Is Marion the weak link?

[Greg Popovich]

I am trying to recall if the Matrix has ever had a good game against the Spurs, either in reg season or playoffs.

Sometimes, a player just does not match up well against another team. I think Bowen in the past has defended Marion when the two teams faced off.

Who is a potential Suns player who could start over Marion?

 

[kps0001]

I am trying to recall if the Matrix has ever had a good game against the Spurs, either in reg season or playoffs.

Sometimes, a player just does not match up well against another team. I think Bowen in the past has defended Marion when the two teams faced off.

Who is a potential Suns player who could start over Marion?

Nobody is going to start in front of Marion unless he is out with an inury.

 

[Greg Popovich]

Even if he does not match up well against SA?

 

[mribnik]

The pick-n-roll with Marion and Nash was working pretty well last game in the 4th quarter. Hopefully the Suns run a lot of those in the first quarter to get Marion, Amare and even KT going if he starts.

 

[kps0001]

Yes. Would San Antonio sit any of their top 3 players earing the max if they don't matchup well against an opponent? He gives us the best chance than any one sitting on the bench so they have to stick with him.

 

[kps0001]

I know Marion is taking a lot of heat for game 1 but he put up 16pts and 6 boards. I don't see Jalen Rose, Pat Burke, Piatkowski or even Diaw doing that if they played their best game of the year. Diaw maybe but Marion is capable of a lot more on a decent night.

 

[NastyOne]

While i'd trade Marion for the likes of Jermaine O'Neal, Lamar Odom, Gerald Wallace, Pau Gasol, Elton Brand, KG, Zach Randolph and a few other talented forwards in the NBA. Hes still not the weaklink on this team and hes far from it.

Mike D'Antoni is the weakest link and until he starts acting like a headcoach instead of an assistant, he'll always be our weakest link.

As headcoach you have to put your players into a position to perform up to their top capabilities and he didnt do that on Sunday.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Even if he does not match up well against SA?

No, it's really irrelevant considering the Suns don't go deeper than 7, 8 if your feeling Unior's 9 actually counts.

This is not the time to experiment with unknows, you pretty much have to go with what you got.

 

[Covert Rain]

I am trying to recall if the Matrix has ever had a good game against the Spurs, either in reg season or playoffs.

Sometimes, a player just does not match up well against another team. I think Bowen in the past has defended Marion when the two teams faced off.

Who is a potential Suns player who could start over Marion?

Nobody. What D'Antoni needs to do is put Marion in a position to succeed. Matching him up against a penetrating point guard is ridiculous no matter how good defensively he is.

 

[kps0001]

Nobody. What D'Antoni needs to do is put Marion in a position to succeed. Matching him up against a penetrating point guard is ridiculous no matter how good defensively he is.

Agree 100%.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

if Marcus banks get minutes, he can disrupt TP. The suns could still run and gun but they need diaw to be a better playmaker.

the problem I have with shawn is, he is not physical. Last season I thought PHx became a better team when raja bell clotheslined kobe. we were down 3-1. it doesnt matter you have to fight for evry possesion. Shawn marion plays like a wussy. when you have a guard that makes a living in the paint and just beat you off the dribble, you knock him down and make him think twice about going in there again.

Shawn has done his soft fouls before when we were up by 3 vs wizards he softly bumped gilbert whoi made a spectacular shot but hwen you are up by 3 you make sure he doesnt make it.

Phx will lose this series becuase they lack the intimidator inside whichj makes it hard to control the paint. SHawn is not that guy but shawn is going to be making 16 million next year. He is talented and helps phx out a lot but He still depends on nash to be effective. he is limited on offense and is pushed around on defense by bigger PF.

Its true I am harsh on shawn but He is an all star and he should start to play like it. Lamar Odom with one shoulder and a bad elbow outplayed him. He got beat to rebounds and he scored at will.

I love shawn but he is not worth 16 million. NAsh is only making 11 and amare is making 14. Diaw is overpaid and so is Shawn. he is the 4th best player on the team but he is the highest paid.

If nash was getting 16 million I would not be complaining. the fact is marion is a garbage man and if phx as a team just work on fundementals shawn is expendable.

