Is This Board Too Hard On Rackers!

[40yearfan]

On a side note, Ben & Jerry's have come out with a new flavor on the eve of their 30th anniversary. Some sort of party cake flavor that is a combination of cake batter & frosting. Since you love these liberal scum's ice cream, I thought you might want to know that.

 

[NightHawk11and81]

The answer to the original poster is yes, absolutely. Good luck convincing a lot of people on here of that, though.

 

[cardsfanmd]

We have one roster spot taken by Hodel the long snapper. Many teams long snapper plays another position on the depth chart. Ours doesn't because he's so consistent.

So another roster spot with an extra kicker is not happening IMO. If he can't get his accuracy issues solved then we'll have to move on sooner than later. Let the rest of the roster try out for kickoffs. Enter Super Quan!

I for one would like to see Q being the holder next year. We could run some awesome trick plays with him and teams would always have to respect him taking off or throwing the ball when they thought about coming all out after the kicker.

 

[40yearfan]

Wow!!! Rakers isn't perfect. Imagine that. I mean Tiger Woods has never missed a putt to win, MJ never missed a game winning hoop and Brett Favre has never thrown an interception that could cost the Packers a game. The audacity of that Rakers.

 

[cardsfanmd]

On a side note, Ben & Jerry's have come out with a new flavor on the eve of their 30th anniversary. Some sort of party cake flavor that is a combination of cake batter & frosting. Since you love these liberal scum's ice cream, I thought you might want to know that.

I am soo pissed he posted that, Kelly made me visit 4 grocery stores the other day until I found it.

 

[moklerman]

Wow!!! Rakers isn't perfect. Imagine that.

I think there's a big difference between perfection and what Rackers has done. I don't think there's a single person saying that Rackers needs to hit all of his clutch kicks but he has a succession of missed kicks. A 50+ yard field goal to win the game is something you give him a break on if he misses. Missed extra points and 29 yarders in overtime you don't.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Wow!!! Rakers isn't perfect. Imagine that. I mean Tiger Woods has never missed a putt to win, MJ never missed a game winning hoop and Brett Favre has never thrown an interception that could cost the Packers a game. The audacity of that Rakers.

Have you been tonight 40??

Those players you just named are all great-- better than great they are arguably all the best ever in their sports. To even mention Neil's name in a conversation with theirs is laughable.

 

[40yearfan]

Have you been tonight 40??

Those players you just named are all great-- better than great they are arguably all the best ever in their sports. To even mention Neil's name in a conversation with theirs is laughable.

Nope, it just proves a point that even the best miss ocassionally.

All you guys ever talk about is the games you claim he lost. Using your criteria, what about the games he won?

What about the Atlanta game where Rakers kicked a field goal on the last play of the game to send it into overtime and then kicked a field goal in overtime to win the game? Two clutch kicks within a few minutes of each other.

What about the Cleveland game? Rakers kicked two field goals in the 4th quarter and we won by 6 points. Those six points were the margin of difference. We won 27 to 21. Cleveland was in range of a field goal on their last possession but had to go for a TD because Rakers had made the previous field goal. Do you think those kicks weren't important?

What about the Seattle game? The Cardinals were down by 3 points with 5 minutes left in the game. Rakers kicked a 52 yard field goal to tie the game and then came back and kicked a 43 yard field goal with one second remaining to win the game. Is that not a clutch situation?

If it hadn't have been for Rakers in those 3 games, we might have been 5 and 11 on the year using this kind of logic.

Trying to blame a win or a loss on one player in a football game is silly.

 

[Heucrazy]

No logic allowed when slamming players.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Nope, it just proves a point that even the best miss ocassionally.

All you guys ever talk about is the games you claim he lost. Using your criteria, what about the games he won?

What about the Atlanta game where Rakers kicked a field goal on the last play of the game to send it into overtime and then kicked a field goal in overtime to win the game? Two clutch kicks within a few minutes of each other.

What about the Cleveland game? Rakers kicked two field goals in the 4th quarter and we won by 6 points. Those six points were the margin of difference. We won 27 to 21. Cleveland was in range of a field goal on their last possession but had to go for a TD because Rakers had made the previous field goal. Do you think those kicks weren't important?

What about the Seattle game? The Cardinals were down by 3 points with 5 minutes left in the game. Rakers kicked a 52 yard field goal to tie the game and then came back and kicked a 43 yard field goal with one second remaining to win the game. Is that not a clutch situation?

If it hadn't have been for Rakers in those 3 games, we might have been 5 and 11 on the year using this kind of logic.

Trying to blame a win or a loss on one player in a football game is silly.

AAAlllrighty then.

