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I don't believe that Winston is a good leader in being part of the program. I believe that Winston is good at getting people to follow him. He had the entire Saints offense mutiny against the head coach last year!
That’s true. But I don’t think being a mutineer is necessarily being a leader. It’s easy to rile up the worst elements in people. It’s difficult to get people to do the hard things and tap into and elevate peoples best traits.
 

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You dont have to be a rah rah guy to be no leader. You can be the lead by example type problem is Kyler fails at that to. Someone like Jalen Hurts is an okay qb to me but great leader. He could throw 4td or 4ints you would never he leads by his example of being composed as the QB his teammates will look to him to be that rock. Now kyler wears his emotions all over one int his running to seat by himself with a towel over his head. How should teammate react when your QB looking he wants to give up.
 
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I don't believe that Winston is a good leader in being part of the program. I believe that Winston is good at getting people to follow him. He had the entire Saints offense mutiny against the head coach last year!
Watched him closely at FSU. He’s not a good leader.
 

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Any assessment of what needs to happen in anticipation of next season starts with Kyler Murray. Until that puzzle is solved I can’t see the Cards competing for the playoffs, let alone winning any games if they get there. Now 2 regimes have endorsed Murray and had the chance to develop him. I’ll discuss Gannon’s endorsement of Murray in the next post. I believe the idea that getting some phenomenal QB whisperer who will fix this issue is illusionary. That said, 2025 will possibly be Murray’s last chance at QB with the Cards. Cutting Murray in 2025 would save less than $3 mil cap space and cause $40 mil+ in dead money. That would greatly hinder the rebuild. A 6/1 cut in 2026 is manageable. Also a trade, while somewhat cap limiting, is also possible at that point. Murray should be told the reality of his position. Improving in 2025 is not optional.

Before further discussing the future it makes sense to examine how we got here. Kingsbury was anointed coach (no winning history marked him as worthy). He wanted Murray; his dream QB. Murray came in with more accolades than Caesar. He and Kingsbury formed something of a partnership rather than a coach/player relationship. Instead of holding Murray accountable for all the routine things he didn’t do, Kingsbury complimented him on what he could do. I recall it actually being said Murray didn’t need a great Oline because he could just elude the rushers. Of course, when several of those rushers proved to be almost as fast as he was, this plan failed gloriously.

Also Murray’s passing technique was flawed. Keep in mind he is truly a superior athlete. In college could win even with flaws, though the playoffs might have sounded a warning. He constantly threw off his back foot. That was eventually corrected, but it took so long that the process was another warning sign. Murray and Kingsbury loved the shotgun formation so that was virtually all that was used. Rollouts weren’t often planned as Murray was always on the run. Another concern was running out of bounds rather than throwing the ball away, yet another long correction process ensued. Maybe Murray was always contact shy (before the NFL he rarely experienced it). Perhaps under Kingsbury he got beat up so much he just became adverse to contact. In any case he now lacks composure.

As far as 2025 is concerned, some things can be fixed; others can’t. I don’t think you can fix Murray’s mind. As mentioned he has trouble with composure. He simply panics. Then he makes idiotic passing attempts. This cannot, in my opinion, be fixed with an attitude adjustment. The only way to fix this is to minimize the number of times Murray finds himself pressured to the point of panic. This means a better offensive line and using more rollouts, which according to statistics favor Murray’s passing skills anyway. Keeping in an RB more often would help. Nothing will completely stop the crazy throws when he’s overwhelmed by the pressure. Avoidance of pressure is the preferred strategy.

Sadly Murray has still more issues. His panic causes him to almost always throw to the primary receiver, even when that receiver is covered. Whether Murray likes it or not, insistence on using progressions is critical. Plus, there is a possibility that he doesn’t see the entire field. One of the ways to combat this is to run multiple routes on the same side; just at different levels. That way he has at least two options easily visualized. Adding a speedy receiver should create more open receivers and take advantage of Murray’s strong arm. I do not subscribe to the theory that his arm strength has declined.

