Is Tyson Chandler "tradeable"

[sundevil04]

With it becoming apparent that this is one of, if not the worst team in the league, what's the point of paying 13Mil to an older player like Chandler. Considering the size and length of his contract, could we find an interested suitor?

 

[sunsfan88]

Perhaps Boston with David Lee's expiring contract. Celtics look to want to win now and I think Brad Stevens, much like Rick Carslie, may be a better fit for Chandler than Hornacek.

 

[GatorAZ]

We're stuck with him. Could probably get something for Knight though.

 

[Catlover]

We're stuck with him. Could probably get something for Knight though.

Maybe but I'm not so sure. We have 2 things in our favor. We're a wreck of a team and Chandler has had huge swings in his effectiveness before when playing with the wrong teams. And with the TV contract kicking in his salary isn't going to be too far out of line for even an average backup center.

I'd try and trade Markieff to Houston for Lawson and then Knight to maybe New Jersey or Philadelphia and just live with Chandler's contract for awhile. He's not helping us but we have to pay someone and we need another center so it might as well be him.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'd try and trade Markieff to Houston for Lawson and then Knight to maybe New Jersey or Philadelphia and just live with Chandler's contract for awhile. He's not helping us but we have to pay someone and we need another center so it might as well be him.

What does Brooklen have to offer for Knight? This is a guy that we traded the Lakers pick for so we better get some quality value back for him.

 

[Catlover]

What does Brooklen have to offer for Knight? This is a guy that we traded the Lakers pick for so we better get some quality value back for him.

They have very little that would interest us but perhaps something involving Thaddeus Young and/or Rondae or maybe a multi-team deal. That franchise is in a world of hurt and Boston is loving it. But it will look even worse for the Nets if they can't replace Jack.

 

[sunsfan88]

They have very little that would interest us but perhaps something involving Thaddeus Young and/or Rondae or maybe a multi-team deal. That franchise is in a world of hurt and Boston is loving it. But it will look even worse for the Nets if they can't replace Jack.

But do you really think ending up with Thaddeus Young is what trading the Lakers pick is worth?

Rondae's an interesting prospect but even then the Lakers pick has much, much more value than him.

I don't think the Nets have the assets. They lose Jack but now they should probably try and acquire a PG on the cheap like Lawson, Augustin, Evans, Jennings, Holliday or Bayless.

You mentioned Philly...now that Colengelo is in charge, I wonder if he would be interested in Knight with them giving us back the Lakers pick.

 

[Catlover]

But do you really think ending up with Thaddeus Young is what trading the Lakers pick is worth?

Rondae's an interesting prospect but even then the Lakers pick has much, much more value than him.

I don't think the Nets have the assets. They lose Jack but now they should probably try and acquire a PG on the cheap like Lawson, Augustin, Evans, Jennings, Holliday or Bayless.

You mentioned Philly...now that Colengelo is in charge, I wonder if he would be interested in Knight with them giving us back the Lakers pick.

Of course not but it's a sunk cost. Right now, I'd just as soon part ways with Knight unless they really believe he'll buy into the system.

I'd be okay with keeping Brandon if he was willing to be the backup point guard and/or the backup shooting guard as needed but that doesn't seem likely. Lawson probably makes even more sense to the Nets though so that might make it a little harder to move Markieff and Knight this trading season.

I mentioned Philadelphia because Knight is good at pushing the pace and Dantoni's system might help hide his defensive shortcomings. I don't know if Colangelo likes him or not but I wouldn't hold my breath about getting the Lakers pick back.

 

[SirStefan32]

Why do people want to trade Chandler? This is a very young team with no veteran leadership or winning/ championship experience. Why do we want to move the only person who provides those things to this young team?

 

[Phrazbit]

Yes, I think he is tradeable. The cap is going bonkers, I don't think teams are going to sweat 12 million dollars a year for serviceable centers.

But I agree with Stefan, we need someone with some whiskers who has a bit of pedigree to stay in the ears of this team... especially since they've all tuned out the coach. Perhaps when Horny goes, if we bring in an authoritarian then we can think more about moving Chandler.

