there and he is too short. I just find it hard to believe that Peitrus won't find time there.

Maybe I am wrong but that is what I am assuming.

Maybe because they have Channing Frye, Robin Lopez, Earl Barron, Hakim Warrick & Marcin Gortat all healthy.

I gurantee you Pietrus will not play PF. Turkoglu was 6'6 so he had the height but just not weight to play the PF position.

 

[Covert Rain]

Maybe because they have Channing Frye, Robin Lopez, Earl Barron, Hakim Warrick & Marcin Gortat all healthy.

I gurantee you Pietrus will not play PF. Turkoglu was 6'6 so he had the height but just not weight to play the PF position.

Lopez is a non-factor and you will not see him playing PF. Frye is probably going to play lots at PF but are you telling me the Suns are going to abandon small ball and play with a standard lineup for most of the game? I will believe it when I see it.

This team needs to run with Nash. Barron? Come on. When this team needs to move the ball....Frye will move to center like he always does and they will play two small forwards.

I would love the Suns to play a more traditional lineup but do you really think they can pull that off during the season?

 

[sunsfan88]

If you have Grant in at SF, Dudley at SF and other players at SF....where does Peitrus fit in? I don't see the Suns not playing him with his supposed defense being a key factor for bringing him in. I guess they could still have Grant covering PF like he has been the past few weeks but something tells me we will see Peitrus out there with either Grant or Dudley much for the rest of the season.

At backup SG. He'll play guard no doubt.

 

[sunsfan88]

Lopez is a non-factor and you will not see him playing PF. Frye is probably going to play lots at PF but are you telling me the Suns are going to abandon small ball and play with a standard lineup for most of the game? I will believe it when I see it.

This team needs to run with Nash. Barron? Come on. When this team needs to move the ball....Frye will move to center like he always does and they will play two small forwards.

I would love the Suns to play a more traditional lineup but do you really think they can pull that off during the season?

Yea because who the hell is gonna play backup SG then?

Dudley & Childress are way more effective as SFs. Childress doesn't even have the shooting ability to play SG in our system.