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Using your way of thought, hows about these:

Sea- He doesn't get a cookie for what he did in the end because had he not missed a kick earlier in the game, the one he made with 5:00 remaining would have won it.

Baltimore- Mr. Clutch blows a 47 yarder on a beautiful day and we lose by three

Washington- You can cry all day about the FG he missed from 53 in perfect conditions, but how about the XP seeing as though we lost by 1

SF- Do I really need to say anything about this one?

NO- His missed FG was devastating. Thankfully, his teammates had come to expect nothing from him by then so they still seemed motivated.

 

[40yearfan]

AAAlllrighty then.

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Using your way of thought, hows about these:

Sea- He doesn't get a cookie for what he did in the end because had he not missed a kick earlier in the game, the one he made with 5:00 remaining would have won it.

Really? After stating that he only misses clutch kicks, what do you consider clutch about the earlier kick? Did his kick win the game or not?

Baltimore- Mr. Clutch blows a 47 yarder on a beautiful day and we lose by three

What about the 3 field goals that he did make? The field goal that he did miss was in the second quarter. What was clutch about that?

Washington- You can cry all day about the FG he missed from 53 in perfect conditions, but how about the XP seeing as though we lost by 1

Sorry, but the final score was 21 to 19. The missed extra point didn't amount to didly. And if you are going to carp about him missing a 53 yard field goal, you are being really unreasonable.

SF- Do I really need to say anything about this one?

NO- His missed FG was devastating. Thankfully, his teammates had come to expect nothing from him by then so they still seemed motivated.

Once again, you are knocking him for missing a 54 yard field goal at NO in the second quarter? How do you consider that clutch?

 

[Pariah]

Sorry, but the final score was 21 to 19. The missed extra point didn't amount to didly. And if you are going to carp about him missing a 53 yard field goal, you are being really unreasonable.

I think that's because we had to try to go for two and didn't convert. Wasn't that the I'll-fated Boldin pass?

 

[40yearfan]

I think that's because we had to try to go for two and didn't convert. Wasn't that the I'll-fated Boldin pass?

Yep, but the Cards got the ball back after that and Rakers missed a 55 yard field goal with 7 seconds left. If I remember correctly, the kick just barely missed and would have been good from 50 yards. The only reason he even had a shot at that was because Rakers kicked an on-side kick that we recovered. If Warner's final pass to Fitz would have been good, it would have put us at least 5 yards closer and could have won the game.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Yep, but the Cards got the ball back after that and Rakers missed a 55 yard field goal with 7 seconds left. If I remember correctly, the kick just barely missed and would have been good from 50 yards. The only reason he even had a shot at that was because Rakers kicked an on-side kick that we recovered. If Warner's final pass to Fitz would have been good, it would have put us at least 5 yards closer and could have won the game.

We are never gonna to agree here, so there is really no point in going on and on anymore. You think everyone is super and great all the time and if they are part of the Cards organization they are like real life heroes. I prefer to think with my brain and not my heart. The burden of proof is on them.

I would have fired Neil directly after the SF game. If he is that bad again this year I swear on everything I love am showin up to TC next season and demanding to compete for his job. Maybe I cant come close enough to give everyone hope on 50+ers but I can damn sure nail a 32ydr all day.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Yep, but the Cards got the ball back after that and Rakers missed a 55 yard field goal with 7 seconds left. If I remember correctly, the kick just barely missed and would have been good from 50 yards. The only reason he even had a shot at that was because Rakers kicked an on-side kick that we recovered. If Warner's final pass to Fitz would have been good, it would have put us at least 5 yards closer and could have won the game.

If I was taller I might be a better basketball player, but I am not. The bottom line is that the FG was within Racker's range, had the length and he missed. The what-ifs are inconsequential.

For the record though, I have never doubted his onside kicking, as he is the greatest I have ever seen at it.

 

[Duckjake]

Yep, but the Cards got the ball back after that and Rakers missed a 55 yard field goal with 7 seconds left. If I remember correctly, the kick just barely missed and would have been good from 50 yards. The only reason he even had a shot at that was because Rakers kicked an on-side kick that we recovered. If Warner's final pass to Fitz would have been good, it would have put us at least 5 yards closer and could have won the game.

You can spin it any way you want but nothing changes the fact that Rackers choked on the FG that would have saved the Cardinals from one of the most devastating losses in team history. Nothing he does will ever make up for missing that 40 yarder at home, indoors.

If the Rackers of 2006-07 had been the kicker for the Cardinals in 1998 they would have been 5-11 instead of beating Dallas for their only playoff win in 50 years.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Where is Chris Jacke?????