 

[Covert Rain]

What will moving Chandler accomplish? He is not going to bring you back anything meaningful in return and you lose veteran leadership. I am all for moving pieces if you get something back of value. However, what can we get? Another journeyman or project player who will sit forever on the bench? A low draft pick that the Suns won't be able to parlay into something more?

 

[Catlover]

I see it this way. If someone comes shopping specifially for Chandler, fine, see what they have to offer. Otherwise keep him and let him continue to help Len to progress. I really wish we had 2 Chandlers right now so we could let Len sit out until his hand heals. It's frustrating watching him play like that the past few games and at least Tyson is starting to move and jump well again.

 

[BC867]

Interesting quote by Jeff Hornacek

This, in the Arizona Republic, about Tyson Chandler.

Tyson Chandler's first-half dunk misses were part of a season in which his field-goal percentage has dropped significantly from his No. 2 career ranking for NBA players.

"He's always played with those veteran guards who have the timing down a little bit better. Eric and Brandon are more scoring point guards so the timing on lobs was a little off."

Thank you, Jeff, for supporting one of my recent posts which said that Point Guards are supposed to make the rest of the team better and ours don't.

It is interesting that the Head Coach didn't address a solution. 'Just reported the problem. And that is why Jeffy doesn't have what it takes to be a Head Coach.

"Eric and Brandon are more scoring point guards so the timing on lobs was a little off." Indeed!

 

[sunsfan88]

This, in the Arizona Republic, about Tyson Chandler.

Tyson Chandler's first-half dunk misses were part of a season in which his field-goal percentage has dropped significantly from his No. 2 career ranking for NBA players.

"He's always played with those veteran guards who have the timing down a little bit better. Eric and Brandon are more scoring point guards so the timing on lobs was a little off."

Thank you, Jeff, for supporting one of my recent posts which said that Point Guards are supposed to make the rest of the team better and ours don't.

It is interesting that the Head Coach didn't address a solution. 'Just reported the problem. And that is why Jeffy doesn't have what it takes to be a Head Coach.

"Eric and Brandon are more scoring point guards so the timing on lobs was a little off." Indeed!

I don't get it, didn't he know they were scoring guards when they gave them $70 million each over the next 5 years?

 

[SweetD]

Chandler has value, so does Knight. The good thing about us sucking so bad most GMs will just mark their bad play up to this disfunctional team.

Teams are going to be looking for #2-5 type players on long decent contracts and Bled, Knight and Chandler fit that #3-5 player to take a team to contention.

I think like most fans, there is a lot of under valuing our players and over valuing of other teams players.

 

[JS22]

Why do people want to trade Chandler? This is a very young team with no veteran leadership or winning/ championship experience. Why do we want to move the only person who provides those things to this young team?

Because he has zero value other than "veteran leadership" which isn't worth 13 million. I think he could still be extremely productive on a GOOD team, where he has a clearly defined role and is playing for a championship.

I was a fan of the signing, but let's admit that it was a roll-of-the-dice move in order to get Aldridge to come here. And it ALMOST worked. Even so, the hope was that he would still be productive and help guide this team into the playoffs. It hasn't worked. Time to cut-bait and move on before any potentially interested teams look elsewhere.

 

[SirStefan32]

Because he has zero value other than "veteran leadership" which isn't worth 13 million. I think he could still be extremely productive on a GOOD team, where he has a clearly defined role and is playing for a championship.

I was a fan of the signing, but let's admit that it was a roll-of-the-dice move in order to get Aldridge to come here. And it ALMOST worked. Even so, the hope was that he would still be productive and help guide this team into the playoffs. It hasn't worked. Time to cut-bait and move on before any potentially interested teams look elsewhere.

Veteran leadership is worth far more than $13M per year. Suns have to pay someone. Might as well pay a veteran leader who can still play.

 

[Covert Rain]

Veteran leadership is worth far more than $13M per year. Suns have to pay someone. Might as well pay a veteran leader who can still play.