I dont think he will have a good game 2. I dont see how this game is different from the games he plays vs the spurs in seasons past. He is in no means a clutch player. when was the last time he made a game wining shot or tip in.

Phx has proven it can win in the regular season but the playoffs is where it counts. they went to WCF last 2 yrs and i think they wont get there this season. They do need to mature with one another but shawn's contarct is too big. He is an allstar player with a superstar salary.


I Love marion but he has become the sleeper of his draft class to an inconsistent, overrated role player.

 

[SO91]

Clutch is not always the guy that makes the shot buddy. Shawn is the most effective when he's active, which he certainly wasn't for most of game 1. We've all seen him have games where he seems to be everywhere, tipping passes, disrupting passing lanes, blocking and altering shots, then running down the court after he tips a pass and finishing. It's true he depends on other guys to get his points, but he needs to play all out, all game every game, and unfortunately he doesn't always do that. Going back to my point of being clutch, he's usually the guy getting the big rebound that allows someone else to make that shot. You may not think that's important, but I sure as hell do.

 

[ma_falaa_50]

did he do any of that in game one? or vs the spurs the last 3 yrs? is he worth 16 million? I say no.

 

[Covert Rain]

did he do any of that in game one? or vs the spurs the last 3 yrs? is he worth 16 million? I say no.

I say the mere fact that he does things no other SF in the NBA does on a nightly basis means yes for me. Marion wasn't the problem in game 1. It was D'Antoni.

 

[SO91]

is that what you refered to when you mentioned clutch? You certainly didn't specify this series or this team. And I know people love to bring up his salary, but I don't judge a guy based on how much he earns. I'm sure that will be unpopular here, but it's my opinion and I don't expect many to agree with me.

 

[Skkorpion]

ma falaa, every time I venture to visit the Suns board, I read a couple of posts like yours and am immediately reminded why I stay away. Thank you.

 

[kps0001]

ma falaa, every time I venture to visit the Suns board, I read a couple of posts like yours and am immediately reminded why I stay away. Thank you.

Well with insight like that I know we are all saddened by your absence.

 

[Mulli]

Well with insight like that I know we are all saddened by your absence.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Nobody. What D'Antoni needs to do is put Marion in a position to succeed. Matching him up against a penetrating point guard is ridiculous no matter how good defensively he is.

Agree 100%.

Lets break this down. Do we match him up against, Duncan? Nope, Oberto/Elson, maybe but nope. Ginobili? This may be the only option, but Raja is already play superb against him. If you move him to Parker and try to fix that problem, you will be gaining another one in Ginobili.

On offense, he is either being smothered by Bowen, or hanging around the perimeter. He should be crashing the boards on offense but he isn't. I understand the need to want him back in transition if Parker is his man. But since Bell is most likely on the perimeter, he can at least guard him if Parker goes on the fast break from Marion crashing the offensive boards. Bell on Parker a few possessions a game will be fine.

Marion needs to step up and play a better game defensively. It is as simple as that.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

ma falaa, every time I venture to visit the Suns board, I read a couple of posts like yours and am immediately reminded why I stay away. Thank you.

Well with insight like that I know we are all saddened by your absence.

I'll enlighten you. I would venture to say that it has to do with his lack of grammar in his posts. They are very hard to read.

 

[sunsfn]

ma falaa, every time I venture to visit the Suns board, I read a couple of posts like yours and am immediately reminded why I stay away. Thank you.

I am back reading the rest of the posts, but earlier I did exactly what you are saying. I read ma fallaa post and closed down the site without reading any others!

 

[Black Jesus]

Marion is without a doubt the weak link on our team... He is a head case, and overrated... Yes you heard right, he is OVERRATED. I have never heard a players name mentioned so much and then hear that they never get recognition. In my opinion he gets too much recognition because lets look at him for what he is... A GARBAGE MAN. All he is good for is cleanup baskets and alleyoops. His jumper is one of the worst on the team, NOT JUST ASTHETICALLY EITHER. I am sick of Shawn Marion and always hearing the same stuff about him, because he never performs in the crunch. He goes into the fetal position and says how the pressure is always so much more for him.