 

[40yearfan]

You can spin it any way you want but nothing changes the fact that Rackers choked on the FG that would have saved the Cardinals from one of the most devastating losses in team history. Nothing he does will ever make up for missing that 40 yarder at home, indoors.

If the Rackers of 2006-07 had been the kicker for the Cardinals in 1998 they would have been 5-11 instead of beating Dallas for their only playoff win in 50 years.

Hmmm and the fact that they gave up 3 TD's within about a 5 minute period had nothing to do with that loss, right?

 

[40yearfan]

If I was taller I might be a better basketball player, but I am not. The bottom line is that the FG was within Racker's range, had the length and he missed. The what-ifs are inconsequential.

For the record though, I have never doubted his onside kicking, as he is the greatest I have ever seen at it.

Isn't that what we are talking about here are what ifs? If Rakers had hit one more field goal, we'd have went to the playoffs.

The problem with what ifs are that there are so many of them. If Warner had hit that pass to Fitz and Rakers had made the shorter kick, we'd have been in the playoffs. If Wilson had made one more tackle or Fitz hadn't of run out of bounds, or Berry hadn't gone down to injury and on and on and on.

You can't blame wins or losses on one play in a game that has several hundred plays especially not one at the very end of the game.

 

[NightHawk11and81]

Using your way of thought, hows about these:

Sea- He doesn't get a cookie for what he did in the end because had he not missed a kick earlier in the game, the one he made with 5:00 remaining would have won it.

This sums up the mindset of so many on this board perfectly. Blame Rackers for every mistake, give him no credit when he comes through, even in the same game. That's real fair.

In other news, as has been stated on this board, the Washington kick was 55 yards, the Cardinals lost by two and the extra point was the holder's fault anyway. Is Rackers expected to make a kick when the holder drops the snap? Really?

At least nobody on this board expects him to make a kick when the line doesn't do its job and the kick is blocked...oh wait, they do, we learned that in the Chicago game last year. There were even some fans who blamed Rackers for not hitting a 70-yard field goal against St. Louis...a kick that he never actually attempted!

I've never seen so much irrational hatred for one player, on ANY of my teams.

 

[Sandan]

We are never gonna to agree here, so there is really no point in going on and on anymore. You think everyone is super and great all the time and if they are part of the Cards organization they are like real life heroes. I prefer to think with my brain and not my heart. The burden of proof is on them.

I'm sorry but this is such a bogus statement.

If somebody disagrees with you, now all of a sudden they think every thing is hunky dory and everybody is super. I challenge you to show me anywhere 40 said that ?

I would have fired Neil directly after the SF game. If he is that bad again this year I swear on everything I love am showin up to TC next season and demanding to compete for his job. Maybe I cant come close enough to give everyone hope on 50+ers but I can damn sure nail a 32ydr all day.

Great, despite the fact that I think it is pretty common knowledge that the holder messed up not Rackers. Oh Yeah and I'm sure you can do better ... NOT.

Though I expect he will have competition, that seems pretty common for kickers.

 

[Sandan]

Irrational is right.

 

[moklerman]

That overtime field goal vs. the 49ers was the holder's fault? I don't remember anything about that.

 

[Duckjake]

Hmmm and the fact that they gave up 3 TD's within about a 5 minute period had nothing to do with that loss, right?

Sorry, but that's looking the game in the wrong context. Coming back to win after surrendering the lead in that fashion would have blown the lid off the stadium (if the roof hadn't been open at the time). A far more enjoyable win than just beating the Bears 23-3. It would have been a game Cards fans still talk about 20 years from now just like they do the 1988 win over the 49ers after trailing 23-0. Nobody talks about the 31-14 win over the Steelers that year do they? (except for me right now). A more exciting end than the 1997 win over Dallas on take back our stadium night. The party afterward would have been phenominal.

But Rackers misses and robbed me of a chance to enjoy that win that night and for years to come. Nothing he does will ever make up for that.

 

[Duckjake]

This sums up the mindset of so many on this board perfectly. Blame Rackers for every mistake, give him no credit when he comes through, even in the same game. That's real fair.

In other news, as has been stated on this board, the Washington kick was 55 yards, the Cardinals lost by two and the extra point was the holder's fault anyway. Is Rackers expected to make a kick when the holder drops the snap? Really?

At least nobody on this board expects him to make a kick when the line doesn't do its job and the kick is blocked...oh wait, they do, we learned that in the Chicago game last year. There were even some fans who blamed Rackers for not hitting a 70-yard field goal against St. Louis...a kick that he never actually attempted!

I've never seen so much irrational hatred for one player, on ANY of my teams.

The kick in the Bears game was blocked? First I've ever heard of that.