Maybe to the Suns but that is an exaggeration or every tenured veteran player would get paid that type of money on the back end of their careers. However, I agree with you that if you are going to bring in a veteran leadership.....bring in someone who still has game.

 

[Catlover]

Maybe to the Suns but that is an exaggeration or every tenured veteran player would get paid that type of money on the back end of their careers. However, I agree with you that if you are going to bring in a veteran leadership.....bring in someone who still has game.

Except that many veterans don't really provide leadership. Players like Pierce and Chandler are the exception IMO. But we did not pay Chandler just for his veteran leadership nor did we do it just for Aldridge. He was coming off perhaps his best year ever and we had an obvious need for leadership but an even more pressing need for a decent big man.

He's been less than expected as a player but until his hamstring injury he was still protecting the rim and controlling the boards. He isn't a liability that we need to quickly unload onto someone. He has value even if it isn't what we'd anticipated. Other than for a good deal I'd only move him if they felt his current play was a sign of the rapid decline to come.

 

[slinslin]

Capspace is worthless right now.

Every team in the league will have an abundance of cap space next offseason and they will struggle finding players to sign with all that money.

So prepare to see a lot of overpaid contracts and teams not being able to spend their capspace.

Thus trading Chandler is absolutely pointless unless we get real assets for him.

In the long run no matter if Chandler underperforms expectations you still need to have centers and with Chandler and Len the Suns are set at the position.

 

[BC867]

Maybe to the Suns but that is an exaggeration or every tenured veteran player would get paid that type of money on the back end of their careers. However, I agree with you that if you are going to bring in a veteran leadership.....bring in someone who still has game.

"Alabi Ike" Hornacek recently announced to the Press that Chandler is underperforming offensively because Bledsoe and Knight are both "shooting" Point Guards and haven't shown the skills to set up the Centers accurately. Which is what many of us have been saying all season long. For most of the season, they haven't even passed to Len.

You can't blame that on the Centers . . . according to the Coach.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

"Alabi Ike" Hornacek recently announced to the Press that Chandler is underperforming offensively because Bledsoe and Knight are both "shooting" Point Guards and haven't shown the skills to set up the Centers accurately. Which is what many of us have been saying all season long. For most of the season, they haven't even passed to Len.

You can't blame that on the Centers . . . according to the Coach.

There is a reason for that. 1) he couldnt catch it 2) He wouldnt know what to do with it.

Keep Chandler and Leuer at center

 

[Catlover]

"Alabi Ike" Hornacek recently announced to the Press that Chandler is underperforming offensively because Bledsoe and Knight are both "shooting" Point Guards and haven't shown the skills to set up the Centers accurately. Which is what many of us have been saying all season long. For most of the season, they haven't even passed to Len.

You can't blame that on the Centers . . . according to the Coach.

You're making that into a lot more than Hornacek did. He was making the point that SOME of his struggles have been because the guards haven't gotten the timing right with him. But if you've actually watched the games you'll see something else too. Recently he hadn't been getting as far off the ground as he did in the first couple of games when Bledsoe had no problem feeding him when he dove to the rim.

Also, I think it's questionable on your part to write off everything Jeff says about everything else and then to take this one statement to heart simply because you can shape it to fit your narrative. Tyson is struggling, part of that has been on the guards, but just part of it.

BTW, assuming you're not speaking Arabic, I believe it's "Alibi Ike" you're looking for.

 

[BC867]

I believe it's "Alibi Ike" you're looking for.

You're right. I misspelled it. Thank you.

I still don't like that our Coach alibis to the Press after every loss (which is most of our games).

 

[Catlover]

You're right. I misspelled it. Thank you.

I still don't like that our Coach alibis to the Press after every loss (which is most of our games).

When things are going poorly there isn't anything he can say (or not say) that will appease most fans. And when things are going this poorly, almost everything sounds like an alibi. Seriously, what would you like to hear him say that would actually benefit him and the team?