Is our QB on some other team

[kerouac9]

Hard to say. Since Brandon Weedon is suspect in many experts eyes. The Cleveland Browns could be the next "whisnehunt" like staff with QB's

Yes. Mike Holmgren is exactly like Ken Whisenhunt when it comes to QBs. That's a superior argument.

 

[Shane]

Yes. Mike Holmgren is exactly like Ken Whisenhunt when it comes to QBs. That's a superior argument.

Yea the same guy that pulled the trigger on Mccoy that your currently bashing??

Yes I know you'll bring up Favre and Hasselbeck. But hey sometimes people lose their touch. Not to mention I dont see Homgren on the field mentoring anybody anymore??

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This year, nope.

 

[kerouac9]

Yea the same guy that pulled the trigger on Mccoy that your currently bashing??

Yes I know you'll bring up Favre and Hasselbeck. But hey sometimes people lose their touch.

Colt McCoy as a third-round pick? I'm not going to bash that. Cleveland was under pressure to use their second-round pick on McCoy, if not trading back into the first to get him. For all I know, Holmgren was pressured into drafting McCoy by ownership. The cries for the Browns taking McCoy when he started to slip were deafening at the time.

Favre, Hasselback, Brunell, Aaron Brooks. There are certainly ones that I'm forgetting. You're the one advocating that we eat out of someone else's garbage.

 

[Shane]

Colt McCoy as a third-round pick? I'm not going to bash that. Cleveland was under pressure to use their second-round pick on McCoy, if not trading back into the first to get him. For all I know, Holmgren was pressured into drafting McCoy by ownership. The cries for the Browns taking McCoy when he started to slip were deafening at the time.

Favre, Hasselback, Brunell, Aaron Brooks. There are certainly ones that I'm forgetting. You're the one advocating that we eat out of someone else's garbage.

I'm not advocating anything. All I said was that I liked the way he has looked. For a young 3rd rounder not bad at all IMO. I didnt say go get him anywhere above?

Would I pissed if we went and got him and took a flier on him?? Nope. But not saying jump in after him either.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Remember how we were really interested in Charlie Whitehurst a couple years ago? Our quarterback evaluations are so incredibly dumb.

More like incredibly Desperate IMO. The whole beggars can't be choosers thing. Scraping the bottom of the barrel. Slim Pickens!

 

[Skumbag]

Wanted the Cards to draft Colt, but the Browns snagged him a pick or two ahead of us.

 

[Duckjake]

Colt McCoy as a third-round pick? I'm not going to bash that. Cleveland was under pressure to use their second-round pick on McCoy, if not trading back into the first to get him. For all I know, Holmgren was pressured into drafting McCoy by ownership. The cries for the Browns taking McCoy when he started to slip were deafening at the time.

Favre, Hasselback, Brunell, Aaron Brooks. There are certainly ones that I'm forgetting. You're the one advocating that we eat out of someone else's garbage.

Aaron Brooks? Really.

Colt McCoy:

High completion % in college, check
Winner at a big time program, check
Played a lot of games, check
High # of pass attempts, check

Forget who said it but it was a very well respected talent evaluator who said that was what you should look for in a QB.

I'd rather have been eating that garbage last year and this than the overpriced Andy Reid garbage we have to eat now.

Sure the Browns are shopping McCoy. Look who their HC is. Pat Shurmer who was QBs coach at Philadelphia for 10 years! It's in his blood.

McCoy would have been perfect for our offense is we'd drafted him. Don't think so now as I believe the scheme has changed. Instead of running the Warner offense our QBs now just run for their lives.

 

[kerouac9]

Aaron Brooks? Really.

Colt McCoy:

High completion % in college, check
Winner at a big time program, check
Played a lot of games, check
High # of pass attempts, check

Forget who said it but it was a very well respected talent evaluator who said that was what you should look for in a QB.

I'd rather have been eating that garbage last year and this than the overpriced Andy Reid garbage we have to eat now.

Sure the Browns are shopping McCoy. Look who their HC is. Pat Shurmer who was QBs coach at Philadelphia for 10 years! It's in his blood.

McCoy would have been perfect for our offense is we'd drafted him. Don't think so now as I believe the scheme has changed. Instead of running the Warner offense our QBs now just run for their lives.

That's what the Lewin Career Forecast that Football Outsiders uses as their basis.

Cool stuff here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2012/lewin-career-forecast-2012/

McCoy's LCF was higher than Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, and Andrew Luck. The problem with the LCF is it only works for quarterbacks taken early; the further in the draft you go, the riskier the forecast runs. McCoy clearly didn't have the measurables (namely arm strength) that you look for. He's a rich man's Max Hall.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I'm hoping that our 2013 staring quarterback is currently on the Arkansas Razorbacks.

Tyler Wilson 2013!

This

 

[Darkside]

Aaron Brooks? Really.

Colt McCoy:

High completion % in college, check
Winner at a big time program, check
Played a lot of games, check
High # of pass attempts, check

Forget who said it but it was a very well respected talent evaluator who said that was what you should look for in a QB.

I'd rather have been eating that garbage last year and this than the overpriced Andy Reid garbage we have to eat now.

Sure the Browns are shopping McCoy. Look who their HC is. Pat Shurmer who was QBs coach at Philadelphia for 10 years! It's in his blood.

McCoy would have been perfect for our offense is we'd drafted him. Don't think so now as I believe the scheme has changed. Instead of running the Warner offense our QBs now just run for their lives.

I'm probably completely off base, but I still believe the main reason they're letting McCoy go is because of the concussion debacle last year. Which was their fault and made them look bad (then McCoy's daddy went on the air and made it worse). I don't think they got over that.

Also believe Holmgren is going to clean house after this year because I think they're likely the worst team in football.

Also think when they got McCoy not only was I shocked he fell that far, but I remember thinking how totally lucky the Browns were to get him--during their first rebuilding year no less. He could have mitigated their pain. But they totally wasted his first year and regressed him in my mind.

However, I don't know if McCoy could help us, and in some ways I think it hurts more than it helps. He'd have to play lights out in my mind, at least much better than Skelton. I think it hurts deep--and on many levels--though when it comes to Whis and his already sketchy evaluation of QB's. Whis is known for being composed and not getting too high or low and getting McCoy would be viewed as a sign of total desperation. I'm pretty sure he won't do that--the image it invokes would take a long time to get past (especially for the players currently on our team). I think we're stuck with who we have this year.

 

[Duckjake]

That's what the Lewin Career Forecast that Football Outsiders uses as their basis.

Cool stuff here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2012/lewin-career-forecast-2012/

McCoy's LCF was higher than Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, and Andrew Luck. The problem with the LCF is it only works for quarterbacks taken early; the further in the draft you go, the riskier the forecast runs. McCoy clearly didn't have the measurables (namely arm strength) that you look for. He's a rich man's Max Hall.

You're right I forgot about that. What McCoy does have is excellent field vision, the ability to quickly read defenses, coolness in the clutch and excellent accuracy. Exactly what we needed to take over for Warner. He has plenty of arm to heave the ball down field to Larry like Kurt did.

But things have changed now and I don't know if that is what the Coaches want anymore.

To compare him to Max Hall though is beyond ludicrous. Hall had no business on an NFL field and would have been seriously injured if he kept playing. 1 TD and 6 interceptions and a sack % of 15.2! Hall was horrible.

McCoy is if anything a poor man's Kevin Kolb. Same or better production for far less money. Concussion included at no extra charge.