How about pressure for Nash, he is the 2-time MVP and controls the offense every possession. Or Amare, who has to guard Tim Duncan and other big men. Amare was at one time going to be the future of the NBA before his knee set him back. Then Amare had to listen to everyone say he would never be as good of a player as he was, (he isn't as good or athletic, he just developed a jumper... Imagine 2004 athleticism of Amare with 2007 jumpshot and vision.)

If Marion doesnt get ousted this summer I am going to be real disappointed because it is him in the locker room that is causing the majority of the problems and it is him that doesnt show up with the effort for big games... It is like he is always trying to prove something, well Shawn you are proving the wrong points, why don't you prove that you are a max contract player and then once you do and we win the finals... we will send you to Memphis or Charlotte where you can average 24 and 12 while shooting 38% from the field. Marion is a piece of S

 

[nashman]

wow, black jesus think your smokin something....just wow! This team would not be where it is without Marion period! He had a decent game not a bad game, Parker always goes off on us this is not new. Nash should just gaurd him and try to keep him under 25 and make parker work on D himself. Sure nash could put up matching numbers, just control the rest of the team Parker and Duncan cant beat us by themselves, stop the rest of them damn seems so simple!

 

[kps0001]

Marion is without a doubt the weak link on our team... He is a head case, and overrated... Yes you heard right, he is OVERRATED. I have never heard a players name mentioned so much and then hear that they never get recognition. In my opinion he gets too much recognition because lets look at him for what he is... A GARBAGE MAN. All he is good for is cleanup baskets and alleyoops. His jumper is one of the worst on the team, NOT JUST ASTHETICALLY EITHER. I am sick of Shawn Marion and always hearing the same stuff about him, because he never performs in the crunch. He goes into the fetal position and says how the pressure is always so much more for him.

How about pressure for Nash, he is the 2-time MVP and controls the offense every possession. Or Amare, who has to guard Tim Duncan and other big men. Amare was at one time going to be the future of the NBA before his knee set him back. Then Amare had to listen to everyone say he would never be as good of a player as he was, (he isn't as good or athletic, he just developed a jumper... Imagine 2004 athleticism of Amare with 2007 jumpshot and vision.)

If Marion doesnt get ousted this summer I am going to be real disappointed because it is him in the locker room that is causing the majority of the problems and it is him that doesnt show up with the effort for big games... It is like he is always trying to prove something, well Shawn you are proving the wrong points, why don't you prove that you are a max contract player and then once you do and we win the finals... we will send you to Memphis or Charlotte where you can average 24 and 12 while shooting 38% from the field. Marion is a piece of S

I am not saying Shawn doesn't disappear in some big games but I am tired of hearing Marion called a complainer and overrated. I can recall once or twice some comments a few years back that were public but the guy usually keeps his head down, mouth silent, and goes to work. You call him a garbage man. Who else on our team is going to give us what he does? NOBODY!!! Well I will take this garbage man on my team as will most of the other 31 teams in the league I am sure will also. OK his salary is a little much for what he gives us but is that Shawns fault? C'mon!!!!

Cedric Ceballos was the same type of player, imo, and Marion is far superior to Ced but yet Ced is one of the favorite Suns. I bet if Marion is gone next year this team and its fans will be quite regretful and sorry for some of the comments about him. Where would the Suns have been last year without Marion? How quickly we forget what he did for us almost the entire year.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I am not saying Shawn doesn't disappear in some big games but I am tired of hearing Marion called a complainer and overrated. I can recall once or twice some comments a few years back that were public but the guy usually keeps his head down, mouth silent, and goes to work. You call him a garbage man. Who else on our team is going to give us what he does? NOBODY!!! Well I will take this garbage man on my team as will most of the other 31 teams in the league I am sure will also. OK his salary is a little much for what he gives us but is that Shawns fault? C'mon!!!!

Cedric Ceballos was the same type of player, imo, and Marion is far superior to Ced but yet Ced is one of the favorite Suns. I bet if Marion is gone next year this team and its fans will be quite regretful and sorry for some of the comments about him. Where would the Suns have been last year without Marion? How quickly we forget what he did for us almost the entire year.

Here's a mind boggler for you. Where would we have been without Diaw last year?