Murray’s panic also causes him to release balls before the receiver is in their best leverage position. This is a big problem when throwing to Harrison. Closely related, there’s the issue of ball placement. Murray typically doesn’t throw receivers open. He also enables defenders to prevent completions by throwing the ball where the defender can reach it. Additionally one of the things height-challenged Brees mastered was shifting in the pocket to open throwing lanes. Murray continues regularly to get passes knocked down because he seemingly thinks he can throw passes through defender’s arms. Finally, when have you ever seen Murray take a hit to make a completion? If he’s truly that fragile he should have picked baseball. He needs to be tougher. Likewise Cards’ coaches need to stop treating him as marked “fragile.” They don’t need to run him continuously. They do need to run him often enough to make the run threat credible. That will slow the rush and reduce his panic.

Murray might be the best athlete to play QB for the Cards. If somehow he could get fixed from the neck up, he could still be a dominant QB. As it stands they can win with him, but must understand his limitations. The offense must be structured to compensate for these issues. A linemen capable of providing unit leadership is needed. Add a dominant defense and they can contend even for the big prize. Murray needs a top line and a greatly improved WR corps. I don’t see them working on developing Tune, so a veteran backup would make sense, especially if Murray’s going to run. Someone like Justin Fields might also threaten Murray. Part of this dump Kyler concept ignores who replaces him. Drafting mid-round is not ideal for QB acquisition. Fields may be the best FA fit, but is he a sure thing to be better? Getting even a “good” QB is a crapshoot. Getting a Sam Darnold result is rare. Are you willing to spend big money on a previous failed QB or try a never successful guy like Trey Lance?

Overall I’m clearly not excited about the 2025 edition of Murray. Taking pass rushing pressure off him while turning up the pressure to improve his skill set are the objectives I seek.

Going forward I anticipate providing a series of article anticipating how the Cards need to change.
I get what you are saying, but we did compete for the playoffs this year with Murray. We did it this year surprisingly, we can do it again.

To be fair though, I'm not happy about where we are with Murray and the offense. He will be here one more year at least. I can't see Bidwill eating the cap space like the Broncos did. They had new billionaire owners willing to do that.
 

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Very good post Harry.
Murray will be Monti's biggest conundrum. Like you said, he's good enough to get you some wins but he's to panicky and can't win from the pocket to get you over the top. The problem is who is out there that can. The frustrating thing is you see guys like Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix come in as rooks at lead their teams, that had very low expectations, to the playoffs. Then you have top drafted retreads like Baker and Donald also taking their teams to playoffs. I think another problem is that the Cards have never brought in a legit QB backup that could push Murray because it seems his ego is too fragile and they didn't want to threaten him. I mean c'mon, Tune, Hundley, Ritter, etc. are not guys that are probably even below average league backups.

Murray definitely has cache and trade value. Sants and Titans come to mind as trade partners. But I agree, we will probably be having this same conversation at this time next year because Murray will be given another year to disappoint.

If I had my druthers, I'd take with my chances with a Winston, at least as a backup option, or see if a change of scenery could work wonders for Trevor Lawrence like it did with the aforementioned retread products.
No way in hell would I want Winston on my team. I'd rather find a trade partner for Murray and ride with Tune for a year over Winston.

Yes, I'm serious.
 

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Just out of curiosity, not trolling, have there been any accounts of Murray being a good leader? I've heard great talent, great athlete, etc. but don't remember much on being an inspiring leader. He seems to care much more this year and putting in more work but he's probably going to be known more for having a study clause placed in his contract and more interested in video games.
First impressions are hard to change and probably not many leaders have had to have clauses put in their contract to try and make their job a higher priority.
At the beginning of the season, yes. Many here were praising him for saying and doing the right thing.
 

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I get what you are saying, but we did compete for the playoffs this year with Murray. We did it this year surprisingly, we can do it again.

To be fair though, I'm not happy about where we are with Murray and the offense. He will be here one more year at least. I can't see Bidwill eating the cap space like the Broncos did. They had new billionaire owners willing to do that.
When you are eliminated from the playoff picture with two games left in the season, you did not compete for the playoffs.

At least no worthwhile franchise would think so.
 

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At the beginning of the season, yes. Many here were praising him for saying and doing the right thing.
I would differentiate between offseason/preseason and the games. He was doing the right things in the offseason from a leadership perspective; he just can't lead a team to save his life when the bullets are flying.
 

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I would differentiate between offseason/preseason and the games. He was doing the right things in the offseason from a leadership perspective; he just can't lead a team to save his life when the bullets are flying.
He specifically said 'on any occasion.'
 

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When you are eliminated from the playoff picture with two games left in the season, you did not compete for the playoffs.

At least no worthwhile franchise would think so.
I guess I would disagree and leave it at that.
 

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I get what you are saying, but we did compete for the playoffs this year with Murray. We did it this year surprisingly, we can do it again.

To be fair though, I'm not happy about where we are with Murray and the offense. He will be here one more year at least. I can't see Bidwill eating the cap space like the Broncos did. They had new billionaire owners willing to do that.
But doesn't eating the cap hit save MB money? I mean that's money the GM can't spend meaning more in the Bidwill family bank.
 

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But doesn't eating the cap hit save MB money? I mean that's money the GM can't spend meaning more in the Bidwill family bank.
Not really. I definitely can't see them double dipping at QB by bringing in a Winston/Darnold and paying them 30M a year as well as eating the cap.
 

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When you are eliminated from the playoff picture with two games left in the season, you did not compete for the playoffs.

At least no worthwhile franchise would think so.
Yup. And on the outside looking in for essentially the last month of December. Being on the In the Hunt graphic was the goal, and we basically accomplished that.

But we are in the same boat with Indy and Miami. That’s a middling result.

But doesn't eating the cap hit save MB money? I mean that's money the GM can't spend meaning more in the Bidwill family bank.

Kyler has $32 million in guaranteed salary and roster bonus coming to him next year. Michael Bidwill isn’t going to pay Kyler that not to play. Those guarantees vested last March.

If Kyler is on the roster on March 22, another $32 million of 2026 salary becomes fully guaranteed. There’s no releasing Kyler Murray; there is only trading him.
 

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While KM has said and done things throughout the off season and in season to show leadership growth, Where I fail to see leadership growth is during the second half of a season where games seem to have more emphasis for playoff seeding. It’s been one dud after another. While all of it isn’t his fault, he hasn’t shown that he can elevate his game to carry the team, but just the opposite. After 6 years he is who he is, and we will have to start new QB search yet again in a year or two. Just tired of all the typical press conference talk, way past time, just show me on the field by winning a game late in the season that carries more weight than one in September
 
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Yup. And on the outside looking in for essentially the last month of December. Being on the In the Hunt graphic was the goal, and we basically accomplished that.

But we are in the same boat with Indy and Miami. That’s a middling result.
Middling result for an average team. Much better than the bottom dweller we have been recently.

Progress is progress, even if we are discouraged how the season ended...

(for the record, I don't see much more progress being made next year either) I see us as a 9 win team next year.)
 

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Of course you would. You’re a Cardinals fan who has been beaten into a position where being eliminated from the playoffs half a month before they even begin is somehow competing for the playoffs.
So what, are we debating over one week?
 

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I would differentiate between offseason/preseason and the games. He was doing the right things in the offseason from a leadership perspective; he just can't lead a team to save his life when the bullets are flying.
I agree. All those “ practice reps” look awesome when they were in shorts and nobody covering.
 

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Middling result for an average team. Much better than the bottom dweller we have been recently.

Progress is progress, even if we are discouraged how the season ended...

(for the record, I don't see much more progress being made next year either) I see us as a 9 win team next year.)
Being a bottom dweller last season was a choice. They get no extra credit for that.
 

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